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:Secondly current title is vague and can refer to any of Salafi-Deobandi militant group operating in the country so for that too we need a precise title and the title in suggested move happens to be official, common and precise title of the outfit. ] ] (]) 16:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC) :Secondly current title is vague and can refer to any of Salafi-Deobandi militant group operating in the country so for that too we need a precise title and the title in suggested move happens to be official, common and precise title of the outfit. ] ] (]) 16:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. There is nothing ''ambiguous or inaccurate'' about the current title. ] (]) 02:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC) *'''Oppose'''. There is nothing ''ambiguous or inaccurate'' about the current title. ] (]) 02:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
*'''Relist comment.''' Almost closed this, and if I had, my decision would have been "no consensus". Per the ] and the ] that would have meant returning this article to its long-term, stable title, ''']''' (since 2008), as proposed. That title was only changed in May of this year to the current name, so consensus for the current title is not in my opinion strong enough to warrant keeping it, but I could be wrong. Decided to relist for a not-unprecedented third time, and to pass this closure to another editor, preferably a trusted and experienced admin. ''''']'''''&thinsp;,&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;<small>03:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)</small>

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Should be exchange Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammad to Islamic state Khorasan group and Jundallah ‘s location in infobox, The latter two are part of the Islamic State and the former are not. Designated as a terrorist group by should add UNSC (https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/S_2021_655_E.pdf) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.137.148.244 (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 04:58, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

the Infobox has much mistakes, it should edit like this

Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan
(Pakistani Taliban Movement)
تحریک طالبان پاکستان

Flags used by the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan
Also known asPakistani Taliban
(پاکستانی طالبان)
LeadersBaitullah Mehsud †
(2007–09)
Hakimullah Mehsud †
(2009–13)
Fazal Hayat †
(2013–18)
Noor Wali Mehsud
(since 2018)
Dates of operationDecember 2007 – present
Allegiance Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (self-declared, publicly rejected by IEA)
HeadquartersEastern Afghanistan
IdeologyWahhabism
Islamic Fundamentalism
Pashtunwali
Sectarianism
Separatism
Size
  • 25,000 in 2014
  • 3,000–5,000 in Afghanistan in 2019 (according to U.S. Department of Defense)
  • 3,000-5,500 in Afghanistan in 2022 (UN intelligence estimates)
Allies
Opponents
Battles and warsInsurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, War in Afghanistan (2001–2021), Global War on Terrorism
Designated as a terrorist group by Canada
 United Kingdom
 United States
UNSC UNSC

This is the real status. Thanks a lot 161.8.184.61 (talk) 07:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

References

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  2. Abbas, Hassan (January 2008). "A Profile of Tehrik-I-Taliban Pakistan". CTC Sentinel. 1 (2). West Point, NY: Combating Terrorism Center: 1–4. Archived from the original on 1 January 2017. Retrieved 8 November 2008.
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  5. "Isis ascent in Syria and Iraq weakening Pakistani Taliban". The Guardian. London. 23 October 2014. Archived from the original on 22 October 2014. Retrieved 24 October 2014.
  6. ^ "Afghan Taliban reject TTP claim of being a 'branch of IEA'". Dawn. 11 December 2021. Retrieved 9 May 2022. They are not, as an organisation, part of IEA and we don't share the same objectives... The IEA stance is that we do not interfere in other countries' affairs. We do not interfere in Pakistan's affairs.
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  39. "Letter dated 15 July 2021 from the Chair of the Security Council Committee pursuant to resolutions 1267 (1999), 1989 (2011) and 2253 (2015) concerning Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Da'esh), Al-Qaida and associated individuals, groups, undertakings and entities addressed to the President of the Security Council" (PDF). securitycouncilreport. Retrieved 2021-06-05.

Archive

Please move Talk:Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan/Archive 1 to Talk:Pakistani Taliban/Archive 1. Archive 1 at the top of this page is a red link at the moment and therefore almost inaccessible. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:70A2:93D3:6407:CD5D (talk) 10:30, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Now done. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:7556:FC67:98CF:2346 (talk) 09:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Grammar error

In the beginning of the article, where it says “The Pakistani Taliban share a common idealogy with the Afghan Taliban and have assisted them in the 2001–2021 war, but the two groups have separate operation and command structures”, “idealogy” is spelled wrong, and should be “ideology”. Tankpiggy18 (talk) 02:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing it out. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 06:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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This terrorist group is Designated as a terrorist group in Pakistan by the government I request to mention it in infobox and also include this category in the article "(Category:Organisations designated as terrorist by Pakistan)" in article. 103.141.159.230 (talk) 11:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Got a more recent source that 2012? 10 years is a lot of time, those lists change frequently. I will gladly add it, just would like a more recent cite. FrederalBacon (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@FrederalBacon: Here is the official list from the Pakistan's National Counter Terrorism Authority Click on "Proscribed Organizations List". 103.141.159.230 (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the new ref, added! FrederalBacon (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@FrederalBacon: Thanks and please include this category (Category:Organisations designated as terrorist by Pakistan) in article. 103.141.159.230 (talk) 03:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. "List of bannned organization in Pakistan". Express Tribune. 24 October 2012. Archived from the original on 26 October 2012.
  2. https://nacta.gov.pk/proscribed-organizations-3/

