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Future Nostalgia

I mean is there such difference between singles and promotional singles that the promotional single shouldn't be under singles? Someone can retract my editing if so. Qwerty21212121 (talk) 13:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Under the “Singles” section of other albums, promotional singles are usually not listed as singles. In fact, edit wars have started because promotional singles were listed as singles. Shrewd0307 (talk) 15:17, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

"Love Again"

"Love Again" samples White Woman's "Your Town". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/9346247/white-town-dua-lipa-sample-your-woman-love-again ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

It actually doesn't. "Your Woman" samples a song (by Al Bowlly), which White Town also sampled - see the lede and composition section in that page. The Billboard article you linked states: "..."Love Again", which features a 1930s Al Bowlly trumpet sample that was made extraordinarily popular after its use in White Town's 1997 alt-pop hit "Your Woman" + "While listeners may have instantly recalled White Town's hit upon hearing "Love Again", Mishra (White Town) notes that he was never contacted by Dua for its use -- since, technically speaking, the song was Al Bowlly’s first. However, he is aware that "Your Woman" brought the lovelorn trumpets to public consciousness". Hope this clarifies things for other users who add the "sample" back in the track list section. AshMusique (talk) 23:56, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@AshMusique, we shouldn't just be working off one source. Multiple reliable sources confirm that "Love Again" samples "Your Woman":

• Refinery29
• DIY
• The Independant
• The Line of Best Fit
• NME
• Idolator
• Billboard (another article)
• The Irish Times

Here are some sources that confirm BOTH songs are sampled:

• AllMusic
• Entertainment Weekly

Plus Lipa HERSELF confirmed that "Your Woman" is being sampled:

• Apple Music Liner Notes

So I Think I've made my point that both song's should be included in the sample credit. LOVI33 12:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

LOVI33 I understand your point, however, those are all sources with their own original research, whereas the Billboard article (the one you cited in the article) is an exclusive interview with White Town where he explicitly states Dua Lipa/Lipa's team did not contact him to clear any samples, which debunks any story citing that it was sampled from the White Town song, and which also means they sampled the same song White Town sampled - Al Bowlly's "My Woman", since songs have to be cleared for sample usage. Just because those sources say it samples the White Town track, doesn't mean it does - they most likely are only familiar with the White Town song, since it was way more popular and more recent than the actual sampled song, which belongs to Al Bowlly, and since Bowlly's song was first sampled and then became notable in White Town's "Your Woman", I can only assume that's why they attribute the sample to White Town. Concerning the quote by Lipa herself, she is most likely mistaken as well, for the same reasons I stated above - she actually says one of the producers thought of adding the sample, not herself, so herphaps she was/is unaware of the actual sample. Either way, Lipa saying that is not an official credit. AllMusic is also not a 100% reliable source. Once again, referencing the Billboard article, which states: "Love Again which features a 1930s Al Bowlly trumpet sample that was made extraordinarily popular after its use in White Town's 1997 alt-pop hit "Your Woman.", and furthermore "While listeners may have instantly recalled White Town's hit upon hearing "Love Again," Mishra notes that he was never contacted by Dua for its use -- since, technically speaking, the song was Al Bowlly's first. However, he is aware that "Your Woman" brought the lovelorn trumpets to public consciousness. Also, here is a tweet from White Town, aka Jyoti Mishra himself, stating that both his song and Lipa's song used the same sample. AshMusique (talk) 15:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 4 May 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. Doing buidhe 05:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Future Nostalgia (Dua Lipa album) → Future Nostalgia – WP:TWODABS. LOVI33 (talk) 01:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose — Considering there is a song of the album title (by the same artist) and another album under the same title, I don't believe it should be moved, however, reserve the right to change my stance following further input. livelikemusic talk! 14:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support. I think this is the primary topic. The song is not viewed even a fraction as much as the album it comes from, and the Sheepdogs album is so obscure as to be irrelevant to the discussion. Given that 99.9% of people searching Future Nostalgia probably want something Dua Lipa-related anyway, I think the album probably qualifies as WP:CONCEPTDAB also. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:14, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support – page views are a good reason to make this article the primary Future Nostalgia as this one is getting far more. Also, the Future Nostalgia song is also Dua Lipa and this can be done like what was done for Ariana Grande's Thank U, Next and Thank U, Next (song). MusicalTV (talk) 18:29, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support – As per Nohomersryan and Musical TV's comments above. By far the primary topic. The DAB page itself is even receiving 3 times more views than The Sheepdogs album article. Cool Marc ✉ 02:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Other pages with this name. It's not matter of how popular a single page is, as not everyone will be searching for that topic. 49.180.123.3 (talk) 04:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It can't be assumed that everyone will be searching for this version of the album not can it be assumed that they know about this version of the album oppose to the other.--2001:8003:3350:D500:88D8:E538:FFB1:ED0E (talk) 04:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support per page views. Obviously, this is the most popular page and it deserves to hold the primary-topic title. Hatnotes are there to direct to different pages if the reader is searching for something else. — Tom 10:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Unreal7 (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Like others are saying, there are other pages with this title. No point of over writing it with this page, when someone can be looking for something else.-- 2001:8003:3350:D500:F9FD:DD57:1235:5880 (talk) 04:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

