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== Libertarianism and vaccines ==
I know what I just did may seem to have been an edit war but it was an edit conflict mistake. I was trying to clean up mistakes I left behind in the article. I will avoid doing that again.] (]) 20:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


:{{re|Somenolife}} I did edit conflict with you, fixing the mistakes in the cites is fine, the only reason I said you were edit warring was because you changed the title back to "vaccine safety reporting". 20:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Above, TC writes
::Sorry, I wasn't accusing you of creating a conflict, only that I was not trying to do so with you. I hit the "edit conflict" page and use the back page to get my edits back, then hit submit which reverted the new title you put up.] (]) 20:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:::I know you weren't accusing me of creating a conflict, I did the same thing with the edit conflict button, I understand now. ] (]) 20:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
::::So I have seen that you have removed most of the content I added, which confuses me. Outside of the UMass Twitter account, everything I added was reported by her in interviews that she had with various individuals; why were none of those valid?] (]) 20:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Somenolife}} Misplaced Pages is supposed to use secondary sources, especially for controversial claims, so just referencing someone's website for info on something controversial she said is not good. ] (]) 20:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::I certainly understand the problem is 'she' said it, but in the interviews, those being interviewed are the ones making the claim. Dr. Bernadine Healy flatly says that she believed the medical officials working for the US federal government were being "too quick to dismiss the hypothesis" that vaccination could cause autism in a subset of children, as I quoted in the article. I am also confused by the removal of the Full Measure article; though she is associated with it, she doesn't have full control of the show, AFAIK. Wouldn't a report by Anderson Cooper on his show be just as valid for his talk page?] (]) 20:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


== Michael Beasley ==
:"I have libertarian-leaning political views, so I don't think vaccination should be mandatory in most cases. The fact that so many pro-vaccine people act like being against vaccine requirements is that same thing as being antivax, and that antivaxers use libertarian talking points, confused me into thinking of antivaxers as more and more reasonable, but I eventually realized (I wish I realized this sooner) that regardless of my agreement with their politics, the science is all wrong. This is why I am hesitant to label groups antivax without clear evidence that they are actually antivax, not just libertarian, because in my experience, the conflation of libertarianism with antivax can lead people into believing antivax misinformation"


I was editing Michael Beasley's profile and I was just providing straight facts, none of the information I provided was invalid. You gave me a level two warning and said I will be banned soon.
Who owns the children?


:You were blatantly vandalizing wikipedia, do it again and I tell an admin to block you. ] (]) 03:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Someone who values property right above all, else might respond by saying that children are in fact owned by
their parents until such time as they achieve adulthood, and that, as property, children may be treated by their
parents as the parents see fit. Besides the obvious problems of defining adulthood and dealing with two parents who disagree, this view implies that eating babies, keeping children in cages or selling them into slavery is OK. This is a problem. There are places in this world where parents do sell children -- especially daughters -- into slavery. That being said, this could work in some cultures. Under Roman law the father had the right of life and death over his children, but what actually happened was that on a regular basis these fathers gave their lives to protect their children.


== Scout MLG ==
A hardcore statist might respond by saying that children are owned by the state. Sort of "it takes a village to raise a child" on steroids. This also has been tried by various totalitarian dictatorships, and the results were not pretty. Do we really want to raise children the way the Spartans did? The Taliban say ].


Are you still ? Looking at , there seems to be a lot issues popping up again. They could end up at ANI again and/or blocked. FYI {{small|(pinging {{u|Swarm}})}} - ] 17:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Although I know of exactly nobody who believes this, one might argue that children own themselves and are free to do as they please as long as they don't hurt others. Anyone who has dealt with a baby who really ''really'' wants to put razor blades in their mouth will see the problem with this view. A related issue is adults who are mentally incapable of taking care of themselves (severe retardation, advanced Alzheimers). Do they own themselves? Is a person with severe dementia free to leave the nursing home and walk out into busy traffic?


