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{{ping|Pbritti}} I'm not the one arguing here, you are. And I haven't edited that article ever. So think before making an allegation. ] (]) 16:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC) {{ping|Pbritti}} I'm not the one arguing here, you are. And I haven't edited that article ever. So think before making an allegation. ] (]) 16:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Qaumrambista}} Wait, are you the one who first started this conversation here on this talk page? ~ ] (]) 16:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC) :{{ping|Qaumrambista}} Wait, are you the one who first started this conversation here on this talk page? ~ ] (]) 16:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Stop this non sense {{ping|Pbritti}} ] (]) 16:30, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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good start

good start of an article, now needs revision by native English speaker who is member of Church. Apart from style, various inconsistancies. Eg. is Nestorian rite used or not? is Shliha in Mar Thoma Shliha the same as in Mar Bartholomeo Sleeha? etc --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Plus, I'm looking through Major Feasts. Pentecost is not on a fixed date. Neither is the Ascension, and why use Syriac Iso' Misiha instead of Jesus Christ? etc--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 18:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Because the community uses Iso' Misiha and not the wester rite English name Jesus. There is no native English speaking members as this is not a Western rite church. Sleeha means apostolate and Thoma is the syriac Malayalam for Thomas which. Bartholomew and Thomas are different apostolate --User:amalfra (talk) Saturday, September 5, 2020 (IST) —Preceding undated comment added 12:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I recommend talking to clergy for references.Manabimasu (talk) 16:27, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 3 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 01:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


Syro-Malabar Catholic Church → Syro-Malabar Church – The term is WP:Concise,WP:COMMONhere, and the website contains the naming too http://www.syromalabarchurch.in/, so the name is official . There is no naming convention so any naming should be based on Misplaced Pages policy. Manabimasu (talk) 03:06, 3 September 2020 (UTC);Manabimasu (talk) 13:26, 3 September 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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Scripture Peshitta 49.207.220.61 (talk) 21:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Darth Flappy  21:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Uniform spelling

I do not know the regional/dialect difference between e.g. "Catholicose" and "Catholicos" but Misplaced Pages uniformly uses the latter spelling. Elizium23 (talk) 19:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Former name of the church

Br Ibrahim john, You added 2 references as the evidence of "Syro-Malabar Church" is "Malankara Chaldean Syriac Church". But where is that mentioned in those references, can you quote those sentences? -John C. (talk) 04:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Check into the sites. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 04:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Br Ibrahim john I couldnt find that in both references, if its there , what is the problem in pointing them? - John C. (talk) 04:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Check out. The book doesn't contain the title of Syro Malabar Church. The book refers to the Catholic Saint Thomas Christians and calls them Malankara Church only. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 06:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
@Br Ibrahim john, The question is very specific, Where is the mention "Malankara Chaldean Syriac Church" ?? - John C. (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Show some official documents where Syro-Malabar church is referred as Malankara Chaldean Syriac Church --John C. (talk) 06:54, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Just get into the site and read the book. Or else read the reviews. Don't come up with MOSC sunday school blamegames Br Ibrahim john (talk) 07:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Br Ibrahim john I am OK to read the book. I have a hard copy also which is from OIRSI publications, Vadavathoor not from MOSC Sunday school. Where is that mentioned Church name as "Malankara Chaldean Syriac Church", Which chapter?? or in which page?? -John C. (talk) 07:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Article name

@Pbritti: I suggest getting new consensus on article name since you think it is official name but did not cite the sources. Can you list such sources on "official"? You reverted a recent vatican document which had the name "Syro-Malabar". I have multiple recent Vatican documents which have this name. https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2017/10/10/171010d.html https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2011/october/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20111017_syro-malabar-church.html https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2021/documents/papa-francesco_20210703_lettera-siromalabarese.html