 Administrator note Struck obviously 2nd vote from same anon editor. You only get to !vote once. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Support - by far the primary topic per pageviews. I have actually been visiting this article for a few days and been shocked that its disambiguated.--NØ 09:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Nohomersryan's response. KyleJoan 08:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support Since there’s no other album named “Future Nostalgia”, it would make sense that there is no need to put in brackets Dua Lipa Album after it. The song will just be put as “Future Nostalgia (song)” Shrewd0307 (talk) 15:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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Singles

Future Nostalgia is a single of the the album. First, it was released separately from the album with its own cover art. Second, it was serviced to radio on the date of its release. Third, there are reliable sources calling it a single. Here are the link to the sources: https://web.archive.org/web/20191213230745/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/dua-lipa-single-future-nostalgia-926610/

https://www.iheart.com/content/2019-12-14-dua-lipa-drops-sassy-retro-future-nostalgia-title-track-listen/

T WAL209 (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 24 July 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. (non-admin closure) — YoungForever 20:12, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Future Nostalgia → Future Nostalgia (album) – I suggest this page be moved provided so it can less confusion as the title single. Happypillsjr ✉ 16:50, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest speedily closing It looks like there was already a consensus a month or so ago, and nothing has changed. Respectfully, would suggest withdrawing the nomination. The album appears to be a clear primary topic, receiving an overwhelming percentage of the pageviews (like 95 percent), and with the majority of coverage from a search for the term focusing on the album over the song. But the hatnote up top should probably still include the song too.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:24, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Separately, if this does happen we'd want to include the artist name to distinguish from Future Nostalgia (The Sheepdogs album).--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Good faith nom, but there is no reason to discuss this again so soon. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - And suggest snow close. The album is by far the primary topic.--NØ 07:25, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – primary topic, getting way more page views than any other Future Nostalgia. LOVI33 12:38, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Obviously, the album is the primary topic. The title track is definitely less known. — Tom 20:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Levitating

