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Piano Collections

Here they are in their original form, first Final Fantasy VII:

1. ティファのテーマ
2. F.F.VII メインテーマ
3. シンコ・デ・チョコボ
4. 旅の途中で
5. 闘う者達
6. 星降る峡谷
7. ゴールドソーサー
8. 牧場の少年
9. ルーファウス歓迎式典
10. J-E-N-O-V-A
11. エアリスのテーマ
12. 片翼の天使
13. 忍びの末裔

Now Final Fantasy VIII, although the track names are in english even on the japanese release it seems:

1. Blue Fields
2. Eyes On Me
3. Fisherman’s Horizon
4. SUCCESSION OF WITCHES
5. Ami
6. Shuffle or Boogie
7. Find Your Way
8. The Oath
9. Silence and Motion
10. The Castle
11. The Succesor
12. Ending Theme
13. Slide Show Part2

Final Fantasy IX:

1. 永遠の豊穣 Eternal Harvest
2. 隠者の書庫ダゲレオ
3. いつか帰るところ
4. Vamo' alla Flamenco
5. 辺境の村ダリ
6. 魂なき村ブラン・バル
7. 消えぬ悲しみ
8. 独りじゃない
9. 盗めぬ二人のこころ~その扉の向こうに
10. ローズ・オブ・メイ
11. 眠らない街トレノ
12. とどかぬ想い
13. 最後の闘い
14. Melodies Of Life

Final Fantasy X:

1. ザナルカンドにて
2. ティーダのテーマ
3. ビサイド島
4. 祈りの歌
5. 旅行公司
6. リュックのテーマ
7. グアドサラム
8. 雷平原
9. 襲撃
10. 浄罪の路
11. 素敵だね
12. ユウナの決意
13. 極北の民
14. 決戦
15. Ending Theme

Final Fantasy X-2:

1. 風紋 ~3つの軌跡~
2. ユウナのバラード
3. パインのテーマ
4. クリーチャークリエイト
5. ナギ平原
6. ザナルカンド遺跡
7. アカギ隊
8. 「洞窟の悪夢」より
9. 終焉
10. 1000の言葉
11. エピローグ ~再会~
12. 久遠 ~光と波の記憶~

Golbeza Clad in the Dark: 黒い甲冑ゴルベーザ
Waltz Suomi (a.k.a Waltz Clavier): タイクーン円舞曲へ長調

SoundPound500000

Uh......yea.......did you miss that scene where Roxas and Sora were fighting. Here is what happened: They were in the World that Never Was and while Donald and Goofy fought Nobodies, Sora fought Roxas in his dream world. After having the crud beat out of him Sora lost his sword but teleported it in his hand and swiftly cut Roxas across his chest and when he appeared later, he coudn't look more of a spirit.

"Sockpuppet"

Actually I'm using a friends computer and out of habit I signed with my name and then fixed it, but if you want to leave it that way go for it, because at least this way I can keep editing.--User:Soccerguy1039

Uh, I have to ask though, do you check the history every time somebody makes an edit?--User:Soccerguy1039

???--User:Soccerguy1039

Well?--User:Soccerguy1039

Yes you do, otherwise you wouldn't have found that, that was some bad lying.--User:Soccerguy1039

If you didn't check the history then you wouldn't have found that, so yes you must check the history.--User:Soccerguy1039

Right, if that's the case then what exactly made you check the history this time? Was it a forsive habit?--User:Soccerguy1039

Just answer the question.--User:Soccerguy1039

Seriously just answer it.--User:Soccerguy1039

I know you're there Urutapu--User:Soccerguy1039

General (probably stupid) question regarding the Slowbro edit

Is it/has it always been standard policy to remove the strategy bits from the Pokémon articles? I'd guess without looking that a fair majority of the 400whatever articles have something similar in them, so I'm wondering if you did it with a poor rationale or if I can delete any strategic stuff I see in future articles. Sorry for asking and thanks in advance! --ArrEmmDee 02:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Edits to the Pokemon video games sections

Hi there. I noticed you've been quite active in removing strategy guide content from the Pokemon pages - good work with that, by the way - such as the Skarmory and Jumpluff articles. However, I came across this guideline page:], which seems to indicate that some general descriptions of strategy is permitted. From that, it seems like your deletion of huge chunks of the articles seems a bit like overkill.

