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Revision as of 14:37, 20 April 2022 view sourceBrownHairedGirl (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, File movers, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers2,942,733 edits →Use dmy dates on disambiguation pages: Reply to Star MississippiTag: Reply← Previous edit Revision as of 14:40, 20 April 2022 view source Uanfala (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users65,714 edits →Use dmy dates: yeahNext edit →
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:The latter feature is in my view a very valuable way of improving refs, and that is what prompted me to start adding {{tl|Use dmy dates}}. ] <small>] • (])</small> 14:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC) :The latter feature is in my view a very valuable way of improving refs, and that is what prompted me to start adding {{tl|Use dmy dates}}. ] <small>] • (])</small> 14:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, my watchlist has similarly been bloated with these edits, even though I only keep track of a few dozen England-related articles. Many of these articles don't need the template at all, because they don't have any dates: articles about places, for example, don't normally mention specific dates in the prose, while their sources don't often include the sort of text where exact publication dates are commonly given. BrownHairedGirl, this really is at most a bot job. – ] 14:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

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User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive 067#Category:Misplaced Pages vital articles by topic by class

Hi, would you mind checking over this? I've tried to clean-up the wikitext so it's more readable. ― Qwerfjkltalk 10:23, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll add {{Vital article by topic by class}} if there are no objections, in a few days. ― Qwerfjkltalk 22:26, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Current Venezuelan Professional Baseball League team rosters templates

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McGarry Township

Thank you for your edits. 66.103.52.68 (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

McGarry Ontario

Your edit was reverted. I believe maliciously. 66.103.52.68 (talk) 06:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Map references / Grid coordinates

Hi BHG. Your name often crops up on articles I work on, and I need a bit of help so I thought I'd ask. I am in danger of getting into an edit war over the coordinates for Plaistow, Newham. Can you point me towards any Misplaced Pages guidelines that cover coordinates and when they should be limited to just two decimal places? I am looking, but without success in respect of this particular sub-topic (so far). Many thanks. LenF54 (talk) 16:47, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @LenF54: Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Geographical coordinates? ― Qwerfjkltalk 16:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi @LenF54
Thanks for seeking guidance rather than getting into an edit war. That helps make Misplaced Pages a nicer and more productive place for everyone.
Unfortunately, I am not a good person to ask about co-ordinates, because I have had very little involvement with them. But Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geographical coordinates looks like a good place to find guidance pages, and possibly ask for input. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks, BHG. LenF54 (talk) 13:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians in Linthicum, Maryland has been nominated for discussion

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The Signpost: 27 March 2022

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A cup of coffee for you!

Hey, I am writing to say again that if you or anyone who know ever wants to write an opinion column for The Signpost then it is welcome. If you want more conversation then I am happy to meet you off wiki by voice or video chat, and you can record and republish the talk if you like. You had more questions, and if you want information then I would like you to have it. Thanks. Bluerasberry (talk) 11:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

South African basketball players

Hey sorry to be a bother but where did you get the information used in your article about South African basketball players 41.246.128.110 (talk) 22:32, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I do not know what you mean by your article about South African basketball players.
I personally have no such article. If by your article you mean some article somewhere on Misplaced Pages, then per our policy WP:V all the sources should be listed in the references section of the page. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:58, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Category:Fort Lauderdale CF has been nominated for renaming

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A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thanks for all your help. Denisarona (talk) 13:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, @Denisarona. That is v kind. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Another one.. Noticed your tireless efforts in improving Wiki Volten001 14:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Johnny Owen

I looked at the FAQ for the record table, but there was no information. What reason do you have for this one article breaking the consistency of professional boxing records? How does it being a featured article exempt it from the lay out of every other boxing record on Misplaced Pages? Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers: Under formats. The month of each fight is breaking this rule too. There is also no note of his death from the result of his final fight.CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@CaPslOcksBroKEn: Why are you asking me about this? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I got confused by the revision history, sorry.CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 02:41, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Just leave it be, seriously