@LOVI33: I do not think it is a single, nor does it say it in the reference. It will simply be a remix. As with Physical, Dua collaborated with Hwa Sa and they did a remix that ended in an EP called "Physical (Remixes)". In this case, Dua's collaboration with Madonna and the others singers will be included in the EP "Levitating (Remixes)" and the track will be called "Levitating (Blessed Madonna Remix)". Alexismata7 (talk) 20:48, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey Alexismata7, I don't know if your saw but I added a source that confirms it, plus I have an additional one here: . In the case with "Physical", it's remix was released after the official single release in order to further promote the single, like what all other Future Nostalgia singles have done. Personally, I would say it is unlikley that Lipa would release a remix to a song with very well known collaborators unless she was prepared to release it as a single. I guess it is open for discussion and we can see what others think. LOVI33 20:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I find it very strange, so happened with Physical that was rated as a single. I do not see the Levitating song promoting itself with a music video with Madonna and Missy Eliott, it seems to me more like a clue of all the remixes that Dua has released this quarantine like "Don't Start Now (Remixes)", "Physical (Remixes)" and "Break My Heart (Remixes)". What would happen next if Dua released the single with the authentic track along with its respective music video and artwork?. I honestly don't see any editor creating an article about "Levitating" and writing only about the remix version there. Alexismata7 (talk) 21:09, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@LOVI33: The reference you provide from Vulture refers to the song will be remixed by The Blessed Madonna. And what I see out is the media stir because Dua is collaborating with Madonna but I doubt it is a single. On the other hand, the second reference that you gave me from Metro is not accepted here on English Misplaced Pages because Metro is generally considered an unreliable source.Alexismata7 (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Alexismata7, firstly a music video in no way makes a song a single and the Don't Start Now remixes were released in January . The Vulture reference states Madonna and Missy Elliott, to remix her current single "Levitating.", confirming it's single status. LOVI33 21:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Tracklistings

Track listings, in my experience, have been formatted to keep from repeating songs. I've never known them to be in release order. That is what Release history is for. Whitevenom187 (talk) 14:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

They should be used in release order. Chronological order makes most sense. Also this notion of "not repeating songs" is confusing for the average reader. For example, Japan quite often gets its own single version which includes the songs from the deluxe edition plus extra bonus tracks. If you only list the "extra" bonus tracks, it makes it seem as if the deluxe and standard editions were also released in Japan. That makes no sense. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 10:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Listicles - Mid year lists

Two things:

1. "Listicles" - this is not commonly known lexicon or accessible/easily understood by readers. Should the section not be renamed?
2. "Mid-year lists" - there are a lot of "half year" or "so far" lists, some I'd argue which are of questionable notable. The publications themselves are notable but the lists aren't necessarily. Should these be included? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 12:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

1. Definitely. Terrible section name.
2. I usually include them, but not in chart form. There’s so much coverage for this subject that I wouldn’t oppose removal, but I’d probably move it to the prose and condense it into a sentence. ("Future Nostalgia was featured on the best of the year list for Rollong Stone,(ref) Entertainment Weekly,(ref), etc etc. Sergecross73 msg me 14:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Year end lists

The Year end lists section is becoming way too overlong... one has to scroll a lot to get to the end of the table. Could we hide it under a hide/show button, that I saw on other articles? (Like here: Dive Bar Tour (Lady Gaga)#Set lists) --5.38.148.118 (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done. LOVI33 17:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

 Undone per MOS:COLLAPSE. LOVI33 can I suggest that if the album isn't ranked, it is instead included in prose. Where it features on multiple editors for the same publication, again put in prose. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 22:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Lil-unique1,  Done. Also, do you think the one genre lists, like the pop lists should also be put into the prose? LOVI33 23:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 11 February 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. I already !voted but the nominator is withdrawing it and there are no supporting opinions here to continue the remaining days. (non-admin closure) (CC) Tbhotch 19:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Future Nostalgia → Future Nostalgia (Dua Lipa album) – There is at least one other album with the name "Future Nostalgia" by a different artist. There is also a song and tour of this name. Therefore WP:DAB suggestions that where there is a lack of primary topic and plausible other topics a dab page should be used. Future Nostalgia (disambiguation) should exist at Future Nostalgia. I believe previous discussions were tainted by the notion "Perhaps the most commonly rejected criterion is that the primary topic should only belong to what "first comes to mind". This argument is inevitably tainted by the personal background, location, biases, ethnicity, and other pieces of one's own life, but we are trying to build an encyclopedia that is untainted by systemic bias. The primary topic is therefore determined without regard to (for example) the national origin, if any, of the article or articles in question." ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. The existence of other topics with similar names doesn't prevent this from being the primary topic. I suggest you look at the prior RMs above for more background. -- Calidum 18:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The existence of other topics with a name doesn't mean there is no primary topic -- otherwise, there wouldn't be any reason for the concept of a primary topic at all! If there is some sort of evidence we should look at to reverse the two discussions with clear consensus from within the last 9 months please share, but otherwise the metrics continue to show an overwhelming primary topic.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, there is a clear primary topic. The other album was never relevant anyway. (CC) Tbhotch 19:43, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:NWFCTM would apply here in this case if I insisted Future Nostalgia (The Sheepdogs album) was the primary topic because me and all my friends are huge Sheepdogs fans, talk about that album all the time, and we've never heard of Dua Lipa. There is no systemic bias at play with the current setup, since it adheres to both facets of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, Honestly, The Sheepdogs album has little to no notability and should be deleted and considering every other "Future Nostalgia" related item is related to Lipa and this album, I would say this is definitely WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. LOVI33 01:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --Sricsi (talk) 14:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per comments above. — Tom 22:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• WP:SNOW Oppose - per all of the above.--NØ 05:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

