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Cancer update - being offered palliative care (chemo), incurable

I'll see an oncologist in a couple of weeks to discuss chemo and to ask about my prognosis. Exercising as much as I can but mainly on my treadmill, 3 times a day for a mile so each time, only about 2mph. Calf muscles are the main problem, doing exercises prescribed by a physiotherapist. But not walking outside as the painful calf and thigh muscles don't go away and as I've twice had to stop and call for a pickup, safer to stay inside, especially with my Parkinson's. I'll soldier on! Doug Weller talk 16:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

• Well, that sucks. I'm sorry to hear that. --Yamla (talk) 16:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Keep soldiering on, and know that lots of us here are rooting for you! --Tryptofish (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Very sorry to hear this - all best wishes. Johnbod (talk) 17:10, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oh Doug. I dont have the words. Roxy the dog 17:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• God bless Doug, hope you know how many people are blessed to at least call you an internet friend, and Im sure many more offline. nableezy - 17:19, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, my best wishes in this journey. I'm not good at dealing with this shit. How I can identify with "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." We older dudes feel the pull of destiny, and it ain't pretty. Just make life comfortable. Don't overdo anything, even the exercise (and I'm a PT). Moderation in all things. You don't have to drink the whole bottle of OZV Zinfandel in one sitting, but do enjoy the finer things in life. Good wine, truffles, chocolate, books, movies, whatever. Now is the time to aim for quality, not quantity/longevity. Hang in there brother. Feel free to email me.
  When dealing with my own cancer ordeal, I often resorted to gallows humor. The staff in ICU and ER were especially understanding. I'd say: "I'm going to get "CC & DNR" tattooed on my chest." -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• You will defeat this, Doug. Keeping you in my thoughts. GoodDay (talk) 17:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• And from another PT, now long retired; bless you Doug, and Valjean is right. Enjoy what life brings. Haploidavey (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Stay strong and hang in there, man. Sending you all the good vibes I can muster (hey, WP:FRINGE or not, it can't hurt, lol). Heiro 17:59, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Thanks for sharing this, Doug. Sorry to hear that. You're in my thoughts. ButlerBlog (talk) 18:13, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Sorry DW. Hoping for the best possible news at your next oncologist visit. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• I think it is most important at some point to just enjoy the moment as much as you can and to enjoy life in general as it goes on, without trying to determine how long it will go on for, since that determination is really out of our hands, no? In other words, the life we live, I believe, has to be good and enjoyable for a long as it goes on. That is the most important, in my view. Hoping this may help a bit somehow, I wish you also much strength and courage in the jouney ahead. warshy 18:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• What Tryp said. I was down in your ^former neck of the woods just recently for the first time as an adult. Got to see a wild alligator for the first time, along with some other fauna. Miami-Dade is one of the best places in the country for birds - I imagine you can see quite a lot out your window, compared to here in NY? At least here there's a zoo across the street. The only animal it has is a dog, though. It's a pretty shih-tzu. — Rhododendrites \\ 19:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks. But I live in Derbyshire now, having gone to England in 1970 and not returning (except of course for vacations, family visits, etc. When I was a young boy there was a sub-tropical jungle behind the houses across the road, complete with possums, snakes, banyan trees, and of course alligators down by the Miami river. Played there a lot with a boy named John Christmas (whose mother was named Mary). Doug Weller talk 08:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

  Was John any relation to Randy Christmas (probably too young to be John's father)? I remember that Randy Christmas had a daughter named Merrie. Donald Albury 15:56, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think so - I've done a search and there's no indication that he was. Doug Weller talk 16:48, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

  Ah, sorry, I think I knew that but was thrown off by a userbox. Fewer gators in Derbyshire, I reckon. The banyan trees were incredible. The first one I saw was in Palm Beach, where they are ubiquitous and strangler figs make for ripe metaphor. :) As for Christmas, I know it was pretty uncommon then for women to keep their name when getting married, but Mary Christmas?? Hard no. Lots of names you can't have with that surname: Mary, Wyatt, Eve, Nicholas/Claus, Carol... There's a name I hear on Fox News every December, over and over. Must be a seasonal anchor or something: Theresa Warren-Christmas. — Rhododendrites \\ 21:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

