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| ====Sago Mine disaster==== | |||
| I removed your merge tag on ]. You didn't explain why there should be a merge on the talk page. Also, the ] page you suggested be merged into Sago is huge. There is no room to put most of the information there into Sago. I also saw that this IP address has numerous warnings for vandalism, etc., so I am not taking you seriously. If I am wrong or you feel you have a good reason for merging, please discuss it on the Sago talk page. Thank you. ] 15:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :The fact that it needs to be explained to you why a person who has no claims to encyclopedic notability outside of surviving one notable event does not need an article ''separate'' from that event is disappointing enough. The ] article may be large; the amount of encyclopedically notable information in it is not. But when I turned on the computer this morning, I was randomly assigned an IP address, and people who had that IP address before me had done stupid things with it, and you think that is all the reason you need to not take me seriously? Do you realize just how foolish that sounds? Imagine if the police were to take that attitude. "Well, we got a call from a payphone saying that there was a bank robbery and that a bystander who was shot during the getaway needs our help badly. But I see in the logs that we've had prank calls coming from that payphone before, so we're not going to take any calls from that phone seriously." As you suggested, I have posted an explanation of the merge proposal on the Sago talk page. But I urge you to get rid of your naive prejudice against IP users and start judging ideas on their own merits; unlike your current practice, ''that'' will reflect well upon you. -- ] 20:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ===August 2007=== | |||
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| Greetings. Your deletions from the Twinkie defense articles have been reversed again. Please use the article's talk pages to discuss material you feel doesn't apply to the article. ] 23:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Regards. Your reinsertion of non-Twinkie defense material into the Twinkie defense article has been reversed again. Please see my lengthy explanation on the talk page on why your material is misplaced and furthers misunderstanding rather than improving the article. -- ] 15:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for your input on this matter. You have inspired me to dig up references and sources that I am glad to have read. And without your efforts the article would have limped along blissfully unfabulous. The original transcripts and documents from the trial don't yet seem to be archived online (except an archive of artists drawings) but I'm sure someone will add them as they appear. ] 10:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Please be careful when reverting vandalism not to erase legitimate edits or to re-add links banned from Misplaced Pages. Thanks for your contributions. ] 17:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ====Your ongoing incivility==== | |||
| Hello, Anonymous IP Editor. I have been looking through your contributions to various articles, and would like to point out your real incivility in edit summaries. Summaries such as or are not only uncollegial and incivil, but bad tactics in that they will get you blocked if you continue. I would further remind you, in response to , to ] about your fellow editors. | |||
| I am not going to explain all of Misplaced Pages's policies to you, or even encourage you to register, as all evidence points to you being an experienced editor editing anonymously, for whatever the reason. I will simply say that I am now watching a number of pages that you edit and hope I do not see such incivility again. ] 06:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| {{{icon|] }}}Please ] other editors{{{{{subst|}}}#if:Talk:Twinkie defense|, which you did here: ]}}. If you continue, you '''will''' be ] from editing Misplaced Pages. {{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-npa3 --> <span style="font-family: Verdana">]]</span> 16:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Isn't this a very sorry state that Misplaced Pages has come to? Where it is considered '''more acceptable''' to be an editor who inserts false claims about what a witness testified to on the stand and inserts false citations to cover up the fact that the material was made up by the editor, than to be an editor who actually tries to keep false material out of Misplaced Pages but isn't ''polite enough'' to those adding falsehoods? | |||
| Oh, but I forget, you ask me to "assume good faith". Very well. Please ''explain to me'' the good-faith explanation for inserting text that says "Witness A testified that B and attributed that to C" '''when you know''' that your citations make no mention whatsoever of C. Obviously if Benjiboi had any ''actual'' RS that George Solomon had really given that testimony -- even if it was a source Benjiboi ''thought'' was an RS that wasn't -- he would have provided ''that'' source in the citation. He didn't. Ergo, he knew that he was inserting an invented claim and giving false citations that did not support that invented claim. | |||
| You both found the time to chastise me for "incivility"; do you suppose anyone will ever get around to notifying Benjiboi (civilly, of course) that one cannot simply invent testimony one wishes a trial witness ''had'' given and place in an article the false claim that they ''did'' give it? And that merely citing the fact that a particular witness ''testified'' at a trial does not make it acceptable to invent your own version of ''what'' they testified to? -- ] 19:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I'd like to ask '''everyone''' to be civil, not to escalate the accusations further, & to focus on the content issues instead of on each other. I agree that there are problems with the ] article, but it is possible to point out problems with that without accusing one another of intentionally acting in bad faith, "lying", "inventing", etc., & also without calling people names behind their back in other areas of Misplaced Pages. Meantime, ], I've replied on my talk page to your post to me there. --] 23:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ====Twinkie defense RfC initiated==== | |||
| Please see ]. This article RfC is was initiated per the ]. Please see ], particularly the section on ], for information about this process. Thanks. --] 01:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ====Regarding your statement==== | |||
| I would encourage you to rethink your accusations towards Benjiboi in your statement. It is more likely that Benjiboi's mistakes have been the result of, well, mistakes by Benjiboi. I can tell you that I have been on[REDACTED] for almost two years and I have never seen an editor push their agenda in an article and then yield to compromise and mediation. It is likely that Benjiboi made the same mistake as whoever created the "Twinkie Defense" legend, and added the phrase for clarity, without realizing he was changing the definition. | |||