^ I concur - since it's clear this is not supported, the move discussion should close WP:SNOW. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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Fever

I took a discussion to Template talk:Infobox album and I was told to bring a discussion here on whether "Fever" should be included in the infobox as a single. Although the template states that singles from re-releases shouldn't be included in the infobox, the song clearly promotes Future Nostalgia and the editor who responded to me suggested the the French edition was simple another release, not a re-release. Please read my further reasoning on Template talk:Infobox album and I'd love to hear what everyone thinks. LOVI33 02:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

• This discussion concluded against including singles that weren't part of the album on its release day in the infobox. The only thing that could be argued is if its the lead single from the Moonlight Edition, for which I don't have an opinion.--NØ 07:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

• "We're Good" is clearly the lead single for the re-issue. I don't personally care for the current consensus - I think it was written/decided pre-digital/streaming era and therefore doesn't reflect modern release and marketing campaigns. That said, there has to be some clear principles and I don't personally have the energy to fight for change on it. The existing guidance makes sense to a degree... ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 16:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

• "Fever" is definitely not the lead single of the Moonlight Edition. It was released on the French edition before The Moonlight Edition's release and I doubt that Lipa's marketing team would make an exclusive single its lead one. Thats why I was attempting to have its placement in the Future Nostalgia infobox as it does promote the album, it just wasn't apart of its standard edition. The existing guidelines do make sense as nowadays, standalone singles are added on the end of albums to increase sales when in no way are they apart of the album campaign. I'm just saying that I think there should be some exceptions to these rules and "Fever" is definitely one. Lil-unique1, do you know any steps I could take to change the rules? LOVI33 20:46, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Love Again

"Love Again" appears to have been played on a French radio station at 14:34 today: , though I can't find an explicit mention of today being the impact date.--NØ 15:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

It was mentioned here too. We should wait for specific date. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 15:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, there's this tweet by a French journalist where he says that the song "has just been sent to French radio". I guess it means that it was sent to radio today. It was also played on Fun Radio this morning. Mirliz (talk) 16:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I notice it's been added to the article about the song that 11 March is the single date but it seems dubious- none of the articles actually say that's the date it's been released. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 00:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Moonlight Edition Producers Not Listed