• Doug, I've so appreciated you sharing this part of your life with us. You've been in my thoughts and I'm sad to hear you're talking about palliative care. Whatever decisions you make in the days and weeks ahead, I know they will be ones that have been deeply thought through and which will reflect the way you've lived your life. I'm just glad that we continue to have your presence here onwiki. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Barkeep49 manages to say clearly what I couldn't figure out how to type. DMacks (talk) 19:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Perfectly said. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Absolutely. DeCausa (talk) 20:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

  Barkeep49 has put it very well. Moneytrees below is also absolutely correct - amongst the very best of us. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers Doug. I appreciate the gift of sharing that yiou are giving each one of us. MarnetteD|Talk 19:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Hi Doug Weller! Not much one can say in these situations that hasn't already been said and that hasn't already occurred to you (several Big Bad Words spring readily to mind...). Hopefully it'll be kinda nice to reflect on how many people are thinking of you and that in some way you've made a difference to all the people who know you personally, as well as to the Misplaced Pages project and to the rest of us who are used to seeing your edits while we're sorta amiably faffing around this neck of the woods. Big Virtual Hug, --Technopat (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• I cannot think of any better way to express my support than to second what Barkeep49 said. Whether your philosophy on cancer is to fight it, treat it like a chronic degenerative condition, or just embrace not-give-a-fuckism, please know that I and all the others commenting here support you and wish for the best possible outcomes. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:15, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, thank you for all the work that you have done for Misplaced Pages. Thank you for being willing to make tough decisions. Thank you for keeping us informed about your illness. Thanks for being you. Cullen328 (talk) 20:23, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• I can't find the words to express how the wonderful support from you all and others now and in the past has meant to me. It will help me sleep well tonight. Ironically the thought of cancer itself rarely affects my sleep, it's only the effect on others and right now wondering how I will be able to die with dignity - at a time I choose and where I choose that costs me sleep at times. In the UK you aren't allowed to die with dignity. So if I can't die at home with my wife I'm thinking that when the time comes - and I am going to try to make that a few years from now - I may be able to take one last holiday with my wife somewhere that I can die with dignity. Doug Weller talk 21:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I'm always glad to see your signature on a talk page or to find your name in a contribution history, however old, and that will carry on as long as I'm editing. Now you're giving us even more reasons to be grateful. I hope you take every holiday you want! Thank you. NebY (talk) 22:50, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• My best wishes. Keep up the good fight. Donald Albury 21:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I'm sorry to read this news. I hope you are able to have your wishes. I was always taught to get it in writing and to get a second opinion. I've also heard a lot of interesting things about the new treatments nowadays like CAR-T cells and immunotherapy, IANAD, but it's a shame and saddening to read this even without a lot of details. Anyway, we don't know each other well but I just wanted to say it's always been a pleasure to interact with you on here and I wish you the best, and will fondly remember your work on Misplaced Pages. Andre🚐 23:29, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Doug, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I'm hoping for the best, and I'm keeping you in my prayers. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Doug, I'm also very sorry to hear this! Springee (talk) 16:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't know ya, but I'm very sorry to hear of this. If you do die, tell Stan Lee we miss him, aight? I like Astatine (Talk to me) 21:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

January songs

• Doug, I meant to wish you a happy new year and am late, and now this news - I still offer the flowers, and please share with your wife. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. That you for your years of work making this project a better place. --Guerillero 22:51, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
• Best to you Doug, hang on in their man and hope you remember the very high regard you are held to within our community; you have lead by example and have always been encouraging. Ceoil (talk) 00:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• Best wishes to you and your family, stay strong -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 01:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, you are a light to us all. I know your wife is challenged by these developments too. If you can find a place where psilocybin is legal you might find it beneficial. Pragmatic Trials of psilocybin therapy in palliative care are ongoing in California. All the best. Carlstak (talk) 02:25, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
  • PS: clinical pharmacologist Roland Griffiths has done a lot of research along these lines. Carlstak (talk) 02:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
  • I can second the shrooms. We always called them sillycybin. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 04:12, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