| I encourage you to go back and read the earlier discussion ]. If you could lend me a minute of your time, I would like to give you my interpretation of what has happened here with Benjiboi editing the article. When I read the posts made by you and Benjiboi—together and then separately—I saw that the two of you are talking about two different issues—each one of you guys is talking about a different thing, it's almost like it's two different conversations. You are discussing the source of the Twinkie defense, while Benjiboi is discussing the victim's homosexuality. You two never officially disagreed with each other's assertions—Benjiboi never defended or apologized over his edits. There really isn't a dispute, there are just two conversations going on here—neither of which has really been discussed. They are: | |||
| # Benjiboi wants to know why you oppose mentioning the victim's homosexuality. Insofar as I can tell, you never respond. | |||
| # You want to know why Benjiboi added incorrect information and gave incorrect citations. He never says why he did or defends his actions, he just questions you about the above topic. | |||
| Do you see? We just need to clear up these two misunderstandings. Please, think about this, and come back to me with an answer when you have thoroughly considered it. I really want us to find a happy solution for everyone. '''] (]·]·])''' 05:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Just to point out that 192 ''doesn't'' oppose mention of the victim's homosexuality. What s/he said was, (] was an editor who had earlier questioned if mention of Milk's gayness was at all relevant, but modified his/her view somewhat as the conversation proceeded). 192 does have a different opinion than Benjiboi of the ''extent'' to which Milk's gayness is relevant, but never said it was irrelevant or should not be mentioned at all. Otherwise, I think you may be right that to a great extent they were having two different conversations, & were both frustrated at each other's inability to hear the other's concerns, which both read as a sign of bad faith on the other's part. --] 05:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you, Yksin. I did indeed take it as a sign of bad faith that instead of answering the concerns that I ''was'' voicing, Benjiboi kept asking me to defend positions that I had never held and never said, such as "No one has disputed that Twinkie defense started anywhere but with the people v. White case, if you think that is true" and "If you think that Twinkie defense had nothing to do with Dan White" and "you vehemently claimed that Milk's being gay had/has no place in this article and had nothing to do with Twinkie defense". Two of those claims, as Yksin has pointed out, were already shown false before they were made, and of the remaining two, well, I'd like someone to point out to me ''any'' portion of what I've said that a reasonable person acting in good faith could interpret as "the Twinkie defense started somewhere other than People vs. White" or "the Twinkie defense had nothing to do with Dan White". -- ] 20:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ===September 2007=== | |||
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| == ] == | |||
| Yo, 192, I've belatedly replied to you on ]. --] 02:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| See reply on ], & the article & its talk page. Ready to proceed. Good luck! --] 02:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you! -- ] 12:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Billy Bragg and original research == | |||
| Hello, 192.250.34.161, this is one of the '''other''' users of 192.250.34.161 . If you're the person who made , then you're who I'm writing to. Anyways, the problem with this edit is that using "direct conversation with the subject" as a reference is forbidden on Misplaced Pages; it's something called "]". If you cite a claim to a newspaper article, then anyone who might doubt your claim can check the article and see if it really says what you say it says. But no one can check a direct conversation you had with somebody, so you can't use it as a source. I'd advise looking around to see if Bragg shared the same information about his name in an interview somewhere, which is pretty likely. -- ] 21:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :This seems somewhat silly, since a lot of information that is shared in the world does not make it into print or other media. For example, if in conversation with Billy he tells me that his father was a haberdasher, but that is not written anywhere, does that then mean it is invalid and should not be included in this biography page about him? It is not encyclopedic content, it is simply information on the subject that is not widely known. | |||
| :And who are you if you are using 192.250.34.161 ? | |||
| :Stephen Walker | |||
| ::Yes, that's exactly right; if Billy tells you that his father was a haberdasher, but that fact never makes it into print in a ], it can't be used in Misplaced Pages. Private biographers can do that sort of thing, putting "Bragg's father, a haberdasher" into the text and then adding a footnote "personal conversation with subject" to explain how they know that. But Wikipedians can't do that sort of thing, as it's ]. As for who I am -- well, if you've ever looked at "your" list of contributions, surely you've noticed that not all of them are yours? -- ] 14:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::will you guys start getting user accounts and using them--you can still call yourself almost anything you please. WP is not a guessing game. 15:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'm really not sure what business it is of yours. I have good reasons for not getting a user account, despite it sometimes causing me inconvenience. "WP is not a guessing game" -- no, it isn't, but no one is making you guess at information that you need to know. -- ] 15:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == October 2007 == | |||
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| == Mea Culpa to an Astute Banker == | |||
| I am grateful to you for your criticism ("Altering direct quotations") which you placed at the bottom of my talk page on October 10, 2007. I am well aware of the academic and Misplaced Pages rule against altering direct quotations, and it is only too clear that I am at fault. I must have rashly assumed that the spelling "Jimcrow" was not in the original text, but the slip of key or mind of a Misplaced Pages editor, but I had no right to assume that, and I apologize most sincerely to you and to the entire Misplaced Pages community. "Every time I ASSUME, I make an ASS out of U and ME." ] 12:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)Writtenright | |||
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