Don't discuss the article on my talk page. Talk here. Do not credit Tainy's song with Bad Bunny and J Balvin of having multiple album appearances, when it had only 1. Also, do not revert edits unless a specific link is provided backing up the claims you have. Worried you have WP:COI since you reverted the proper edit detailing that "Un Día" had more than 1 album appearance multiple times. You have not provided any specific link saying anything other than Tainy's J Balvin's backup producer for a single track. Sucker for All (talk) 21:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@LOVI33 and Sucker for All: Pings in section titles don't go through. As well, COI is a very serious allegation, you shouldn't be throwing it all willy-nilly around because someone reinstated something in an article more than once. A COI is when someone knows the subject of the article in some aspect of life, whether that's through family, friends, work, etc. Besides, LOVI33 was right. "Un Dia" was also included on J Balvin's Summer Vacation, as said in the first paragraph of Un Dia (One Day), so saying it was only included on The Moonlight Edition would be giving undue weight to Lipa where equal weight is due between Lipa and Balvin. D🐶ggy54321 21:17, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Just to add on to what Doggy54321 said but I didn't realize you also added that. The only reason I have been reverting your edits is because you keep removing Tainy from the the infobox under producers and his place in the personnel section even though I have mentioned multiple times that he is credited on both Tidal and the liner notes of Future Nostalgia: The Moonlight Edition. LOVI33 21:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't appreciate my telling LOVI to discuss in the talk page and then see reverts within 6 minutes on the main page without a single discussion here. Additionally, LOVI's profile's *obsessed* with Dua, so while I do WP:AGF, the list of producers on Moonlight Edition was wildly incomplete until the edit I just made, so I question why this user's making rapid reverts rather than improving the article. Tainy was only ever involved on 1 Dua Lipa track, and Balvin was lead producer of it Sucker for All (talk) 21:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Stop removing the lead producers of Moonlight Edition from Moonlight Edition. Sucker for All (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sucker for All: I don't know why you say that. I just have my good articles listed which happen to be all of hers as I am an active member of her wikiproject. When it comes to reissues, only producers for new tracks are credited in infoboxes and again you removed Tainy without a valid reason. I have given you sources where Tainy is credited while you just simply say he is not a lead producer without a source. That is why I reverted your edit. I mentioned that in the edit summary so I assumed that you would see it. I don't normally come to the talk page for simple explanation when I can just do it in the summery. LOVI33 21:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

All lead producers of tracks are given notoriety first, regardless of whether they were involved in the adaptation. J Balvin was the lead producer of his own track. Tainy didn't release the song on his own, so it's just a fact that he isn't lead producer. He had significantly less to do with the album than the other producers now correctly listed Sucker for All (talk) 21:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's a bit hypocritical, considering you keep removing one of the lead producers of Moonlight Edition from Moonlight Edition. If you would look at the Tidal source in the article, you would see that Balvin and Tainy are both credited as lead producers, both showing up under the "producer" field. We want to stick to the the source, so unless you can find a reliable source that says that Tainy should not be credited as such, they should either both be added or both be removed. Moving on, you're getting COI (conflict of interest) confused with SPA (single-purpose account). While I'm not saying that LOVI is either, if you're basing the accusation off of the fact that they are obsessed with Dua, you're describing a single-purpose account. D🐶ggy54321 21:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sucker for All: you are confusing me a lot. There was only one version of "Un Dia" where both Balvin and Tainy are credited as producers. Can you provide a source that backs up that Tainy shouldn't be credited? LOVI33 21:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm sorry, but that's blatant original research. Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn are still credited as producers on "August", even though Jack Antonoff's name was listed first per the source used for the credits. Also, J, Dua, Tainy and Bad Bunny are all credited equally as lead artists of the song, so it is not J's track any more than it is Tainy's. D🐶ggy54321 21:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Just to reiterate for the both of you, once something is under discussion, there shouldn't be any subsequent edits on the topic of the discussion until consensus has been made. Knowing this, please stop making edits to the page regarding this matter, as that would still be edit warring and would defeat the purpose of the discussion. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 21:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Doggy54321:, it is Not hypocritical to delete the 2nd producer on a track from being credited with producing the moonlight edition album in its entirety. At a baseline, all the lead producers for the album, including the lead producers of the original songs, should be credited. Tainy's Never the first producer credited on that song and has Not released the song of his own accord, so the song's lead producer, J Balvin's the owner of the track, in addition to Dua and maybe Bad Bunny, who both sing. Taylor and Joe helped Jack produce that track. The track's Jack. I did not remove Tainy from having a role on the song. He did, but the role was quite minimal. Sucker for All (talk) 03:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sucker for All: Hypocritical or not, this still brings me back to my original point that all you're saying is original research. I have provided a source saying that J Balvin and Tainy are equal producers who have the exact same role with the exact same importance, so if you want to contest that, it's now your job to provide a source that says that only J was involved with the production. Once again, Dua, J, Tainy and Bad Bunny all equally own the track, as they are all credited as lead artists. It doesn't matter who sings or not, it matters what the sources say, and the sources say they are all lead artists. D🐶ggy54321 12:21, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@LOVI33:, all your edits run you the risk of being labeled a WP:SPA with the way you hound this page. Tons of reverts without discussion. And the statement you make "Only producers of new tracks belong in a reissue's infobox" is rather bullshit. The new track couldn't be produced if not for the original. I'd love to sample Michael Jackson's "Bad", change a few things, and call myself lead producer of the track, but that isn't reality. Sucker for All (talk) 03:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sucker for All: I don't know why you say I "hound" this page. The only reverts I have made in the last month are you, vandalism and a WP:SOCK. I have barely been adding to this article anyways because I have been working on making Lipa's debut album a good topic. Not that its any of your business, but I often review good article nominations and I sometimes contribute to discussions outside of this topic. The only things I really revert on this page of what, to me seems like vandalism. Your edits seemed like vandalism to me as you kept removing the credits of a sourced producer. As for whether producers of original tracks belong in the infobox, that is just what I have been told being on[REDACTED] for a while. Anyways, I don't have the energy to defend myself against things I have not done nor collaborate with someone who accuses me of that. I think it is best that this discussion closes unless you can find a source to back up your WP:OR. LOVI33 12:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