At this point you've voiced your concerns enough. Stop responding in the DRV thread. This isn't a debate competition where you need to respond to all criticisms by the other side. Just stop commenting there. You may not see it but your tone and continued responses are encouraging people to address you in an increasingly negative manner. Additionally, DRV is not the proper place to discuss user conduct so I have no clue what you think you'll get by "defending yourself". Honor for honor's sake is useless. Either report the conduct at ANI or be the bigger person and let people complain if they want to. I hope this message doesnt sound dismissive but it's just sad to see you fall repeatedly for petty acts of incitement. The dispute is over, just let it be :) A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 07:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I am horrified that so many editors defend the hijacking of Misplaced Pages's community newsletter for partisan political propaganda. Our core value is NPOV, not providing a platform for soapboxing.
I am appalled that some editors (I could name two off he top of my head) have explicitly rejected the whole principle of NPOV.
I am shocked the after EpicPupper rewrote his editorial as an excellent neutral piece, with a solidly principled reason for doing o Smallbones intends to overrule him and revert to partisan politics. There are multiple layers of deep wrongness there.
And I am disgusted that the use of outright smear tactics against me seems to be acceptable. How on earth can we honestly build an honest encyclopedia when some editors just lie and smear prolifically to try to silence a voice they don't like? This is not the first place on en.wp that I have seen such awful disregard for truth, but it is the worst.
Your advice is well-intentioned, so thanks you. But your advice is tactical .. and for me, there are too many fundamentals at play here for me to play tactics. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Step away from the keyboard

Everything is water under the bridge between you and I. I value you as a wikipedian precisely because several times we disagreed with some passion and earnestness. Today, I'm late to the party, and I'm largely in your camp. For my part, I think your original objection to the editorial was important and your stridency in effecting a change was a worthy effort. Now I urge you to chase up some chai and find some personal peace. Something about the language or subject matter seems to have struck something discordant in you which brought an urgent need to be heard and your position acknowledged. Message received. You owe none of us an explanation for your strong feelings. But please do yourself a favor and go get a change of scenery. Your recent edits give you the appearance of a powerful tractor spinning its wheels in deep mud. And many of us love you. I urge you to step back from your keyboard for a time. BusterD (talk) 08:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @BusterD. I know you mean well, and I thank you for your support on the core issue.
You are right that something changed for me. Three things, actually:
  1. Discussions in which several editors explicitly rejected the whole principle of NPOV. For them, it essentially means upholding liberal democracy and opposing those who they see as bad guys. This is not NPOV; it's a form of ideological supremacism which is the polar opposite of NPOV, and it is evidently much more widespread than its most crass exponents.
    NPOV is NPOV: it can't be sliced or squeezed into an extended version of someone's own worldview, but it seem that hardly anyone in the community has any desire to accept the obvious fact that the ideological supremacists are WP:NOTHERE.
    It was also clear that those NPOV-rejectionists relied to some extent on the sad fact that the principle of NPOV has long been sold out in respect of some topics where the anti-FRINGE brigade have established a long-standing practice of using a whole swathe of articles as vehicles for suppressing one POV rather than upholding NPOV. The poison of that approach seems to to be much more pervasive than I had feared.
  2. Several discussions in which there were multiple instances of editors using outright mendacity as a device to try to suppress views they dislike. I have encountered this before, and it was a central issue in my Arbcom case at the end of 2019 ... but it is very clear that Misplaced Pages has created a grotesque internal culture in which the concept of "personal attack" has been distorted beyond recognition to mean not just "criticism of the person", but "any criticism even of conduct, no matter how civilly expressed or how well evidenced". That led yet again to the revolting situation of editors who post outright lies getting no reproach, but me being attacked for challenging the falsehoods. I know where that leads, and it is Kafkaesque: I have seen far too many occasions where editors repeatedly lie and lie, but the wrath is directed solely at the person who calls them a liar.
  3. And finally, my discovery late last night that the progress made earlier in the week was illusory: far from having learned from the debacle a week ago, the Signpost is set to double down on its pursuit of political partisanship, even to the extent of overruling EpicPupper's revision towards neutrality.
So yes, I can see why it looks like spinning wheels in deep mud. It seems that I am much more out-of-tune that I had realised with a significant number of the more vocal editors on the drama boards, and I am deeply shocked to find that the situation is so much worse than I had thought. I am in the process of assessing how much stench I can put up with, and how far Misplaced Pages has diverged from the project I joined 16 years ago. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Nix family

