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| I have unprotected and blanked this talk page after a very polite email from the user. | |||
| unblock|Request Unblock : So, can everyone that sides with user:miracleimpulse on the sweetest day page issue expect to be "infinitely" blocked from wikipedia? Am I experiencing a malicious block that is a result of admins attempting to manufacture consensus? I'm beginning to wonder.. Do not call newcomers disparaging names such as "sockpuppet" or "meatpuppet". If a lot of newcomers show up on one side of a vote, you should make them feel welcome while explaining that their votes may be disregarded. No name-calling is necessary.|decline=Contributions and immediate focus are way to similar to ], which would make this an ].—] (]) 09:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Checkuser seems to have shown that this user is not a sockpuppet account, and he seems (based on his email) very likely to behave perfectly well going forward. I will chat with him about the Sweetest Day issue to make sure he understands our policies. | |||
| As a good faith gesture, I am unblocking. This user is under no special protection from me, but should be treated as any other newbie.--] 06:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi. Just a comment: ordinary editors and admins don't have access to logged-in users' IP addresses per Misplaced Pages privacy policy. Only a very select few would be able to look at your IP address to see if it is shared with other editors. Just making sure you know that. ] 04:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've contacted the blocking admin for comment. In the meantime, please bear with us, and thanks for your patience. ] 07:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''Welcome!''' | |||
| ] is definitely '''not''' a sock puppet. JzG owes him a <big>'''big wikipology'''</big>. ] 08:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and ] to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: | |||
| Are we really having such a hard time with determining that I am not the user you're accusing me of being? Is it really so hard to believe that I agree with him, and am otherwise unaffiliated? Can you really justify a blanket indefinite ban as a result of a single post that agrees with another user? I'm totally amazed honestly. | |||
| And how can you possibly say that I'm using complex[REDACTED] procedures and must therefore be a sock puppet? Me signing one post incorrectly is what started this mess to begin with. Someone please submit this issue to an impartial admin with actual authority. IP addresses must be reviewed in order to clear this up. I'm not user:Miracleimpulse, but I do agree with his viewpoint. That is all. | |||
| ] 16:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I've left a message on the admin noticeboard to see if another admin would be willing to review the situation. I will also say that when you start off posting with a distinct lack of ] as you did in your point 3 of the post at ] you can't expect people to be overly willing to go out of their way to extend ] to you.--] 20:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Still not unbanned, still not a sockpuppet. Oh the injustice of it all... | |||
| And in point 3 of my post, I didn't make any assumptions at all. I only posted what it looked like to me. The post in question asked specifically for an outside opinion and I gave it. Sorry if you found it offensive! | |||
| ] 04:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I love how theres some kind of "wiki-trial" going against me here.. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/miracleimpulse | |||
| ..and I can't even post on it in my own defense because I'm banned. | |||
| ] 14:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Oh, I can't post on the admin board either. | |||
| ] 14:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :''"Who exactly sits in front of their computer and mashes f5 while looking at an article about such a seemingly insignificant holiday? People with stake in said holiday, thats who."'' I'd say that is an assumption on your part and not a ]. It has nothing to do with being offensive, it's simply is jumping to an conclusion; and in this case an incorrect one... and the outside opinion I was looking for was on ]'s disruptive actions surrounding several articles and debates here, not on the article content which I think has a pretty good consensus and it has been strongly demonstrated several times now that the version of the article ] favors is too reliant on ] and draws far too many conclusions not supported by the sources thus far provided.--] 14:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :One more thing... Sockpuppet investigations tend to take a long time... I initiated one near the beginning of November and it still has not been undertaken yet. There is a faster method that could be done if it is accepted and I'd be willing to initiate it on your behalf, because I suspect you are not actually ]. Before I do that though I'd like you to confirm something. This has no bearing on whether I'll help you or not (if you ask me to I will initiate the process), but it will help me with said process. | |||
