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| :Please read the article - it is just much about the people as its about the geographical area. Sogdia was also a geographical region indeed, but 'Sogdian' is exclusively referred to the people that actually were ethnic Sogdians, a people with their own language, culture, and whatnot. Please show a source that uses Sogdian as a geographical term, and not an ethnic one - which also goes for claims that Avicenna or a Greek king like Antiochus are Sogdians. All in all, this is pure ]. Also, please be nice, this is not okay . Neither is your continued edit warring - you have to reach ]. --] (]) 20:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC) | :Please read the article - it is just much about the people as its about the geographical area. Sogdia was also a geographical region indeed, but 'Sogdian' is exclusively referred to the people that actually were ethnic Sogdians, a people with their own language, culture, and whatnot. Please show a source that uses Sogdian as a geographical term, and not an ethnic one - which also goes for claims that Avicenna or a Greek king like Antiochus are Sogdians. All in all, this is pure ]. Also, please be nice, this is not okay . Neither is your continued edit warring - you have to reach ]. --] (]) 20:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
| ::No man, that would be an article about the Sogdian people, which may be created one day. But this is an article about the civilisation and the geographical area. I really don't understand why you are fretting about this. I even changed the section's title to appease your nitpicking (though I don't it was necessary, because the meaning of "Sogdians" in "notable Sogdian" in this article must be clear, and because Iranians from Sogdia, well, were "Sogdians").--] (]) 21:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
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"Persian" vs. Iranian deities
@Aryzad:, can you explain what your objection to the use of "Persian" for these deities is based on? The article linked to is Persian mythology; furthermore, "Persian" and "Iranian" are largely synonymous, as far as I know. My only concern is consistency.--Ermenrich (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Hi there. Both "Persian" and "Iranian" can be used to refer, for example, the Safavids or Sassanids; But not here. Calling those deities "Persian" is like calling Sogdian language an Eastern Persian language, which is wrong. When Zoroastrianization of Persis (Persia proper) took place, the Sogdians were Zoroastrian for centuries. Aryzad (talk) 18:51, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Is there any article or a book that you are aware of that discusses the Persianization of the Iranian people and the development of the Persian language as a result of interaction of other Iranian languages? Hiesen2 (talk) 16:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
List of notable people from Sogdia
Hi User:HistoryofIran, as I explained, the article is about the geographical area and Iranian civilisation, whose culture and language survived until the late 10th century Because the article, and the list, are not about an ethnic group or nation (which Sogdia never was) it is perfectly legit to include, e.g., Avicenna and the others you deleted in the listof "notable people from Sogdia", viz. notable "Sogdians". Consider also that this is an article about an ancient civilisation and that is simply a list. So, at any rate, I don't understand why fussing over this.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the article - it is just much about the people as its about the geographical area. Sogdia was also a geographical region indeed, but 'Sogdian' is exclusively referred to the people that actually were ethnic Sogdians, a people with their own language, culture, and whatnot. Please show a source that uses Sogdian as a geographical term, and not an ethnic one - which also goes for claims that Avicenna or a Greek king like Antiochus are Sogdians. All in all, this is pure WP:OR. Also, please be nice, this is not okay . Neither is your continued edit warring - you have to reach WP:CONSENSUS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- No man, that would be an article about the Sogdian people, which may be created one day. But this is an article about the civilisation and the geographical area. I really don't understand why you are fretting about this. I even changed the section's title to appease your nitpicking (though I don't it was necessary, because the meaning of "Sogdians" in "notable Sogdian" in this article must be clear, and because Iranians from Sogdia, well, were "Sogdians").--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 21:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)