@BrownHairedGirl: wondering why you changed the "cite newspaper" into "cite news". Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 06:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Lotje.
It is because being able to rely on the canonical form makes it radically easier and more effective to run various ref-cleanup processes. For example, a regex search through the web interface is time-limited, so if I include all the redirects, the more complex regex makes the job time out. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much. I will keep this in minde. Lotje (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
You are welcome, @Lotje.
I must stress that there is nothing wrong with using any of the aliases for a template: they work just fine, and the display is exactly the same as if the canonical name was used.
However, the difference comes in using semi-automated processes to cleanup or improve articles. That's where the canonical form helps, which is why AWB converts many templates to the canonical form as part of WP:GENFIXES.
I would never reproach any editor for using one of the aliases for {{cite news}}. The important thing is adding the ref, and using the cite template. If using one of the redirects suits your workflow, then please use the redirect. But if it is convenient to use the canonical name, that does help us ref-polishers. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1988 establishments in Mizoram

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:El Salvador–Turkey relations

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).

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A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For speaking out against the inappropriate article on Ukraine at the Signpost. Thank you. Scorpions13256 (talk) 17:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

We are both looking at the same beautiful sky today!

What day to be alive! And still kicking. Or keeping my good boots out of the freakin' mud. Wet spring in Northern Illinois. We had an hour of wet snow last night. Our Huskies were thrilled.

Internet Archive Scholar. This is likely old hat for you, but I just cracked the tome last night. This is the beginning of what Benkler promised us in his address at Wikimania 2006: eventual online access to everything ever written. Because my writing focus still tends towards dead people, having access to searchable 19th and 20th century journals is a boost to finding RS secondaries. This is like walking the closed stacks and discovering books in your narrow interest just because they're filed on the shelf together.

Enjoying the Scholar made me think of you, and how you once said your account had been given access to an Irish newspaper archive, and then at some point the access was removed. I'm guessing newspapers.com doesn't catalog this. Is there some other way we could get you access to this newspaper(s)? I'd love to see you puttering along writing lots of little Irish politician stubs... BusterD (talk) 15:33, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Citation fixes

In this edit, Citation bot, at your "suggestion" fixed the bare urls. However, the links are actually broken and it didn't recognize that. Now the article has multiple useless links to a generic page. I'm not sure if this can be improved in anyway. These links should probably be marked with {{dead link}}. MB 16:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MB, and thanks for the pointer.
It's a GIGO situation: the website doesn't deliver a proper HTTP 404 error, and its soft 404 is so badly constructed that Citation bot didn't detect it. Probably not much to be done except to trout the website owner, but I will ping Citation bot's maintainer @AManWithNoPlan just for info.
Meanwhile I have tagged those refs as dead. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
There appear to be about 100 articles affected in the same way. Is there an automated way to handle those? MB 16:34, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @MB. At a quick glance, it looks like it will be easily fixable with a pair of AWB runs: one for the archived links, one for the others.
I will do it to tomorrow. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:39, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
az central seems to block most things, including wayback. archive.today is not AManWithNoPlan (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @AManWithNoPlan.
@Rlink2 has some cunning tools which can add links to archive.today URLs. I know that Rlink2 is v busy right now but maybe when I have cleaned up mangled filling of the refs, Rlink2 might be able to handle adding |archive-url=archive.today etc. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:17, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

"Use dny dates" and "DATES to dmy"

I noticed that you added a "Use dmy dates" template to a page on my watchlist; your edit didn't change any dates on the page, so I used the "DATES to dmy" tool that appears in the sidebar under "Tools" to convert all dates on the page to DD Month YYYY format. That tool will add a {{Use dmy dates}} template if it doesn't have one, and will update the date on the template if it does; it will also convert all dates to DD Month YYYY format. There's also a "DATES to mdy" item for Month DD, YYYY format. Guy Harris (talk) 05:50, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Guy. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
BTW, the page for those scripts is Misplaced Pages:MOSNUMscript (well, it's really a redirect to that page, but maybe the redirect is there in case the page moves); you might have to do something to add them. I'd forgotten about that, but the edit message it produces links "script" to that page, and I'd looked at the edit message for my edit to respond to somebody who asked about the message, and was reminded of it. Guy Harris (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

The Scouting Barnstar

The Scouting Barnstar
For all the work you do that positively affects Scouting-related articles. --evrik  04:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @Evrik.
Scouting is not one of my areas of interest, but my bare URLs cleanup covers all topics. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