  Not legal in the UK! Doug Weller talk 08:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

  Ah, that's a shame. I would never try to talk you into anything, Doug, but even Texas (!) has legalized psychedelic medical research. Aldous Huxley's wife Laura gave him an injection of LSD-25 at his request as he lay on his death bed. That's how I want to go, but not with an injection. Mushrooms would work, too. Carlstak (talk) 01:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I don't know about you, but I don't see any police. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  And liberty caps, among the most potent of the psilocybin-containing mushrooms, are plentiful in England. Carlstak (talk) 02:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  They are indeed - I remember when one of my stepsons found some! Doug Weller talk 09:32, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Doug, best wishes from all of us. Johnuniq (talk) 02:29, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• Wildflowers for you, friend. Because I don't have the words to express my feelings. Generalrelative (talk) 03:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

• You've been an inspiration, Doug, and you continue to be one in the way you're facing this. – Joe (talk) 06:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
  • That is how I feel too. Thanks Doug for being you. Llll5032 (talk) 08:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Echoing everyone above. You're an icon. DatGuy_Contribs 09:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• An icon and an inspiration. Thanks for sharing this with us - it makes me feel that WP is not only a source of information, but also a community. You are surely in my thoughts and prayers. Rsk6400 (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

• The day you get an entry added to the "List of deceased Wikipedians" will be one of the saddest days this website will have seen in a long time. I hope whatever time you have left is free of pain, and that you are able to die with the dignity that you deserve. Thanks for everything you've contributed to Misplaced Pages over the years. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

This is really all I wanted to say to Doug too, but it is expressed by you here in much better form and style. Thank you! warshy 20:18, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

• Doug, I see that you have about 70 subpages in your userspace, including a number of drafts in various stages. Is there anything in particular you'd like help getting finished and moved to mainspace? BD2412 T 22:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• Hi Doug. Like everyone else, I am very sorry to hear that. Misplaced Pages will be a poorer place when you have to go. Dudley Miles (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, you're one of the editors I most respect, and seeing how your handling this makes my respect even greater. As has been said above, I hope you enjoy your life without pain and go on your own terms with dignity. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:01, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, devastating to read this, and I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said so well by other above. I've always found you to be a rock here on Misplaced Pages, and your tireless and immensely helpful efforts are very much appreciated. Jeppiz (talk) 01:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I wish you the best, and hope that you will experience as little pain as possible. starship.paint (exalt) 08:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I will never forget all the times you gave me support and advices in my previous iteration. Thank you for this and for making WP a better place. I can only wish you all the best. K. Lone-078 (talk) 09:41, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Run through a comprehensive list of expletives, dear Doug, and that will sum up my feelings on seeing this bitter news. I am deeply moved by your references to your wife. As many of us will know from experience, it is what we manage to say to each other, brightly under strain, in reviewing a shared past, that tasks our minds in such terrible situations. I am assured that in planning for what future remains (the months and years will be, ineludibly, seamed with an elegiac tone of finality), you will work to ensure that your spouse will have many more memories to add to those of your rich life together as you also find time, with your characteristic donative generosity, to patch with further quilts of tender recall the hard ledges of survival for the other victim here who will, prospectively, grasp for them if or when they find themselves forced to endure the icy rockface of widowhood.