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Pakistani Taliban → Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan – All five criteria under WP:TITLE should be referred to when choosing to name articles appropriately. WP:COMMONNAME notes that Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources. "Pakistani Taliban" isn't really the name of any organisation, but is rather just informal shorthand for the group known as Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. More significantly, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan themselves don't refer to themselves as such, and neither do the vast majority of Pakistani sources including the Urdu press. If we look at the previous move request then you can see that the user used WP:GOOGLEHITS as an argument to change the name which is not good enough to warrant the name change, because going by the same argument, a search for "Pakistani Taliban" in Urdu (پاکستانی طالبان) returns 14,600 results whereas the name "Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan" (تحریک طالبان پاکستان) returns a staggering 547,000 results in comparison. To imply that it is way off the mark would be an understatement! 103.244.173.68 (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  03:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Evidence of which name is more common remains disputed. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I checked up on the data, and here are my conclusions:
"pakistani taliban" as a phrase has 4,91,000 results , compared to 73,600 results for "tehrik-i-taliban pakistan" taken as a phrase. In this scenario, for a general google search, Pakistani Taliban is the much more common name, with a ratio higher than 6:1.
A criteria better preferred by editors, however, is google news - where "tehrik-i-taliban pakistan" as a phrase has 4,600 results , compaared to "pakistani taliban" which as a phrase has 28,900 results . Here, Pakistani Taliban is again more common, achieving a ratio of over 6:1 as well.
Further, the arguments stated in favour of the move by several editors are considered invalid per Misplaced Pages policy - Atleast 3, and possibly 4 editors who voted here used the fact that it was an official name to support this move - This is not recognised under Misplaced Pages, as explained in WP:OFFICIAL. The argument by the filing editor wrongfully cites a policy meant for deletion discussions here, to discredit google search results, which are in fact quite often used to determine the common name. The arguments about Urdu search is moot since this is not the Urdu Misplaced Pages and will therefore rely on english sources. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support the name change. Google search results are NOT a determining factor in outfit's name popularity. Any search result having a mention of Pakistan and let's say Afghan Taliban or any other Taliban faction (which are separate from TTP) will also come in results of Pakistani Taliban. Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan may have lower search results but it comes with precise results and represents official and common name of the outfit. WP:PRECISION Muneebll (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
    @Muneebll: Educate me please, what other Taliban factions are there operating in Pakistan and have English Misplaced Pages articles? – robertsky (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
    The article has a mention of various breakaway and allied factions with TTP but the issue I raised with the current name is that Taliban when used internationally is understood to be Afghan Taliban but same when used in context of Pakistan may refer to the any of militants group operating in Pakistan adhering to Salafi-Deobandi ideology. Even as per layman understanding in the country, Taliban applies to all these militant groups. So having the suggested title will precisely refer to the intended outfit. Muneebll (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Theres nothing wrong with the search results, your objections are incorrect - Ref my post below.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisting comment: A late suggestion to drop the "Pakistan" entirely in the suggested target just appeared. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment Muneeb does not seem to have understood what my google search data suggests - When using quotations, searches are limited to exact phrases . Therefore, the results are not for articles with "Pakistan" and "taliban" in them - They are for articles with "Pakistani Taliban", rendering his objection moot. The data analysis is completely valid, and as the search data suggests, the title should not be changed.
Note for closer - WP:NOTAVOTE is extremely necessary here, due to a complete lack of policy or data based arguments by those arguing for the title to be changed. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment I in my vote above gave valid reasons in support of suggested move. Numerical data of Google search results is not determining factor here because it's not precise and also the most of the results mention the official title either in headlines, intro or body to identify the exact outfit being talked about so why not have that title instead on Misplaced Pages.
Secondly current title is vague and can refer to any of Salafi-Deobandi militant group operating in the country so for that too we need a precise title and the title in suggested move happens to be official, common and precise title of the outfit. WP:PRECISE Muneebll (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There is nothing ambiguous or inaccurate about the current title. Andrewa (talk) 02:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Relist comment. Almost closed this, and if I had, my decision would have been "no consensus". Per the policy and the closing instructions that would have meant returning this article to its long-term, stable title, Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (since 2008), as proposed. That title was only changed in May of this year to the current name, so consensus for the current title is not in my opinion strong enough to warrant keeping it, but I could be wrong. Decided to relist for a not-unprecedented third time, and to pass this closure to another editor, preferably a trusted and experienced admin. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  03:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
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