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Newark Airport Interchange

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The article title is a neologism, a google search for "Newark Airport Interchange" yields 14 unique results, most of which are Misplaced Pages mirrors. Most of the article is original research; any material that would be salvageable for merge is already in the articles on the respective highways. And for the icing on the cake, not that it matters, but the original author and only major contributor is an indefinitely blocked sockpuppet/vandal. NORTH 08:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete This page was created by our 512theking vandal.  V60 13:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure that's the most valid reasoning. I threw it in on the nomination just as the icing on the cake, but just because he's banned now doesn't mean some of his prior contributions couldn't have been useful. If you're going to agree with me, agree with me on the first two points. -- NORTH 16:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• This article is likely as noteworthy as any other article about a big complicated road and motorway junction. Anthony Appleyard 17:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• The term has been used for Turnpike exit 14, but not for the whole complex: The interchange itself is notable: "Described by the Department as being 'one of the largest and one of the most complex projects ever entered into' by it, the project centered on the confluence of U.S. Routes 1 and 9, the New Jersey Turnpike, Newark Airport and the access roads to Port Newark." How about a descriptive name like interchange at Newark Airport? This exact wording is used in a 1964 planning document. We could also simply move it to Newark Airport interchange, another descriptive name. --NE2 20:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, WP:NEO does not apply; this is about a real thing, and it is about the thing, not about the term (that is, it doesn't say "David Letterman uses Newark Airport interchange as a euphemism for sex" and so forth). The term should be by consensus of the article editors per WP:NC. An alternate name, per The New Jersey Turnpike, is some variation of "Interchange 14", but that book uses this title as well. (but I believe that only applies to Turnpike drivers) --Dhartung | Talk 22:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with much of what you said. I never said that the article was about a neologism. There are two separate problems with the article as it is currently written: (1) The article title is a neologism - which isn't cause for deletion, but something that needs to be changed if its kept, and (2) most of it seems to be original research.

As an aside, this article is not about Interchange 14 on the New Jersey Turnpike. It's about the interchange just west of there between I-78, US 1/9, etc. -- NORTH 22:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, perhaps the confusion on whether or not Turnpike Exit 14 is included indicates that WP:NEO does apply. To quote the article itself, "Interstate 95/ Turnpike may not be involved." (emphasis added) By the same logic that would include the Turnpike - that the ramps all feed into each other, and there's no clear boundary between the two interchanges - we should include where the Airport entrance actually interchanges with US 1/9 south of I-78, but then those ramps weave in and out of the ramps to Route 81 south of the airport, and Route 81 is just a whole big mess of ramps that are indistinguishable from each other all the way to Turnpike Exit 13A. But 13A is by definition a totally separate interchage from 14...

Basically what I'm saying is maybe this article is about a neologism that's poorly defined. It's true that the "complex" shares many things in common with notable interchanges, like the East Los Angeles Interchange, but IMHO it's missing the two most important things: a name, and defined boundaries. The first link NE2 cites calls it a "complex project", but doesn't necessarily mean that it's meant to be viewed as a single interchange complex. -- NORTH 04:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The NJDOT does call it a "confluence" in that court case, and includes the Turnpike. Someone with New York Times access could check . And I suspect, but can't be sure, that there is a common name for this - "the airport", as in "I-78 is backed up to the airport". --NE2 11:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I would think that "the airport" would refer to the airport, not any specific roadway junction near the airport. The word "confluence" to me indicates merely that a bunch of roads are flowing into each other, but doesn't necessarily indicate that they're flowing together in a single complex, and does nothing to define boundaries.

Surely if this interchange had a valid name and defined boundaries, there would be a better source than a decades-old court case that doesn't even mention I-78 (although likely only because it wasn't completed at the time). -- NORTH 22:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, rife with OR and POV and unsourced statements, and there's no reason asserted why this single interchange is notable. Krimpet 15:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: A reason is giving for this interchanges notability in the lead. "The interchange is one of the largest and most complex interchanges in New Jersey." --Holderca1 16:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, this article contains useful information about one of the most complexed interchanges in the Northeastern United States. I know my brother 512theking the vandal, created it. But this article offers information about the interchange. Besides, they're other interchange articles that exist. -- JohnnyAlbert10 22:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

You better god dam keep it! I 512theking, created this article. listen to my little brother JohnnyAlbert10, I like this article and if you guys delete it i will vandalize[REDACTED] like i did in the good old days.

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