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Proposal that two parties are removed

The list of parties polled is very large. I think some are unnecessary. Neither the Union of Centrists (listed as EK in the table), nor Recreate Greece (listed as DIXA in the table) have any members of Parliament and both haven't been included in any opinion polls for almost a year. I think if more than a year elapses and a party hasn't been included in any polls since and has no members of Parliament its reasonable that we remove them from the table. So, in summary if neither of these two parties are included in any polls by 20 November, I advocated we remove these two parties. Please leave your thoughts below. Helper201 (talk) 18:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

​​​​​​ Please see my post above about possibly removing two of the listed parties. Your feedback would be much appreciated. Helper201 (talk) 20:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I don't really understand those parties' presence in the tables. Their current polling data is almost non-existant, and it's fairly clear at this point that they won't get polled anytime soon. They're merely occupying space. Impru20 15:48, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Impru20 is there any chance you could remove these two parties from the table please? I have tried to do so myself but upon viewing my edits in preview I seem to be making some errors. Helper201 (talk) 21:16, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to include a separate section where the percentages are not re-calculated

Although it certainly is helpful to see what the results would be by re-calculating the numbers by excluding those who will abstain or haven't decided yet. I think it would be equally helpful to have a section where it is just the voting estimate and the percentage of people who plan to abstain or have not yet decided is shown. Politics in Greece are not that stable so I think that these categories should be included so that people can see the whole picture. There is no guarantee that the people that have not decided who they are going to vote for will go for in the end. By not including the information that shows that a substantial amount of people are undecided, it is quite possible that people will make false assumptions about the popularity of the parties. Lastly, I think is important to have a category for the "other" parties because it is an important factor that shows how pleased the people are with the parties in parliament and their percentage will determine how many seats each party will get after the elections are over. Please consider adding another section that includes those categories. C0rsp1m (talk) 12:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I'd agree, since there already is one for the January 2015 election, if im not mistaken. BadComments (talk) 11:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I think that the formula that converts the results should be provided beforehand. So that it is clear for the reader to understand how the poll numbers were calculated (simple-rule-of-three), and why they do not match their corresponding referenced article. On the same grounds, I think it is far more useful and self-explanatory to have the original poll numbers in a table, as they provide an intuitive way to compare results, either between polls or elections. I think the calculated results are still useful, as a second table, having their formula explained. Even giving a single row example. NordMarios (talk) 15:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

It's literally explained just above the table: Polls that show their results without disregarding those respondents who were undecided or said they would abstain from voting (either physically or by voting blank) have been re-calculated by disregarding these numbers from the totals offered through a simple rule of three in order to obtain results comparable to other polls and the official election results.

Also no, precisely the calculation is done to allow for a proper comparison between polls and elections. Elections results do not include a field for "undecided", and pollsters often do not match each others' when deciding how to present their results: some polls offer results for "undecided" only, others for "undecided/abstaining", others for "undecided/abstaining/invalid", others for "undecided/abstaining/invalid/not answering"... and as many combinations as you can think of. Without the recalculation, polls are not comparable between each other. Impru20 16:06, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer Impru20. What I mean about providing the formula, is actually providing the formula. Not the explanation of the formula. And also an example e.g take a row of the opinion poll table and show how it calculates a row in the "voting intention" table. I understand that the "voting intention" table's purpose is to provide a comparison between poll results and election results. But it does not provide what the title suggests. The opinion poll results. I would recommend that in this page there should definitely be the opinion poll results. And a different page with the calculated opinion poll results with a different title, maybe : "voting intention estimates from opinion polls". Or in the same page, but as a second table, as it is a derived result. NordMarios (talk) 10:45, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

The formula is already explained to consist on a simple rule of three disregarding undecided, abstainers and any other figure not actually voting for a party. It is not directly provided because the link to the rule of three article is already given, as well as the link to WP:CALC; the actual mechanism of how a rule of three works is surely much more nicely explained in that article that it would ever be in this one. We do not need to explain basic concepts such as what a political party is either, right?

Independent polling aggregators (such as EuropeElects or Electograph, to name two, but you could find more) do present polling results in a similar fashion. Considering this, as well as WP:CALC, it is somewhat daring to argue that the article does not present "opinion poll results". It does. Cheers. Impru20 07:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again for your prompt response Impru20. And thank you for all of your detailed explanations. But I feel I may have offended you somehow. Forgive me if I have. My intention in this discussion is to maybe provide some insight into some improvements. And make this article that contains such valuable information, even more friendlier to newcomers, like I was when I first read it. But, I see that there is no intention of discussing any changes, so I can leave you be. NordMarios (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Proposal for addition 2 more parties

I think Free People and Creation, which includes New Right and Recreate Greece, should be listed in the opinion polling section, because they have been icluded in an opinion poll. Μοναχικός Λέων (talk) 13:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I saw some polls with National Popular Consciousness, they should be include as well Braganza (talk) 14:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Impru20, Αθλητικά, KnightPower17, BadComments, PatHRK, and Σπύρος Α.: your thoughts? Braganza (talk) 14:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

We should probably wait somewhat to see if the trend of including these parties in opinion polling is maintained into the future or is just occasional. Creating a whole column for parties that get mentioned in only one or two polls with negligible support does not seem appropiate. Impru20 14:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, it's been a while since I've written something. The opinion polls are too important for some people to ignore. The following are the results of my search on Google News. the results, however, do not appear on the webpage. KnightPower17 (talk) 15:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

i personally think we should make notes for parties which only appears less than 10 times or so (like some other poll pages do) Braganza (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Party logos