Before posting this, I took a Persian nap (Herodotus), worried it might sound intolerably pompous, intrusive and rhetorical, rather than spontaneous. Two dreams, in one of which you figure as a lone archaeologist probing a dark desert for spoors of a lost past, and the other where you emerge as a Virgilian cicerone as I stumbled along native bushland. On waking, I thought ‘what the fuck’. Hang in there, whatever. As others have noted, remarkable things can crop up in science. There’s always hope.Nishidani (talk) 17:31, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what a Persian nap is, but one thing I really want to give to Misplaced Pages is a new article (I have written only a handful at most) and have started a draft at User:Doug Weller/Racism in pseudoarchaeology. I'm getting tremendous help from some knowledgeable folks at the Facebook group Fraudulent Archaeology Wall of Shame. I've been putting this off for a long time but all the wonderful people above have made me feel I must get it done. Doug Weller talk 17:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Herodotus 1:133. I can't give you a Perseus link because my main computer crashed weeks ago, and accessing anything from this minor one, antiquated but minimally functional, is nigh impossible. I'll bookmark that project and recommend to others here that they also do so and help where possible.Nishidani (talk) 18:01, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Writing new articles is the most fun part of this project (and one that I don't spend enough time doing). This isn't in my area of subject-matter expertise, but let me be the first to volunteer if you want a second pair of eyes for copyediting, formatting and the like - just let me know. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• So sorry to hear this. Best wishes, and keeping you in my thoughts. Thanks for all you have done and continue to do. DanCherek (talk) 20:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• I'm sorry Doug. Cancer sucks. ❤️ Sro23 (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, what a terrible thing to hear. I'm so sorry. It's said that a man never truly dies until his name is forgotten; yours will live on here in the memory of everyone on this project. With love, ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I send you my best wishes, confident that you will find the strength, courage and capacity for clear thinking that you will surely need to deal with this, just as you already have in your invaluable contributions here. Best regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Nothing I could say feels adequate. But you will be greatly missed, and I hope you are able to find some measure of happiness in the time you have left. And if there's anything Misplaced Pages-related that I can help with, don't hesitate to ask. A. Parrot (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• I've only just heard this news, Doug, and I am deeply sorry. 'Keep buggering on', as Churchill used to say when things were bad. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Jeez! All any of us can do is praise the work you've done here and (I suspect) elsewhere; and let you know how much it's been appreciated. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• You will be in my thoughts and prayers, Doug. I remember that you were one of the first administrators I ever encountered. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Only just heard of this. A terrible situation but I know you'll face it with strength. Please take some strength from the rest of us. Reach out to the community if you need anything even if it's just moral support. Canterbury Tail talk 12:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I felt the need the last few days to jump on here and get an update from you but the weather had not allowed for this. It has not diminished my thoughts towards you and as I was able to get on I came here to see this. My heart is heavy with the fact you are still suffering so much through pain in your body but I am inspired by your journey at the same time. Your courage, your strength, your tenacity are all indescribable. Your Song is such a beautiful melody and I believe there are lyrics yet to be written that will have such a lasting legacy and be inspirational to so many. That may be a Misplaced Pages article or perhaps your wisdom passed on to listening ears desiring to grasp on to the depth of knowledge you have accumulated throughout your life. One thing is certain. You have made a lasting impact and you continue to do so with every breath taken. My hope, my morning songs are for many more days of impact here with us. You are incredible as an editor and an amazing human being. You are an integral part of my daily thoughts. I am beyond honored to know you in even this limited capacity. I count it such a blessing to have even the smallest interaction with you. May my words be an encouragement to you like so many others mentioned here and may you find strength to continue "soldiering on" as you put it. I call it the Color Green, surviving, yes, but finding a way to thrive despite the circumstances. Take that and let it feed life into your Song. May the Color Green fill and flood you, my friend. --ARoseWolf 15:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I have some experience of what you are going through. I have no words, except to say you are in my thoughts and I do hope things go better for you. As ever, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Love, peace, and comfort to you, Doug. - CorbieVreccan ☼ 20:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Sorry to hear this Doug. Best luck anyway, things could be uncurable but still stay for very long. Just do whatever you find comfortable.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
• Just saw this, and wanted to add my name to those who will be thinking of you, and hoping for the best. You're most definitely one of the best admins here, and I appreciate your keeping your hand in as much as possible. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
• Doug, I'm sorry to hear this. Stay strong, and I hope things go better for you. Tails Wx 21:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• I'm so sorry to hear this, Doug. Sending my thoughts and best wishes as ever. ser! 04:21, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• So sorry to hear this news, Doug. I have no words, but wishing you peace and comfort, and know that you will be in my thoughts. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
• Hi, I realize we've interacted under questionable circumstances, since I don't quite fit in to the culture here. But, you seem alright, and I wish you the best of luck that your circumstance permits (whether that's more years of life, or a painless, dignified end, whatever the fates decree). I should know what it's like to deal with a rare, deadly medical condition -- at least in my case, I've got a cocktail of meds to commute my would-be death sentence. Godspeed! Xcalibur (talk) 04:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks. May as much as 1 or 2 years if I am very lucky. Doug Weller talk 12:20, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