I understand that Misplaced Pages is not a game guide, but would you agree that it would be better to edit the "in the video games" sections to have more general descriptions, rather than outright removal?

Thanks. Bhamv 12:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, movesets should definately go. I've been deleting them too. Cheers. :) Bhamv 07:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Elfe/Helffer

Hey, just looking over the Before Crisis page and noticed the slight conflict going on there over Mrs. Avalanche's name, so thought you might like to know there's at least one official source, the Reunion Files, that gives her Romanised name as Elfe. It's used in its brief summary of Before Crisis. It isn't much (particularly given said Files manages to use Veld and Verdot on the same page), but it's the only say it on from Square that I know of, and its used consistently in the few mentions of her. --Made2Fade 00:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Pokemon articles

Hey Urutapu, you are doing a good job with the Pokemon articles. Keep up the good work. Red Director 02:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Urutapu!

I wanted to thank you for your recent edits to Pokemon items, but I also just wanted to let you know that it's helpful to other editors to always fill in an edit summary so they don't necessarily have to check each change you've made. Thankfully, most of the edits you make are very beneficial to the Pokemon project so that means edit summaires are even more helpful because other editors can trust you and not have to load a bunch of diffs (for most anon edits, people are going to double check what the edit was neways). -ΖαππερΝαππερ _Alexandria 16:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Trauma Center: Angie's Japanese name is, in fact, Ange!

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Trauma_Center:_Under_the_Knife&diff=101692484&oldid=101691972

Her Japanese name is spelled in English as "Ange". See http://www.atlus.co.jp/cs/game/ds/kad/chara/chara001.html - It would be conventionally romanized as Anju, though. WhisperToMe 00:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Relicanth, Regirock

Avoid erasing any words for no reason

Relicanth, Regirock

I've given some info, which is by no means a GAME GUIDE

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Final Fantasy Limit's Page

Hey someone started the FFVII Limit breaks, I just finished it up, that all it was. 02:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)~Brandon

Good catch on Charizard.

Yes, I was trying to fool you. All in the good spirit of anarchy, of course. :D

A while back, somebody canned the article about my comic that had existed for over two months without question just because they didn't agree with a forum policy of mine. So, sometimes I can't contain my rage against the system and I lash out by vandalizing Pokemon pages.

@_@

Or somehting like that. ^_^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.59.251 (talk) 06:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

...ashuu? Learn to read before entering Romaji plz

Excuse me? Maybe if you'd get off that high-horse of yours, you would realize how common a typo something like "asshu" and "ashuu" is, jerk. -Crimsonseiko 03:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Shedinja

I left a message on Shedinja's talk page regarding whether a pokeball is necessary for evolution. Your input would be appreciated. Bhamv 09:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Forum

You... I was not foruming! I'm tempted to call you an idiot, but the "No Personal Attacks" is holding me back. BassxForte 06:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Not all the stages were just platforms. In Melee the Hyrule stage is not like a platform. Also The Ice Climbers was not platformish.Pendo 4 21:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Tidus's page

I understand that protagonist is more correct, but I wanted a win win situation for everyone, so I combined hero and protagonist. The reader can see a word that they are familiar with and click on the link to see what a protagonist is. (To be honest, I never heard of the word until I encountered a situation exactly like it on the Zelda page and I want to pass it around.) I hope you understand. -Eileen-

Denzi

http://h1.ripway.com/Sketch/PocketMonstersDP/dpglsugimori.jpg

Yep, I was kind of thrown off by it too....it was found on Bulbagarden here: http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?p=332110#post332110 -Sukecchi 20:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Signing others’ posts

LOL... In my opinion, it’s pretty obvious what’s happening in this edit, which you reverted here. He’s signing his sockpuppet’s post. Personally, I suspect that all the new, no-user-page editors in the Nospillet/Magnufo conflicts are the same person. I’m not suggesting that we need to do anything about it, yet. Just letting you know what I think, and that I’m not sure the reversion was the right thing. --WikidSmaht (talk) 15:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I love your edits.

I was wondering if we could become friends? Nevermind that idiotcy that I made on the Porygon2 article, I was new on that time. Now I know what to put in articles. Well, I know you don't responde to comments here but could you try? TheBlazikenMaster 22:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, buddy.

