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::Again, climate change denial is well noted, hence I included it in option B, but the board's other scientific denials were decades old and not well noted. A single book written 11 years ago on those other occasional claims made 26+ years ago or 31+ years ago are not noteworthy. Numerous studies have analyzed US News and World Report's accuracy on its college rankings, which it is well known for... Yet that criticism isn't mentioned in the lead, even though it has multiple paragraphs in the body. US News and World Report college rankings are far more well known than the WSJ Editorial articles on acid rain, second hand smoking, etc., so I see no reason why this article should include decades old criticisms that are never noted besides a tiny number of academics. ] (]) 19:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC) ::Again, climate change denial is well noted, hence I included it in option B, but the board's other scientific denials were decades old and not well noted. A single book written 11 years ago on those other occasional claims made 26+ years ago or 31+ years ago are not noteworthy. Numerous studies have analyzed US News and World Report's accuracy on its college rankings, which it is well known for... Yet that criticism isn't mentioned in the lead, even though it has multiple paragraphs in the body. US News and World Report college rankings are far more well known than the WSJ Editorial articles on acid rain, second hand smoking, etc., so I see no reason why this article should include decades old criticisms that are never noted besides a tiny number of academics. ] (]) 19:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
* '''Neither.''' The prior sentence is enough--the "conservative" label broadly implies that the editorial board has a history of prioritizing business interests over the environment. Any additional characterization risks giving disproportionate attention to what should be considered a separate division of the newspaper. The Wall Street Journal is a newspaper of record which publishes high quality news stories, like the Washington Post and the New York Times are. Sometimes they publish kooky opinion pieces, just like the Washington Post and the New York Times do. I'm reminded of when Jon Stewart chided Tucker Carlson for suggesting Stewart was shirking his journalistic duties by reminding us that the show before his featured puppets making prank phone calls. Misplaced Pages doesn't need to make it even harder for those poor souls who are at risk of conflating the opinion and reporting divisions of the press enterprise by attempting to characterize an immense amount of deliberately opinionated pieces that span generations of careers as a defining feature of the newspaper. I'm not saying that none of this belongs in the article, but it definitely has no place in the lede. I can't even find coverage of Bret Stephen's recent pro-Ashkenazi racial supremacy masterpiece on Misplaced Pages's New York Times page, let alone its lede. That the same lede standard isn't being applied to the Misplaced Pages pages of other newpapers of record is a telling sign that something is fundamentally wrong here. ] (]) 22:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC) * '''Neither.''' The prior sentence is enough--the "conservative" label broadly implies that the editorial board has a history of prioritizing business interests over the environment. Any additional characterization risks giving disproportionate attention to what should be considered a separate division of the newspaper. The Wall Street Journal is a newspaper of record which publishes high quality news stories, like the Washington Post and the New York Times are. Sometimes they publish kooky opinion pieces, just like the Washington Post and the New York Times do. I'm reminded of when Jon Stewart chided Tucker Carlson for suggesting Stewart was shirking his journalistic duties by reminding us that the show before his featured puppets making prank phone calls. Misplaced Pages doesn't need to make it even harder for those poor souls who are at risk of conflating the opinion and reporting divisions of the press enterprise by attempting to characterize an immense amount of deliberately opinionated pieces that span generations of careers as a defining feature of the newspaper. I'm not saying that none of this belongs in the article, but it definitely has no place in the lede. I can't even find coverage of Bret Stephen's recent pro-Ashkenazi racial supremacy masterpiece on Misplaced Pages's New York Times page, let alone its lede. That the same lede standard isn't being applied to the Misplaced Pages pages of other newpapers of record is a telling sign that something is fundamentally wrong here. ] (]) 22:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
* '''A (current version).''' There are plenty of academic and journalistic sources that refer to this - I'll refer to some soon when I'm less busy ] (]) 05:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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Removed political stance in opening paragraph, aligned with other "Newspapers of Record".

The New York Times article does not list the paper as leaning conservative or liberal in the opening paragraph, and the general consensus from that page's discussion is that such statements should not be included there. As this page is also indicated and linked as a "Newspaper of Record" for the United States, it should follow the same format to create neutrality. Discussions of editorial bias should be limited to that section. Similarly the references provided regarding the WSJ's editorial stances in the opening paragraph are other newspaper editorials (e.g. from the New York Times) that are implying bias based upon user interpretations of issues involved. The statement on scientific consensus is also a direct repeat of content discussed later on in the article and does not reflect a major description or characteristic of the subject. 108.41.176.126 (talk) 22:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

