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March 2022

Hello, I'm Binksternet. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, False accusation of rape, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 21:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Binksternet:, please go to the talk page in False accusation of rape because I am already discussing this with another user. And we both concluded the first sentence is not accurate to the sources provided. June Parker (talk) 21:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

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Denny article

see WP:CITELEAD. In the article it's in the Attack section, last sentence of first paragraph. Discussions should be held in the article's talk page. MartinezMD (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Why tell me to have a discussion in the talk page when you weren't willing to do that in the first place?

Elsewhere in the article, the first paragraph of the Aftermath section, says the victim rejected the idea the attack was an anti-white hate crime, as did some sources which called into question whether the attack was an anti-white attack or just a case of a vulnerable man being attacked. But if you want to insist all forms of anti-police brutality, anti-imperialism, and interracial crime is inheritly anti-white I can't help you. June Parker (talk) 22:10, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

April 2022

Hello, I'm Doug Weller. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Melissa King assault case that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Misplaced Pages is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Don’t do this please. Even if you’re right, this can get you into trouble. Doug Weller talk 12:52, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Well the issue is that they are not only hostile, but not right either. Sources don't need to specifically mention Haole day for it to be included in a See also section, it's because it's a similar concept that makes it relevant to what is discussed on the Melissa King article regardless of how verified it is. June Parker seems to be to be on a crusade to remove claims of racism directed at white people and whitewash controversial South African groups and politicians, seems like a single purpose account to me given that the only other couple or so edits are about video games. Removing relevant categories from articles is also strange. It's also interesting how they show up on the article at the same time as Desertambition, an editor who has had similar behaviour in the past. I don't want to assume bad faith or a sockpuppet but it does raise some suspicion at least. Either way June Parker I'd appreciate if you would assume good faith next time instead of getting flustered straight away. TylerBurden (talk) 15:25, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Interesting. I wasn't implying they were right, just saying you can't use being right as an excuse for bad behaviour. Doug Weller talk 15:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I understand, thanks for letting them know that's not how we operate here. Altough like I mentioned I feel like there might be reason to believe they should already know that. Just wanted to give my reasoning and observations. TylerBurden (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: @TylerBurden: Hello, I assure you I am no one’s sock puppet and I don’t appreciate either of you demanding I assume good faith when you refuse to do the same.

The reason I am removing categories to do with white racism from pages that do not have any sources that suggest or prove that the act of attack was done specifically to target white people, there are plenty I have left because after reading the sources it was clear to me it was white racism, but a large majority of articles with that category appear to have been pasted sloppily without any sources to back the claim up or consideration for the contents of the article, or using decrepit and opinion based sources that don’t meet Misplaced Pages's standards.

If it helps you I also made upwards of 100+ edits clearing out citations to the website TV Tropes as, again, it doesn’t meet Wikipedias standards for sources and should only be used if another source references it. But years before that I’ve made consistent edits on Comic Book characters and video games (Including a failed attempt to add a bit of information in the Among Us development section as well as adding an image of Ultimatum in Miles Morales. Feel free to do any deep scrub on me that you need to prove what I’m saying since apparently I’m untrustworthy. June Parker (talk) 18:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

How have we not assumed good faith? Do you equate reverting your edits, and warning you for uncivil comments to assuming bad faith? Because I can guarantee neither was. You on the other hand calling me a ″liar″ in a hostile edit summary is not assuming good faith. If you are not a sock, or related to Desertambition, great. It just seemed odd you show up at the same article at the same time with the same arguments, and the overall similarity in editing. I'm not accusing you of being a sock for sure, I'm just saying I did find it a bit suspiscious but that's literally it. I've not opened an investigation against you and I don't find that to be necessary right now. Hopefully we're both trying to do the right thing here, so we can probably work things out, but please try to follow Misplaced Pages policy because not doing so will only get you in trouble. TylerBurden (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Friendly advice

Hey June Parker,

Just wanted to offer some friendly advice and say to be very careful when talking about racism on Misplaced Pages because it's clear some users want you blocked. It is true that some editors are here in bad faith and make edits that are against sources/clearly pushing a POV. Sometimes you're wrong or they're just arguing in good faith trying to follow the sources. However, there are many times where it's clear an article is poorly written, pushing an agenda, and has an editor or group of editors arguing in bad faith to defend it. Admins do not like taking action against racists/"civil POV pushers" (WP:SEALION is a good essay about it). I have seen multiple instances of racists being given so-called "topic bans" instead of indefinite bans or ignored altogether. Calling someone "racist" is almost as bad as racial slurs to some Misplaced Pages users/admins. They often require people to assume good faith past the point of absurdity.

Also, users frequently accuse others of being socks without evidence like the user above did. That's against the rules but there are rarely consequences. I got pretty frustrated and it seems like you're getting a bit frustrated as well. Just try to ignore it and edit to the best of your ability. If there are contentious edits, start a discussion on the article's talk page (WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS) and try to build consensus using reliable sources (WP:RSP for a list of some). Remember not to break the WP:3RR, which means no more than 3 reverts on an article within a 24 hour period. Try not to get discouraged :)

Relevant section from WP:PEARLCLUTCHING:

"Pearl-clutching is very similar to tone policing, a form of anti-debate tactic intended to distract from the main point of the discussion. It can be compared to taking a dive. You aren't really hurt, but in order to provoke a reaction from the official, you act like you are. With pearl-clutching, one acts like a comment is overtly egregious in order to persuade others into thinking the comment was bad-faith or malicious, with no regard for accurate representation of the original comment. The goal is to undermine the original poster of the comment by accusing them of incivility, when incivility is typically the least of concern in the matter at hand, as pearl-clutching is often induced as a last-ditch effort by POV-pushers to gain ground when they are being shut down.

Pearl-clutching comes in many forms, and is typically easily identifiable because the pearl-clutcher's claims are usually a stretch at best. Pearl-clutchers are almost always POV-pushers or those wanting to aide a POV-pusher's argument, but it is sometimes just about grandstanding."

TL;DR: Editors are WP:PEARLCLUTCHING, ignore that. Try to build consensus and don't break the WP:3RR.

Good luck and be careful! Desertambition (talk) 21:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, but those same users are accusing me of being your sock puppet so I would advice against being on my talk page unless someone summons you. I understand I summoned you tbh so I'll be more careful. June Parker (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)