| :From the looks of it, you logged in as ] and made your post to ], then logged out and pasted the same post to the Admin Noticebard from your IP. That IP had earlier corrected a spelling error by ], an account with only one edit. This would circumstantially seem to suggest that ] is an earlier account that you used at one point, but then later created ] and are no longer editing from ]. This would '''not''' be a ] violation if these are both your accounts since you are not actively editing from both, but if they are both your accounts, they resolve to the same IP, and you state that here before I initiate the process it goes a long way towards establishing that you are telling the truth (and if they are not both your accounts, you state that , and they resolve to different IPs that is fine to). Either way it is going to help your request to go on record here. Can you confirm or deny this?--] 15:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| They are in fact both my accounts. I'd honestly forgotten I created the earlier one. (As I said, I've been watching this article for quite a while). As to the logout, I had closed out wikipedia, and reopened it. My browser settings logged me out upon closing it, and I didn't realize it. It was my intention to post the same comment in both places with the newly created account. Any assistance you might offer me would be greatly appreciated. | |||
| And my original post was meant to convey that I don't feel that user: Miracleimpulse's contributions to the sweetest day page constitute original research. Every contribution Miracleimpulse has made has been previously published, and I still find his contributions to be valuable. If anything, the appeal of his contributions is his neutral presentation. The information, while somewhat condemning, speaks for itself. This is why I feel the need to advocate it, and why I support its inclusion in the[REDACTED] article. | |||
| This is just my opinion, I have no intention of editing the article in question at this point, as I have no new information to contribute. I only posted my support on a forum, as I must always advocate the truth, especially on Misplaced Pages. | |||
| ] 15:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] 15:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, I will initiate a checkuser, which should clear this up. | |||
| :On a seperate note, the problem is that every contribution ] has made has not been previously published. If you go back and look through the history of the ] article to the version that he was reposting there, it was full of ] insomuch as sections of the text he put into the article were original ideas & conclusions that were not published anywhere else. If you look at the current version of the article, it states exactly what can be ] based on the sources that exist at this time. Somewhere in the archives of the page is a line by line analysis of ]'s version of the article that shows exactly why so much of it is ] or reliant on false syllogisms. The other parts of the text that were removed were long tracts that didn't add anything to the overall article; it was trivial information. The sources ] brought to the article are valuable and they are included in the current version. What isn't valuable is his insistance of ], edit warring, ]-making, and other disruptive behavior he has brought to the article as well. One of the core principles of Misplaced Pages is ] which states '''verifiability not truth''' and the problem is that the "truth" about Sweetest Day is still indeterminate based on the sources so far uncovered.--] 16:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Checkuser== | |||
| I've opened a checkuser request on your behalf ].--] 16:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you! | |||
| ] 17:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Accusation of sockpuppetry withdrawn == | |||
| Meisterchef, I've withdrawn the sockpuppetry accusation against this account and ], although my suspicion continues that you and miracleimpulse are in fact the same person operating different accounts. Further explanation may be found on the ] of the erstwhile accusation. On the chance that you actually are not a sockpuppet, then may your future activities here attract far less intrigue. —] 19:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Well, thats lovely and all.. but I'm still banned indefinitely. Your accusation, withdrawn or not, was a secondary issue. The primary issue here is that an admin indefinitely banned me without a second thought, or investigation, PRIOR to you opening some sort of bogus preceeding against me or the other user. He violated wikipedia's own rules to do away with me, because my opinion differed from his. I've never even edited a page! I expressed my opinion exactly once, and not only did an administrator ban me immediately, and another support it, but several editors even jumped on board after the fact and created some bogus tribunal to lend credibility to it. Both of the administrators in question have been very active in editing the page in question, and therefore they cannot possibly be considered impartial. | |||
| One person looking at one IP log is all it's going to take to determine that I am my own entity, but it has yet to happen. Why is this being allowed to stand? Who polices the police of wikipedia? | |||
| This is rediculous, and I'm over it. | |||
| ] 16:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| '''Your request to be unblocked''' has been '''granted''' for the following reason(s): | |||
| <br><br>Per the results of ], the withdrawal of ], and the ], I've unblocked this account. Please accept my apologies in this matter -- as is often lamented in the "real world," the wheels of justice move slowly. | |||
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Latest revision as of 06:36, 3 November 2021
I have unprotected and blanked this talk page after a very polite email from the user.
Checkuser seems to have shown that this user is not a sockpuppet account, and he seems (based on his email) very likely to behave perfectly well going forward. I will chat with him about the Sweetest Day issue to make sure he understands our policies.
As a good faith gesture, I am unblocking. This user is under no special protection from me, but should be treated as any other newbie.--Jimbo Wales 06:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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