List of people with synesthesia

I'm afraid that I messed up the formatting on this. Can you please help? Many thanks. Bearian (talk) 14:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Bearian
Tables can be exasperatingly finnicky! I did two edits to clean things up a bit:
Has that helped? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, many thanks! Bearian (talk) 14:19, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:CS1: long volume value has been nominated for deletion

Category:CS1: long volume value has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Hog Farm Talk 17:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Template:Foo-Bar relations if exists

Hi, this template of yours for bilateral relations categories, Template:Foo-Bar relations if exists. Is this supposed to do something Template:Foo–Bar relations category doesn't? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiCleanerMan (talk • contribs) 12 April 2022 at 20:29 (UTC)

@WikiCleanerMan: {{Foo-Bar relations if exists}} is designed to be used with subst, That way it adds the category if it exists, otherwise does nothing.
I use it in AWB jobs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for clarifying. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:26, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Use dmy dates?

What is with all of these 'Use dmy dates' edits? Are these being applied to European/non-American articles or something? Mainly coming here in regards to Dancing with the Stars (American season 30) (and seemingly all the other American DWTS articles), this shouldn't be getting changed on these articles, especially when most (if not, all) of the citation dates are in the exact opposite format, due to this being related to the American version of the series- Thanks. Magitroopa (talk) 06:15, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Magitroopa, and thanks for the headsup. I will first do a quick cleanup, then come back to you with an explanation. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:46, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Update: @Magitroopa, I found 29 other similar errors, which I have fixed in these 29 edits. I have removed ~30 other false positives from my article list.
What happened is that as you guessed, I have been tagging articles related to Ireland and and/or Great Britain ("IGB") with {{Use dmy dates}}. My main motivation for this that the presence of the template causes the CS1/CS2 templates to render all the dates (publication date, access-date, archive-date, orig-date etc) consistently in the "DD Monthname YYYY" format, rather than in the mishmash of formats in which they have been entered. It's a simple, lightweight method of cleaning up refs.
To do this, I have done a lot of WP:Petscan searches to make the lists. With each lists, I did a lot of checks to avoid including non-IGB topics. That included narrowing the initial scope, and adding exclusions until the category lists came up clean.
One of the lists I made was of topic related to the BBC and ITV and Channel 4. Unfortunately, I missed the categories foreign spin-offs, which are not well grouped.
Thanks again for bring this to my attention so promptly and with such civility. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:11, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Hey BHG, a related question to this. Why are categories (like Category:Rome (TV series) episode redirects to lists‎) being tagged? No dates are used here at all. Gonnym (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
@Gonnym: 'cos I must have screwed up in which namespaces were included when making one list.
No harm done by that, but tagging categories for date format is nearly always superfluous. So I have set my AWB job to filter out non-mainspace pages.
Thanks for the headsup. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Overall, I'm glad to see these edits. I attempted a similar thing with U.S. articles, but it ran into opposition. I'd suggest reviewing the discussion here to see some potential pitfalls. {{u|Sdkb}}  21:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for that pointer, @Sdkb.
I hope that I have avoided most of the pitfalls by being cautious in scope. For example, I have not simply taken everything tagged with {{WikiProject Ireland}}. Instead I have taken clumps of categories, and excluded those which are likely to include topics that are not predominantly Irish. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:10, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
Thanks for fixing the table that I mixed up! Bearian (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
You are v welcome, @Bearian. Glad to help.
And thank you for the barnstar. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:User latn has been nominated for discussion

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One question

Enough of this folly.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello. The page I wrote on Misplaced Pages, Does not appear in Google search. What is the reason?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:5EC0:2804:BFE0:AF5A:9598:61E2:2715 (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea. And since you don't say what page you are referring to, nobody can know. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:53, 13 April 2022 (UTC)


What difference does it make?


You do not answer. This question is not relevant to you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:5EC0:2804:BFE0:6743:6B81:3A00:1548 (talk) 05:34, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
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A gift

Recently, I took a Wikibreak. It's not the first time. I find when I get fed up with Misplaced Pages, it's the best thing to do. Misplaced Pages can be a toxic place. You take a lot of guff, but people do recognize your value. I was perusing your user page, and was amazed that you didn't have that many awards. Poking around a little further, I realized that you have not updated this page, User:BrownHairedGirl/Barnstars. Our colleague, @Gerda Arendt: does a great job letting people know that they are precious. I'm not going to start giving out precious awards, but I wanted to do something else to let you know you are esteemed. So, I went through and culled the barnstars and other awards that you have been given, and I updated your awards page. I did not include kittens, or puppies. Thanks again! --evrik  19:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah bless you, @Evrik. All of that is very very kind of you, esp updating my long-neglected barnstars page. That was a big job.
Huge big thanks to you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:User mul has been nominated for discussion

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Is this an error?