First of all, I know the difference between Hiragana, Katakana, and Kanji. The episode titles contain, usually, a mixture of Katakana and Kanji. I don't have Japanese language support on my work computer (where I usually am), so I can't tell which particular episode titles had just Katakana or included some Kanji, and even so, I was editing for a variety of episodes which could some have had Kanji and some not... and in such limited space on the editing notes, "Kanji" seemed a more suitable "round-up" term than anything I thought of at the time.

Regardless of my knowledge on Japanese symbols, what place do you have to be condescending about such a minor detail in the editing? Whether or not I understand the damn difference has no relation whatsoever to the particular edit: the usage of those "dots" was the sole subject of those edits. I don't care how endowed you are with the Japanese language; quit being so arrogant. I'm not here to push any kind of inaccurate information on the internet, or to have conflicts with other users. I don't blindly add/omit/edit articles for kicks. I contribute to Misplaced Pages to try and spread valid, thorough information, and having someone constantly shove in my face how much more they know than me is very discerning. I'm here to help, so stop prodding me. It's not a competition.

Second, if you're going to enforce the "dot/space" rule in the episode title translations, then be consistent. War-Rock's name is written with the same dot, yet his name appears throughout the article hyphenated. If you're going to change my edits, then his name should be changed for the exact same reason.

-Crimsonseiko 00:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Those of _____’s

About this edit... note where you say “Its legs are like those of Roselia's as well”. NO. To make the Roselia possessive, say “like those of Roselia”, or, preferably just “like Roselia’s”. Saying “like that/those of _______’s” is redundant. In other words: WRONGVERYBADDON’TDOIT. EVER. This particular grammatical atrocity pervades the Pokémon articles. I am NOT blaming you for its prevalence, but in the article in question it was easy to find the perpetrator. I beseech you, strike this hideous anomaly from your composition. If you see it anywhere, wrought by yourself or another, eliminate it. And if it springs from another’s hand, please pass along this lecture, that we may eradicate this horror for all time. --WikidSmaht (talk) on Floramage’s talk page 07:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, hello. Regarding your add to my talk page, I would gladly have changed that grammatical error much earlier had someone mentioned it. I thank you for that, yet I am shocked by your sharp-tongued and slighlty - scratch that - downright rude method of expressing your reason. Perpetrator? You make it sound as though an accidental error in my grammar were a horrendous crime! Surely, you are not perfect; of course, neither am I. If it bothered you so to this degree, then say something, but say it kindly. Still, I will do my best as a Wikipedian to do all I can to make the Pokémon articles the best they can be. Good day. --Floramage! on WikidSmaht’s talk page 16:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hm-hm! Seems I missed the mark on that one, eh? I apologize for my attitude; not very Kind Campaign of me, was it? Well, anyways, thank you for correcting me, and good day. --Floramage! on WikidSmaht’s talk page 19:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that I offended you with what I said. The overdramatic approach was meant to convey some humor, but obviously it failed, perhaps having been influenced by my negative reactions to one of my newest and most severe English-language pet peeves. --WikidSmaht (talk) 04:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, what the fuck are you talking about in this edit? It is NOT fine, “that/those of (a) ______’s” is redundant. Saying “those of ______” already makes the noun( which I have left blank in this case) possessive. Adding the apostrophe and letter s, then, is unnecessary, and, more to the point, completely wrong. To be explicit:

• “like those of a Roselia’s” WRONG
  
• “like those of Roselia’s” WRONG
  
• “like those of Roselia” OK, but awkward
  
• “like those of a Roselia” acceptable, but not what I would use in that case
  
• “like a Roselia’s” RIGHT, though perhaps not fitting in that context
  
• “like Roselia’s” RIGHT
  

Please do not encourage bad grammar. --WikidSmaht (talk) 02:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Any need to be such an asshole about it?—ウルタプ on WikidSmaht’s talk page 02:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, I really don’t see what was uncivil, and I am sorry you took umbrage at what I said. I attempted to be clear and concise. I was not rude, insulting, or condescending. Perhaps it is a difference in perception... Note that I did not, and would not swear at you or call you names... I do not consider swearing just for emphasis to be uncivil, and therefore make no effort to censor myself. No offense was intended by my use of the word “fuck”. --WikidSmaht (talk) 04:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Urutapu, is this guy for real? I truly believe that the edit in question is perfectly fine! Do you agree with me? I'm all for correct usage of grammar, but I am very sure that this is correct! Also, do you know how someone can earn a "barnstar"? Floramage! 03:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It's kind of ridiculous just how he had to fly off the handle over two characters.
And you just have to..make good edits to get stars, I guess. I got my Pokémon one for what I can only assume is fixing all the grammar, spelling and terminology corrections no one really cares to do.—ウルタプ on Floramage’s talk page 03:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It really is ridiculous. I don't remember how, but now I'm caught in an edit war with him. I'm sure he won't give up, either. His persistance is admirable. Hm-hm! Floramage! 03:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

ARRRRGH You guys are really trying my patience on this issue. OK, let me attempt another way of explaining it. Please do not mistake this as condescending, I am merely trying to teach, and in this case attempting to be as clear as possible since I utterly failed to convey the lesson in my previous comments.

Let us examine the sentence “Its legs are like those of Roselia’s.”. This sentence contains several ambiguities - all of which are perfectly acceptable in English, but for clarity in this lesson, it is best to eliminate them. We will begin by replacing pronouns with the nouns they represent, specifically: the posessive pronoun “Its” is standing in for “Roserade’s”, and the pronoun “those” is standing in for “the legs”.

So, making those changes, the sentence becomes “Roserade’s legs are like the legs of Roselia’s.”. Roselia’s what? Because it is implied, it is not necessary to spell it out when writing, but, again, for the purpose of this lesson, it is better to be explicit. So, “Roselia’s” becomes “Roselia’s legs.”

And there we have it. When you fully spell out all the abbreviated and omitted elements, “Its legs are like those of Roselia’s.” actually means “Roserade’s legs are like the legs of Roselia’s legs.”. As you can see, this is incorrect, because you are trying to make a comparison to the legs of a Roselia, not to its legs’ legs, and, in fact, the legs of a Roselia do not have legs of their own.

Applying the same rules to the correct versions, we can say “Its legs are like those of Roselia.”, which would mean “Roserade’s legs are like the legs of Roselia.”, or we can say “Its legs are like Roselia’s.” which would mean “Roserade’s legs are like Roselia’s legs.”. But we can NOT combine the two, as that results in redundancy, and a fallacy as well.

I hope that this time I have finally been successful in helping you to understand. --WikidSmaht (talk) 04:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S.: I know my punctuation is non-standard, that is conscious and intentional. Note that I only use my personal punctuation rules on talk pages, in articles I use standard punctuation. If I do use non-standard punctuation in an article, it is usually a typo, so you should feel free to correct it. --WikidSmaht (talk)

Roxas cutscene vs. boss

The reason I keep putting it in the article is because it's noticeable enough about him, furthermore i'm putting it in the section about Roxas, not Roxas's stroy sub-section, if you look at the screenshots you can clearly see that the fight against him has turned into a boss battle, if you take it out, i'm just gonna keep putting it back in anyway. BassxForte 23:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Saying that the orginization members from chain of memories can be fought again in KHII Final Mix+ on the kingdom hearts II disk does not have enough importance to be in the article, Roxas is diffrent though, Roxas could not actually be fought in the original version of KHII, yet suddenly we can fight him, this definitly is noticeable enough to get a mention in the article, which is all i'm trying to do. BassxForte 23:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Roxas is a unique member of XIII in all this, as I said earlier the return of the chain of memories isn't importent enough to get a mention, if their return is story-lined in some way it will be mentioned in the article. BassxForte 23:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I was reffering to the fact that I gather from the screenshots their going to be battled in the Hades Colsiem (please forgive my spelling), if we just fight them then it won't be mentioned in the article, if before Sora fights them theirs some storyline to it regarding how they came back it will be noticeable enough to be in the article. BassxForte 23:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... I was reffering to the COM guys (and gal) who look to be returning, although it's unknown if their return will be storylined, as for Roxas, the article could say he will be a boss encounter in the new version, then once the game is released we can mention his fighting style, judgeing from the screenshots he seems to be fighting very aggressivly, but it would be wrong to out that in the article before the game came out. BassxForte 23:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyway... i'm going to keep putting it back if you keep deleting, but i'm not going to continue this discussion, we probably won't come to an agreement anway. BassxForte 00:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)