You're accusing me of WP:OR? If I use another person's production, I cannot claim that I own that person's song and not add them as a producer. And yes, I like hounds, unless they claim that pretty lights is allowed to claim nightmares on wax isn't a producer of "finally moving". Still, not one source lists Tainy's name as a *Lead* producer, that's J Balvin. Sucker for All (talk) 22:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Sucker for All please stop removing Tainy. I have explained several times that Tainy is credited as a lead producer by several sources including Tidal and Spotify, that latter of which gets in information from Sony Music Publishing and Warner Records. Also, in this interview, Tainy explains how he produced the song. Finally, only Tainy is credited as a lead producer in the liner notes of Future Nostalgia: The Moonlight Edition indicating that he deserves even more of a lead producer credit than J Balvin. Also, I am not accusing of original research, I know you are using it. You cannot provide a source that backs up that one "cannot claim that I own that person's song and not add them as a producer", let alone provide one that it applies to this particular song. Even if you could provide a source to back up this claim, considering Tainy is credited in the liner notes, probably the most reliable for credits, he should still be credited. Your edits will continue to be reverted and again, I do not hound this page, I revert vandalism and original research. LOVI33 00:24, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Your TIDAL link's broken, and your Spotify link shows nothing. It's not uncommon for an artist to claim that they were more involved in a project than reality. Your liner notes claim isn't backed up by a link, and that quote had to do with you deleting other producers from the album and had nothing to do with Tainy. Since all links list Balvin first, Tainy's not a lead producer; it's WP:OR to claim otherwise Sucker for All (talk) 02:01, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Since you can't access either source, I went to both, and I can confirm that J Balvin and Tainy are both listed under the "producer" heading. The liner notes don't need a link, as sources can be from anywhere, as long as they can be checked by someone other than yourself. Tidal and Spotify are pretty reliable with their credits, so I don't think the liner notes will make a difference. Also: saying that, for a producer to be a lead producer, they need to be listed first is completely false. Even if it was true, there are thousands of pages that list all producers as lead producers, so I don't get why you're stuck on that "fact" when it is completely not true. At this point, neither you nor LOVI and I are ready to back down, so I think we should start a request for comment about this, so multiple editors can comment, and we can come to a formal consensus. D🐶ggy54321 02:21, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Doggy54321 I was just about to suggest that. I'm gonna start one right now. LOVI33 02:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