RFC consensus concluded that the WSJ editorial page crackpots' anti-science stances should be covered in the lead. What other pages do is irrelevant per WP:OTHER. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
A quote from the WP:OTHER essay that you linked to: "it is important to realize that countering the keep or delete arguments of other people, or dismissing them outright, by simply referring them to this essay by name, and nothing else, is not encouraged." Another quote: "These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid."
Personally I think you can make a case for including it in the lead, but it does concern me that criticism is mentioned in this lead, but not in the lead of the NY Times article. It wouldn't be hard to find NY Times editorials that disagree with the consensus of economists, and that's just one example. In sum I think the lead of this article isn't terrible, but raises some valid concerns that shouldn't be rejected out of hand. Proxyma (talk) 18:05, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

RfC on Editorial Board Scientific Claims in the Lead

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Which of the following options should the lead of the article contain:

A (current) The Journal editorial board has promoted views that differ from the scientific consensus on climate change, acid rain, and ozone depletion, as well as on the health harms of second-hand smoke, pesticides and asbestos.
B (revised) The Journal editorial board has promoted views that differ from the scientific consensus on climate change.

Bill Williams (talk) 19:22, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

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  • B (revised) The sources regarding the board's views on climate change are much more recent, and therefore that portion can stay included. On the other hand, the opinions regarding acid rain and ozone depletion are based on 31+ year old articles, even though the board stated its changed opinion on acid rain, the source regarding second-hand smoke mentions an article from 26 years ago, and so on. These opinions have changed or are irrelevant today as they have not been mentioned in the sources for decades, and therefore do not warrant inclusion in the article. Simply googling "Wall Street Journal" "editorial board" "asbestos" or "pesticides" doesn't even come up with a single criticism other than the Misplaced Pages article. How does that warrant its noteworthy inclusion in the lead? The New York Post's Misplaced Pages article lead does not say that it has a "liberal slant" just because it did 40+ years ago, because their opinion has changed, as stated later in the body. The Washington Examiner's Misplaced Pages article lead does not mention the newspaper's climate change and its scientific inaccuracies, but it is stated in the body. In fact, neither of these Misplaced Pages articles, nor the ones for The New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, or numerous other newspapers, even mentions their editorial boards in the lead, much less decades old criticisms. Bill Williams (talk) 19:13, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • A (current version). This is content with long-term encyclopedic value. The point of the text is not to highlight where the WSJ stands on issues in 2021 but to highlight a persistent historical pattern of promoting science disinformation and pseudoscience in the editorial pages, usually in service of right-wing causes and corporate interests. The WSJ editorial board plays a prominent role in the book Merchants of Doubt by Naomi Oreskes, Professor of the History of Science at Harvard University, and Erik M. Conway, historian of science at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology, not just for its role in pushing disinformation about climate change, but for having used the exact same playbook to push disinformation about acid rain, ozone depletion, second-hand smoke, pesticides and asbestos over the past decades. Why doesn't the USA Today page say similar things? For the simple reason that the USA Today has not been the focus of academic studies into scientific misinformation, unlike the WSJ. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Again, climate change denial is well noted, hence I included it in option B, but the board's other scientific denials were decades old and not well noted. A single book written 11 years ago on those other occasional claims made 26+ years ago or 31+ years ago are not noteworthy. Numerous studies have analyzed US News and World Report's accuracy on its college rankings, which it is well known for... Yet that criticism isn't mentioned in the lead, even though it has multiple paragraphs in the body. US News and World Report college rankings are far more well known than the WSJ Editorial articles on acid rain, second hand smoking, etc., so I see no reason why this article should include decades old criticisms that are never noted besides a tiny number of academics. Bill Williams (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Neither. The prior sentence is enough--the "conservative" label broadly implies that the editorial board has a history of prioritizing business interests over the environment. Any additional characterization risks giving disproportionate attention to what should be considered a separate division of the newspaper. The Wall Street Journal is a newspaper of record which publishes high quality news stories, like the Washington Post and the New York Times are. Sometimes they publish kooky opinion pieces, just like the Washington Post and the New York Times do. I'm reminded of when Jon Stewart chided Tucker Carlson for suggesting Stewart was shirking his journalistic duties by reminding us that the show before his featured puppets making prank phone calls. Misplaced Pages doesn't need to make it even harder for those poor souls who are at risk of conflating the opinion and reporting divisions of the press enterprise by attempting to characterize an immense amount of deliberately opinionated pieces that span generations of careers as a defining feature of the newspaper. I'm not saying that none of this belongs in the article, but it definitely has no place in the lede. I can't even find coverage of Bret Stephen's recent pro-Ashkenazi racial supremacy masterpiece on Misplaced Pages's New York Times page, let alone its lede. That the same lede standard isn't being applied to the Misplaced Pages pages of other newpapers of record is a telling sign that something is fundamentally wrong here. 2600:1012:B04F:711:3971:DA61:CCA5:D5FE (talk) 22:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • A (current version). There are plenty of academic and journalistic sources that refer to this - I'll refer to some soon when I'm less busy Noteduck (talk) 05:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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