User:Derzki has twice reverted my addition of party logos. My attempt to obtain an explanation for this has thus far gone unanswered. It should go without saying that we cannot have logos for some parties and not others, as this would violate WP:NPOV. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 13:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ: idk why he made but Bots usually undo addition of non-free party logos Braganza (talk) 09:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Party logos that are non-free will be automatically removed by bots anyway. You have to check the party logo image page to see if these are copyrighted or not, because many logos only can be used in the party's main page, not outside of it. Impru20 09:54, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

An AFD should be opened

This article should be deleted, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 19:37, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

What sort of reasoning would you use for your AfD? The article (like most opinion polling articles) seems to be sourced to reliable content and would pass GNG in that regard. Bkissin (talk) 03:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Palmos Analysis/Zougla.gr Poll

I think this poll should be removed. The vote changes, especially for New Democracy and EgtP, are wildly different to current trends. Additionally, the poll was performed to a rather unconventional method, as the source explains. Anyone else in agreement? 81.110.178.252 (talk) 19:04, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Zougla polls are not reliable. These have never been added before and will not be now. They are essentially pro-far-right propaganda. Impru20 19:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

The polls presented by Zougla.gr are not included in the polls as they are fake which give fake percentages to the parties that are more right-wing in New Democracy.--Derzki (talk) 11:41, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Poll of abacus/alpha

This poll has receive very criticism and probably is biased 2A02:587:A609:100:39AB:680:19BC:4A4D (talk) 20:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

The poll is backed by reliable sources and its comissioner one of the biggests TV channels in Greece (Alpha TV). Personal opinions (a.k.a original research) matter little here, and I dunno about the "criticism" on the poll, but if Misplaced Pages starts removing verified information only because it comes under criticism, there would be no Misplaced Pages at all. Cheers. Impru20 21:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

How are voting estimates calculated

I know this is supposedly explained on the main page, but I've been trying to do the math myself on some polls (the 2 most recent ones, being one by Pulse and the one by Real Polls) and the numbers I get aren't the same so evidently there's something I've misunderstood. I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could explain the process to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos (talk • contribs) 18:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Oh Tassos Μέθοδος των τριών , αποκλείονται αναποφάσιστοι, δξ δα αποχή άκυρο λευκό 2A02:85F:F886:5B00:69F5:2A4C:49E7:FFED (talk) 04:51, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Realpolls/Dimokratia

There are new researches that are not included, such as https://www.dimokratia.gr/politiki/544477/dimoskopisi-realpolls-katholiki-apodokimasia-tis-kyvernisis/. It seems that sometimes this research is included and others is not. Please enlighten us about the guidelines of the published researches. As we know the institution that is resposible for the eligibility of the researches is the ESR (National Council of Radiotelevision) and this research is in full compliance with this institution.

The researchers have collaborated with the institution in order to publish the research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.107.183.97 (talk) 13:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of Realpolls/Dimokratia, I've noticed those polls have been consistently giving lower percentages to KINAL than pretty much all other polls we have on this page, any idea why that could be? (I can't notice any particular party benefiting from that though, which is also slightly odd) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Tassos (talk • contribs) 12:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism and Removal of polls

Recently the article has been vandalized by people that remove the most recent polls.

There are two polls, one by ProRata and one by Data Consultants, both showing the difference between the two main parties decreasing. I'd understand it if the latter is not considered a proper source since it hasn't been included before. But ProRata is an established polling company and all of the other polls conducted by them are there!

So now the article has been locked and can't be edited. Not by correcting the bias though but by embracing it! You have prevented people from adding a valid poll that happens to show that the difference between ND and SYRIZA has decreased significantly.

For how long do you think you can keep up such ridiculous tactics that attack Misplaced Pages's credibility? There's a new poll out now further proving ND's decline. Will you censor every poll that is not favourable to the government from now on? C0rsp1m (talk) 09:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Add National Creation party to the polls

The newly formed Coalition between Recreate Greece, New right amd National Agreement is polling at around 1.5%-2% , hence it should be added to the polling graph and catalog. Alexispapp (talk) 22:39, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

That's not true - the party was literally founded and presented officially three days ago, whilst there is not enough data to back your claims. 2% is a total exaggeration. There was just one poll showing a modest 1% so far. NikolaosFanaris (talk) 23:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

The party used to exist by the Dimioyrgia name alone and now the National Agreement party was added to the coalition. Dimioyrgia was polling steadily at 1.5% in the past months and I really cannot see how it is not there when you have Plefsi Eleftherias and Antarsya. I don't know whether it's a form of bias against conservative parties or not but it's unacceptable for not including us Alexispapp (talk) 12:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

It's a brand new party without any recognision yet in recent polls. If something changes, we could consider adding it. Dimiourgia Xana has been completely absent from polls with very low numbers in recent years. Your above statement is inaccurate. NikolaosFanaris (talk) 13:27, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

It not at all inaccurate and what you're doing is completely biased, almost all polls include Dimiourgia (the coalition between DIXA and New right) at a consistent 1.5% and at the same time the party is seeking the 3% threshold Alexispapp (talk) 13:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/1528615837258719233?s=21&t=BEsmfWduWDL9Cd13LcfQQQ

https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/1528437802739896322?s=21&t=BEsmfWduWDL9Cd13LcfQQQ

Here you have the two most recent polls and it's obvious that what I am saying is 100% accurate, please add Ethniki Dimiourgia to the polls as soon as possible Alexispapp (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

"Consistent" lol - two polls from the last couple of days because of hype?! Nah, that won't be possible under the current circumstances. NikolaosFanaris (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

The party will most likely get the 3% threshold in the 1st election. You once again prove your left wing bias through declining simple facts. I'll add it and i'll keep adding ED to the polls from different accounts even if you ban me until you realize that you eventually have to. Alexispapp (talk) 15:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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