:Thank you for reminding me, I'll take a look ] (])
While these are all interesting moral and ethical questions, what I am actually seeing among antivaxers is a lot more self-serving. They don't like vaccines, so they say it is the parent's right to choose whether their children are vaccinated. They don't like slavery, so they say it is the state's right to choose whether children can be sold into slavery. --] (]) 17:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


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:{{re|Guy Macon}} I don't thing it's right not to vaccinate your kids, but I think it sets a dangerous precedent for the government to force any medical treatment on a population, the only thing to do (in my opinion, and I don't want to bias[REDACTED] toward any opinion) is to try to inform people so that they will voluntarily vaccinate their children. And I agree re antivaxers pretending to be libertarians, I find this trend quite frustrating. ] (]) 17:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


hi, TC, i want ask how can i join CVU unit (Counter-Vandalism Unit) as well counter-vandalism training program? ] (]) 23:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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:{{yo|Scout MLG}} To be honest I know nothing about the counter-vandalism training program, the CVU userbox I have is just a way of saying I stop vandalism.
Hello, I noticed the above artice ] was PROD for deletion by you because of a lack of sources. I have since now added a source under his appointment as Glasgow Clan head coach. The ref reads Braehead Clan but the appointment was made before they re-branded as Glasgow Clan. Please review the article with the ref and report back regarding acceptability asap. ] (]) 21:00, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


:{{re|Tay87}}I'm glad you added a ref, but you need refs for everything in the article, not just this one fact, let me know if you have any questions. ] (]) 21:05, 19 January 2019 (UTC) :EDIT: I just looked at the counter-vandalism training page and it says you should understand more of the basics of editing before starting training ] (]) 23:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


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::{{re|Tornado chaser}} Well in regards to my role, the tag stated that all bios “must have at least one source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article”, in my case being Clan head coach, and that “once the article has at least one reliable source, you may remove this tag”, which I did and reported it to you for review. If it at least stops the article being deleted in due course, I'm satisfied. As for refs, I may have Great Britain covered as well as Braehead but everything else will be a piece of work. I have so far found two refs for Russell LEAVING MK Lighting but nothing on him being appointed as yet. ] (]) 21:51, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


Hi, TC, I sudden saw request for adminship (RFA) but, how can I be admin (Self-nominations) candidate? thank you ] (]) 04:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
==New Section==
I know what I just did may seem to have been an edit war but it was an edit conflict mistake. I was trying to clean up mistakes I left behind in the article. I will avoid doing that again.] (]) 20:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


:{{re|Scout MLG}} You need to really understand wikipedia's policies well, and have years of experience, I have been editing for 2 years, have made 23,000 edits, have been granted rollback and pending changes reviewer rights without asking, but still am not planning to run for adminship anytime soon. I don't mean this in a condescending way, but anyone who has to ask how to be an admin is at least 2-3 years away from having a chance at it, there are editors who have been on[REDACTED] for 10 years but still aren't admins. ] (]) 17:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Somenolife}} I did edit conflict with you, fixing the mistakes in the cites is fine, the only reason I said you were edit warring was because you changed the title back to "vaccine safety reporting". 20:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
::Sorry, I wasn't accusing you of creating a conflict, only that I was not trying to do so with you. I hit the "edit conflict" page and use the back page to get my edits back, then hit submit which reverted the new title you put up.] (]) 20:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:::I know you weren't accusing me of creating a conflict, I did the same thing with the edit conflict button, I understand now. ] (]) 20:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
::::So I have seen that you have removed most of the content I added, which confuses me. Outside of the UMass Twitter account, everything I added was reported by her in interviews that she had with various individuals; why were none of those valid?] (]) 20:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Somenolife}} Misplaced Pages is supposed to use secondary sources, especially for controversial claims, so just referencing someone's website for info on something controversial she said is not good. ] (]) 20:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::I certainly understand the problem is 'she' said it, but in the interviews, those being interviewed are the ones making the claim. Dr. Bernadine Healy flatly says that she believed the medical officials working for the US federal government were being "too quick to dismiss the hypothesis" that vaccination could cause autism in a subset of children, as I quoted in the article. I am also confused by the removal of the Full Measure article; though she is associated with it, she doesn't have full control of the show, AFAIK. Wouldn't a report by Anderson Cooper on his show be just as valid for his talk page?] (]) 20:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


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I was editing Michael Beasley's profile and I was just providing straight facts, none of the information I provided was invalid. You gave me a level two warning and said I will be banned soon.