I just noticed this edit and wondered if it’s an error. I’m asking because I’ve seen similar occasionally. The edit summary refers to a date format correction which it isn’t. On my screen at least, I can’t actually see what the change to the page numbering in the reference is. The “change” doesn’t appear to change anything. Does the edit have a purpose or is it an AWB error? Thanks DeCausa (talk) 06:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @DeCausa: please look again at the summary: add {{Use dmy dates}}.
The edit summary links to Template:Use dmy dates, which explains the purpose of the template: To promote consistent date formatting.
Note that the edit summary does not claim to be correcting the date format. Instead, it notes what the appropriate date format for that article, so that other tools can implement it. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry I missed that! Thanks. The reason I missed it is that, on my screen, in the diff, for some reason it colour highlighted as changed some page numbers in a citation. But I couldn’t in the highlighted text see any difference in the ‘before’ and ‘after’. DeCausa (talk) 07:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Category:Winter Olympics by year stubs has been nominated for discussion

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Aya Uchiyama date format

Hi BrownHairedGirl. I'm curious at to why you keep adding {{Use dmy dates}} to Aya Uchiyama. The date format that's been used in the article since it was created has been "mdy" and there's really no MOS:DATETIES issues for articles related to Japanese persons since both formats are commonly used in Japan. My guess is that it's because Ushiyama was born in Belfast, but she's a Japanese national and her parents are both Japanese nationals; my guess is that she was born in Belfast while one or both of her parents were on company assignment or perhaps studying. However, her family seems to have returned to Japan when she was quite young, and all of her education appears to have been in the Japanese school system as far as I can tell. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: She was born in Belfast, so she gets included in the lists which I build.
I am building the lists in various overlapping ways to minimise false positives, so she ends up in multiple lists. If the tag is removed before I run the next batch, it gets added again.
I think that I have almost finished tagging Ireland-related articles, so she shouldn't appear in any further lists. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining things. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Years of the 21st century in the Crown Dependencies

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Watch list filter?

Hallo BHG, I've got no complaints about your addition of the DMY dates template to my article creations, a lot of which are UK-based, but, belatedly, I wonder if you know any easy way that I can hide your edits (while this project continues), or your edits with that particular edit summary, from my watch list? They do tend to dominate it and make it less easy to spot other edits in which I might take more of an interest! All the best, PamD 18:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @PamD
The best I can do is to mark them as minor, so that you can exclude minor edits from your watchlist. I was about to note that I was doing that already, but checked first ... and found that this afternoon's batch of English local topics had been done without the minor-edit flag set.
Oops! I have now turned that flag back on. Sorry for the inconvenience. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Hmm, I don't usually exclude minor edits because so many newbie editors flag every edit as minor whether it is or not, like this until I asked her not to! But I might try it selectively. Thanks. PamD 19:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
PamD: Someone recently added this functionality to the backend but it hasn't been implemented in the interface. I'm not sure where to add requests that it be considered.----Pontificalibus 11:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointer, @Pontificalibus.
Am I right in thinking that patch would allow use of the watchlist to exclude edits by tag (e.g. the "AWB" tag), but not to exclude edits by a particular editor? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Charles D'Almaine

Hi BrownHairedGirl! I see you're doing some of the thankless tasks for a WikiProject. I was wondering if adding dmy to Charles D'Almaine is the correct thing to do. He was born in England, but his entire career, anything which brings him notability, was done in the United States. I'm not sure what protocol is on this, I know there's been some back and forth on Bob Hope, but consensus is he was known as an American so we use the American date system. Would the same apply here? Thanks for you input! All the best, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @78.26. Thanks for your mag and your friendly tone.
You are absolutely right about Charles D'Almaine. I have corrected that article to {{Use mdy dates}}.
I have been using a variety of techniques to try to exclude emigrants, but they have not been 100% successful. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense. And per usual 99% of what gets done around here gets ignored, but the one time something doesn't work you're sure to get noticed immediately. Anyway, so here's a big thanks for that other 99.5%. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:53, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Bless you, @78.26. You get the wiki-politics of this precisely. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:59, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Something went wrong