69.47.47.12 (talk) 21:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@69.47.47.12: The material is already sourced, using the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church's own website (viewable here) as well as myriad other official and extra-ecclesial sources. The Annuario Pontificio, which is more official than press releases or statements when dealing with official lexicon, states the name is the "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church" (viewable here). The Catholic Near East Welfare Association, a major organization that should be considered one of the foremost sources on this topic, presently refers to the body as the "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church" (viewable here). Major Catholic news agencies, including Catholic News Agency, also refer to the body as the "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church" (viewable here, here, and here). The Encyclopædia Britannica, in typical fashion, gives an absurdly erroneous name but retains "Catholic" in the title, offering the commonly accepted alternative "Syro-Malabar Church" as another title (viewable here). In short, it would appear that while "Syro-Malabar Church" is a perfectly acceptable name for regular speech and writing, the official title of the ecclesial body is "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church". As such, at first mention in the article, the official terminology will be used. Further named reference to the body as "Syro-Malabar Church" is perfectly acceptable, but also not the full official name.
Additionally, the source you inserted into the article is a dead link. I'll remove that link, because it produces an error message when you click it. If you are the same fellow who has recently been speaking with me, I encourage you to consider that the source I provided is that of the Syro-Malabar themselves, rather than those Latins you seem so displeased with but cite yourself. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
@69.47.47.12: Also, thank you for the EWTN reference link on the Epiclesis article. I have removed a dead link and reformatted the working link and copy-edited the associate material for verbiage and capitalization. It should be noted that the body in question was not speaking with the full authority of the Catholic Church, but did establish a precedent. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
@Qaumrambista: If you’re not going to engage in the conversation on the talk page, delete information that is properly sourced, and insert citation with improper formatting, I’ll ask for an admin to get involved once more. You’re not engaging with the editing process and are blatantly ignoring evidence contrary to your point. Please reconsider and engage in fruitful dialogue here. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:18, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Pbritti Actually it is only you who is engaging with the editing process and are blatantly ignoring evidence contrary to your point. The term "Syro-Malabar Church" is the most notable and official term. Clearly evident from Google search results and official documents. Qaumrambista (talk) 15:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qaumrambista: As demonstrated with multiple sources in the above comments, I disproved this statement and made it clear that, while "Syro-Malabar Church" is accepted and popular nomenclature, it is not official nor exclusively popular. You can't simply dismiss information when it's presented to you as clearly as this. If you won't engage in fruitful dialogue, such as explaining why you dismiss those sources in favor of press releases from a pope you called a "dictator", I will request intervention. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Pbritti you seem to very keen on lecturing others on Misplaced Pages here. At the same time you work as if it is not applicable to you. Misplaced Pages article titles are based on notable titles. Here, "Syro-Malabar Church" is the most notable and official one. Qaumrambista (talk) 15:31, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qaumrambista: I see you have recently added both names as an option to the top of the page. This seems out of pace with the standards demonstrated elsewhere, for example the Melkite Greek Catholic and Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Both typically go by "Melkite" and "Ukrainian Catholic" in common parlance and even occasionally in ecclesial documents. However, we give preference to the most official name, which in this case appears to be "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church". ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages articles titles are usually based on notability. The Syro-Malabar Church has more search results than Syro-Malabar Catholic Church in google. And the former is the official title. Qaumrambista (talk) 15:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qaumrambista: Google search results are not citable. Common name standards are more frequently applied when there are synonymous terms for a single thing, or when the official name is so marginal that nobody would recognize it by that name. Again, I've demonstrated "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church" is the most official term, appearing in the annual Catholic yearbook from which we derive much of the nomenclature on this site. "Syro-Malabar Church" is accepted nomenclature, but again is not exclusively popular. This is the same debate had between "Roman Catholic Church" and "Catholic Church". ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: Syro-Malabar Church is concise, recognisable, official, natural, precise and consistent with other usages like the Latin Church, Maronite Church and the Armenian Apostolic Church. Qaumrambista (talk) 15:47, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qaumrambista: We use "Latin Church" and "Maronite Church" because they are not only popular, but official. In fact, you're one of the few people to use "Latin Catholic Church". ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:53, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: what do you mean by "you"?? And //We use "Latin Church" and "Maronite Church" because they are not only popular, but official.// is more applicable to the Syro-Malabar Church. Qaumrambista (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: the basic fact is that there is no point in discussing with you anyway. You are not going to agree with anything. I have made my point very clear: //Syro-Malabar Church is concise, recognisable, official, natural, precise and consistent with other usages like the Latin Church, Maronite Church and the Armenian Apostolic Church. // Qaumrambista (talk) 16:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qaumrambista: I cited the edit where you used the phrase (also viewable here). Again, using the official church documents that we derive these things from, these entities are "Latin Church" and "Maronite Church", which "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church" is used. Those are official and common names. Please, research this topic further than the Google search page. I showed why you were wrong, you ignored it. If you consider editing maliciously, I’ll seek mediation ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

The best evidence for notability is google search count. And let me repeat: //Syro-Malabar Church is concise, recognisable, official, natural, precise and consistent with other usages like the Latin Church, Maronite Church and the Armenian Apostolic Church. // Qaumrambista (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

What on earth are you trying to prove!! Why are you continuously adding links to which I have no connection at all? Those edits are not mine. And for this suggestion: //I’ll seek mediation//, it is always welcomed. Qaumrambista (talk) 16:09, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qaumrambista: To be clear, you're claiming you are not the same editor who started this conversation and edited Epiclesis? ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti: I'm not the one arguing here, you are. And I haven't edited that article ever. So think before making an allegation. Qaumrambista (talk) 16:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Qaumrambista: Wait, are you the one who first started this conversation here on this talk page? ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Stop this non sense @Pbritti: Qaumrambista (talk) 16:30, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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