@LOVI33: Awesome! I'll be ready to notify relevant WikiProjects so we can get as many opinions as possible. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 02:28, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Rfc - Tainy's producer credit

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For this rfc, we are hoping to reach a consensus on whether Tainy should be listed as a producer for Future Nostalgia: The Moonlight Edition. LOVI33 02:41, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

To add to what LOVI33 said, we are looking for a consensus as to if Tainy and J Balvin both deserve equal producer credits for the song "Un Dia (One Day)" (track 19 of The Moonlight Edition) or not. Please see the above section for more info. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 02:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Votes

• Should be credited: Tainy is credited as a lead producer for track 19, "Un Dia (One Day)" by Tidal, Spotify, and the album liner notes. He is credited as a producer alongside J Balvin for all sources excluding the latter, where Tainy is only credited. LOVI33 02:45, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

TIDAL Link's broken. Spotify link lists Tainy last, so not lead producer. Qobuz only lists J Balvin and doesn't list Tainy at all. Only lead producers are credited as album producers; however, as per my latest edit of the article, Tainy's credited with support on the track in question. Sucker for All (talk) 04:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Please do not WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. The Tidal link is fine, Qobuz lists them both. D🐶ggy54321 12:45, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

TIDAL link does not work for mobile. Please WP:AGF. I am having a discussion backed by logic, and I suggest you do the same. Also Qobuz only lists Balvin per imgur below. All of your links only verify my points. Tainy's never listed first. Sucker for All (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, it is irrelevant whether a source lists one person before another. Both are crdited nonetheless. Should every song only have one producer? LOVI33 13:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The first producer listed is considered the *lead* producer. There's always a lead producer for a track. Sucker for All (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Should be credited: per LOVI33's comment above, and also the fact that sources have seemed to decide that they are both producers, with one source even going as far to only list Tainy. D🐶ggy54321 02:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

According to Qobuz, https://imgur.com/a/xVzAN0W , only J Balvin is listed Sucker for All (talk) 04:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Qobuz lists them both, LOVI says the liner notes only list Tainy as a producer. D🐶ggy54321 12:45, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Just to add but Sucker for All said above that Tainy shouldn't be credited because he is listed last by the sources, however, on Qobuz he is listed first. The way Qobuz lists their credits is kind of weird so I wil explain it. Basically, they list the person's name credit followed by what they did (writer, producer, etc.) separated by commas. The dashes are used to separate the names. LOVI33 13:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Can someone take a screencap for the thing they see from Qobuz. The imgur posted above is the exact thing I see. Only Balvin's listed according to Qobuz. Sucker for All (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Should not be listed , per comments above. Tainy never appears as lead producer. Despite claims that "sources" show otherwise, all links provided do not back up the arguments. Sucker for All (talk) 04:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
• Should be credited per LOVI33's reasoning. @Sucker for All: what did you find was broken about the Tidal link? Looks like it worked just fine on my end. QuietHere (talk) 11:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The link just didn't work on mobile. Lists J Balvin first though. Sucker for All (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Should be credited, the Tidal source works fine for me and Tainy is listed. I really never use Qobuz (and it seems no one else does either), so I feel like Spotify and Tidal are better sources. versacespaceleave a message! 11:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Was using mobile. I see that the TIDAL link shows Tainy listed second under producer, meaning he is not a lead producer. Also Qobuz was not a link added by me, yet it shows only Balvin listed under the track. Sucker for All (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

New vote needed here. I believe things are not properly explained here. Tainy is in fact currently credited in my version of the page edit. He is a supporting producer for the song and is credited as not only that, but also as one of the people involved in the one track in question. This discussion has to do with whether or not he should be lisetd in the header for the album given that he's never the first producer credited. I implore QuietHere and VersaceSpace to consider if everyone who is a supporting producer on a single track should be considered a "lead producer" in the header of the album. This would create a glut in the header of every album.. Sucker for All (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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