Hi there. Something went wrong with this edit. I fixed it, but you might want to have a look at what caused it. --Muhandes (talk) 08:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Muhandes, and thanks for fixing it.
If you look more closely at the diff of my edit, you will see that it was in fact a GIGO situation, i.e. "garbage in, garbage out".
AWB encountered this markup <ref>{{|title= Sólo éxitos: año a año, 1959–2002 |url= http://www.mediafire.com/view/x263f6daopkswo8 |edition= 1st |date= September 2005 |publisher= Fundación Autor-SGAE |location= Spain |isbn= 84-8048-639-2|access-date=20 September 2018}}</ref>
The text between the ref tags looks more like a malformed table than a cite template, so AWB's WP:GENFIXES moved it outside the ref tags.
The markup there should have been as follows, with my addition in red: <ref>{{cite book |title= Sólo éxitos: año a año, 1959–2002 |url= http://www.mediafire.com/view/x263f6daopkswo8 |edition= 1st |date= September 2005 |publisher= Fundación Autor-SGAE |location= Spain |isbn= 84-8048-639-2|access-date=20 September 2018}}</ref>
I see that you fixed this is a later edit. Thanks! BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I see what you mean, an odd one indeed. --Muhandes (talk) 10:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Another barnstar for you!

The Music Barnstar
Dear colleague,
Thank you for inserting the {{Use dmy dates}} template in the articles I created for the albums released by Andy Irvine and associated projects. Your helpful assistance is greatly appreciated; thank you so much!
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee. 20:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks, @Patrick. That is v kind of you.
It's particularly nice that it was you who wrote the articles on Andy Irvine's work. I love his music, and he is also a very nice human being. I recall a fun evening where and his collaborator on Parallel Lines were musing about doing another album, throwing out various titles "Concentric Circles", "Overlapping Squares" etc. Sadly, the bottom fell out of the album market, so the album never got made.
I have almost finished adding {{Use dmy dates}} to all albums by British and Irish musicians, and am moving on to the musicians themselves. Sorry if that leads to your watchlist getting beaten up ... BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your lovely reply, above. Yes, I can imagine Andy (and Dick Gaughan) regaling an audience with such banter, having had the pleasure of seeing him in action on quite a few occasions over the decades. I’ll continue to admire your handy work via my watchlist, and many thanks once again for all your contributions to our encyclopaedia!
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee. 20:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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Modern Jazz Quartet

Hi BhG, you added the DMY dates template there, but they're very much American. Am I correct that you added it because it's in Category:Apple Records artists? (That was a minor part of their career/output but I digress). All the other DMY additions you did that I've noticed on my watchlist were OK. I reverted your edit to the Modern Jazz Quartet page then added an mdy tag. Graham87 03:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Graham87, and thanks for your message.
I guess it probably was Category:Apple Records artists that brought Modern Jazz Quartet into my list, but I am not sure how that cat became part of my selection tree. Grrr -- I spent a lot of time polishing the set of musical groups to tag, using wikidata and various other attributes, so it's annoying that one slipped through. There were thousands of groups, so it's still a v low error rate, but on that set I had hoped for zero errors.
Anyway, thanks again for the fix, and for being so nice about it. Here's some great music to accompany your good works. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks; lovely! An interesting meld; you can never get too much of the Chieftains. I actually ended up with Paddy Moloney's article on my watchlist because of this so I knew vaguely about this project before but I hadn't heard the results previously. I've taken the liberty of fixing up my message above so it makes sense ... and you can have one of my favourite tracks from the Modern Jazz Quartet in exchange, even though I think vibraphonist Milt Jackson would be rightly offended by Youtube's autogenerated summary. Graham87 07:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi there (Doctor Who)

I see your a Doctor Who fan how do I set up a Misplaced Pages for my roles on the show and acting ? Can you help? Richard Price 2A04:4A43:4B7F:D94C:3D05:D1DA:EF7E:37C3 (talk) 07:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Richard
I am not a Doctor Who fan. This website is an encyclopedia, which I help to edit. It is not a vehicle for self-promotion.
I cannot verify whether you are actually the Richard Price listed at https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3764470/, but that doesn't matter. Whoever you are, if you want to start a new fancruft website using wiki technologies for Doctor Who, then go to a site called Fandom, at https://www.fandom.com/ There is probably already a sub-site there for fans of Doctor Who, who may or may not welcome your self-promotion; you will have to ask them. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Use dmy dates on disambiguation pages