  Very sad to hear all these! Am only praying to God for some sort of miracle! Take care. Ekdalian (talk) 07:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

• Hang in there, Doug, and more than ever, do what gives you pleasure. I hope some part of that includes your contributions here–pretty sure it is–but take care of number one, regardless. I have benefited enormously from your thoughts and interventions in the past, and selfishly, I hope to do so still, for as long as is feasible. We all have a limited time left, we just don't feel it quite as keenly. Times like this make me think about it, though. You're much in my thoughts. Mathglot (talk) 02:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Talk:American Thinker

Hi @Doug Weller! I was on the fence as to whether remove or keep the recent short tirade about "censorship" on Talk:American Thinker and am glad you did; I actually removed it and then reverted myself given it was the talk page and not the actual article. As someone committed to keeping the quality of articles high and exchanges civil, but with editing experience of only 2 or so years and a lot to learn still, I am quite happy to know page patrolling does in fact extend to talk pages. Ppt91 (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Ppt91 Thanks. Most talk page headers explain this. Doug Weller talk 19:30, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Right, I guess this was my very long way of saying that your action clarified WP:NOTESSAY in the context of talk page topics. Anyway, thanks again. Ppt91 (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Glad to be of help. Forum/chatroom posts can be a problem and too often include personal ayyacks etc. Doug Weller talk 20:12, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Doug, you're a legend and we all appreciate your great work. Andre🚐 21:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

• I certainly want to endorse this one! Thank you Doug, and thank you Andrevan! warshy 21:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

How do you keep an eye on so many edits at same time?

I mean so many edits occur at same time how do you do that??? and how to remove these irritating “mobile edit” “advanced mobile edit” etc tags. RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 14:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

i too want to be like you 😁 RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 14:14, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

If you want to be like Doug, first of all stop calling good faith edits with a clear rationale in the edit summary "vandalism". –Austronesier (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

User talk: Gamaliel

Hi,

User talk: Gamaliel has been semi-protected indefinitely since 2016. Time to drop the protection? Politrukki (talk) 00:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@Politrukki Why ask me and not User:Gamaliel? Doug Weller talk 08:06, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Why avoid the question? Are you going to dismiss the request as the protecting admin without explanation? Perhaps you have a perfectly valid reason for the protection that I know nothing about. Politrukki (talk) 10:56, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@PolitrukkiI'm not the one avoiding the question- your response has avoided my question. In fact it's something Gamaliell can do himself, so ask him to remove it. Please don't bother me again with something he can do. Doug Weller talk 12:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Allah as a lunar deity

Hello. Considering this assertion was evidently false, and the scholars confirmed it, it's essential to enlighten readers on that. You may use "inaccurately" "incorrectly" or "erroneously", but, it's not in any way unencyclopedic to acknowledge the fact. StarkReport (talk) 09:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@StarkReport This is for the talk page please. Doug Weller talk 11:12, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Impartial/Unbiased

I removed unverified opinion, I didn't add anything, I substituted subjective language with objective language where I added anything, and I get threatened with a ban? You can ban these nuts bitch. As far as I'm concerned if Misplaced Pages continues to be a source moderated completely by left leaning and even far left nut jobs and ignorant assholes, I'll keep on removing things that are NOT NEUTRAL. By threatening me for removing things that are neutral and then claiming that I'm violating Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy, you act just like they do and as far as I'm concerned if that's the case you can kiss my ass. I did not in this case nor have I ever added my personal analysis or commentary into articles. Bye Pizzaman10383 (talk) 03:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)