Hi BrownHairedGirl. I've noticed your AWB job has added 'Use dmy dates' to some disambiguation pages such as Negative and Issue . To me those seem like false positives as disambiguation pages are not articles, very few would ever contain dates, and could you classify them as dmy vs mdy anyway? Just wanted to find out your thoughts. Thanks! Tassedethe (talk) 20:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Tassedethe, and thanks for your msg.
I agree that these are false positives, for all the reasons you set out. I can't see anything other than highly exceptional cases where these these tags would be helpful.
When I add them, it is an oversight. I make my lists using WP:PETSCAN, and embarrassingly only discovered a few days ago that it can filter out dab pages. I have been using that filter since then, but I can't re-apply it to lists I made earlier; and sometimes I just forget to use it.
So I reckoned that the best way to proceed was to wait until I have finished this bout of tagging, and then cleanup by using Petscan to find any dab pages with {{use dmy dates}}. How does that sound to you? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
That sounds like a good plan. They're not causing any harm so nothing needs to be done immediately. Thanks! Tassedethe (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, @Tassedethe. Waiting until done also helps to avoid repeating the cycle. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi BrownHairedGirl. Thanks for all your hard work with adding {{Use dmy dates}}. I wondered how long your project will take, as my watchlist is currently clogged with all these additions. Can I filter out all your edits for a while? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Martinevans123: thanks for your friendly msg.
I am sorry about the watchlist flooding, and understand how annoying that is. See my discussion with @PamD above at #Watch list filter?: the short answer is no, you can't tell the watchlist to ignore edits by named editor(s). (I think that's a bug, but there it is).
What you can do is to filter out minor edits. However, that won't work if I forget to enable the "minor" flag on AWB, as I did with my most recent batch. Facepalm Facepalm Sorry about that; I have now turned it on for further edits, and have made a note to self to check that more rigorously.
As to how long this goes job will take, I am not really sure. The difficulty with this task is that most category trees are heavily polluted, so making list is quite complex, requiring lots of exclusions. (For example, yesterday I was making lists relating to medieval Scotland which I hoped would be quite clean; but instead spent hours filtering out various stray Norsemen and clumps of fiction related to sub-topics. and writers of that fiction who are often North American and hence used mdy dates.
I have had several trips around a cycle where I think that I have exhausted my ability to find significant sets of articles to tag where I have high confidence that there are few false positives; but every time I think I am down to the scrapings, I find some other combination of Petscan and Wikidata which lets me make another long list.
I think that it should start to slow down in the next day or two, and I hope that it will be wrapped up well before the end of the month. Sorry I can't be more precise. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks for clarifying. By all means feel free to work solidly without a break for the next 48 hours or else just work between the hours of 24.00 and 08.00 BST! :) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Haha! BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Use dmy dates

My watchlist is full of your edits. Can't a bot do it so I can filter them out (no, filtering out edits marked as minor is no use as that hides a lot of vandalism), and are the edits really necessary? Will you be doing the same with mdy for American articles? DuncanHill (talk) 13:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@DuncanHill! Long time no speak. Hope you are well.
No I won't be doing mdy dates. Too big a job, not my area of interest.
Yes, this job could be done with a bot flag, which would have some advantages. However, BAG is deeply dysfunctional in several ways, so I am not going to file a BRFA for this. More hassle than I can cope with.
As to really necessary, I am not sure than any edit to Misplaced Pages is really necessary. They all try to help make wp a bit better, but the world will go on without any of them.
These templates help in two ways:
  1. as a guide to editors
  2. as a flag for CS1/CS2 citation templates to render all dates in dmy format
The latter feature is in my view a very valuable way of improving refs, and that is what prompted me to start adding {{Use dmy dates}}. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, my watchlist has similarly been bloated with these edits, even though I only keep track of a few dozen England-related articles. Many of these articles don't need the template at all, because they don't have any dates: articles about places, for example, don't normally mention specific dates in the prose, while their sources don't often include the sort of text where exact publication dates are commonly given. BrownHairedGirl, this really is at most a bot job. – Uanfala (talk) 14:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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