Hi, TC, recently I feel somekind of concern:<br>
:You were blatantly vandalizing wikipedia, do it again and I tell an admin to block you. ] (]) 03:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
I mean in future, if some bad (vandalism) wiki user is getting blocked but still can edit by somekind of hacking tool, then, what should we do? ] (]) 12:34, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

:If they are actually hacking, this is an issue for the technical people and perhaps law enforcement, but I have never herd of the on wikipedia. WHat is more likly is that they will create a new account or edit on a different IP to evade the block, this is not hacking but ], and is grounds for a block on all accounts or IPs used by the blocked user, and usually an extension of the block.

:Socking can be a confusing thing for a new user to deal with, so I recommend letting me know if you suspect socking and I can file a sockpuppet report if it is warranted. let me know if you have any more questions. ] (]) 03:34, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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== Stephon Clark shooting August 2018 Change ==

Hi Tornado Chaser,

I realize this is a massively late response to your message but I think there's been an IP address issue? I've only ever personally changed a couple minor articles, usually to update referenced court cases when there's a newly available published Supreme Court Case result, and I haven't personally heard of the Stephon Clark shooting until literally today. Is it possible my ip address was used by somebody else formerly at this address or using a VPN or somesuch? Regardless, thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages!

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I know what I just did may seem to have been an edit war but it was an edit conflict mistake. I was trying to clean up mistakes I left behind in the article. I will avoid doing that again.Somenolife (talk) 20:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

@Somenolife: I did edit conflict with you, fixing the mistakes in the cites is fine, the only reason I said you were edit warring was because you changed the title back to "vaccine safety reporting". 20:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't accusing you of creating a conflict, only that I was not trying to do so with you. I hit the "edit conflict" page and use the back page to get my edits back, then hit submit which reverted the new title you put up.Somenolife (talk) 20:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
I know you weren't accusing me of creating a conflict, I did the same thing with the edit conflict button, I understand now. Tornado chaser (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
So I have seen that you have removed most of the content I added, which confuses me. Outside of the UMass Twitter account, everything I added was reported by her in interviews that she had with various individuals; why were none of those valid?Somenolife (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
@Somenolife: Misplaced Pages is supposed to use secondary sources, especially for controversial claims, so just referencing someone's website for info on something controversial she said is not good. Tornado chaser (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
I certainly understand the problem is 'she' said it, but in the interviews, those being interviewed are the ones making the claim. Dr. Bernadine Healy flatly says that she believed the medical officials working for the US federal government were being "too quick to dismiss the hypothesis" that vaccination could cause autism in a subset of children, as I quoted in the article. I am also confused by the removal of the Full Measure article; though she is associated with it, she doesn't have full control of the show, AFAIK. Wouldn't a report by Anderson Cooper on his show be just as valid for his talk page?Somenolife (talk) 20:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Michael Beasley

I was editing Michael Beasley's profile and I was just providing straight facts, none of the information I provided was invalid. You gave me a level two warning and said I will be banned soon.

You were blatantly vandalizing wikipedia, do it again and I tell an admin to block you. Tornado chaser (talk) 03:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Scout MLG

Are you still working with and/or keeping an eye on this user? Looking at their talk page of late, there seems to be a lot issues popping up again. They could end up at ANI again and/or blocked. FYI (pinging Swarm) - wolf 17:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for reminding me, I'll take a look Tornado chaser (talk)

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hi, TC, i want ask how can i join CVU unit (Counter-Vandalism Unit) as well counter-vandalism training program? Scout MLG (talk) 23:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Scout MLG: & TC, dont forget to sign your posts guys. - wolf 22:43, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
@Scout MLG: To be honest I know nothing about the counter-vandalism training program, the CVU userbox I have is just a way of saying I stop vandalism.
EDIT: I just looked at the counter-vandalism training page and it says you should understand more of the basics of editing before starting training Tornado chaser (talk) 23:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

How can I become Administrator

Hi, TC, I sudden saw request for adminship (RFA) but, how can I be admin (Self-nominations) candidate? thank you Scout MLG (talk) 04:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@Scout MLG: You need to really understand wikipedia's policies well, and have years of experience, I have been editing for 2 years, have made 23,000 edits, have been granted rollback and pending changes reviewer rights without asking, but still am not planning to run for adminship anytime soon. I don't mean this in a condescending way, but anyone who has to ask how to be an admin is at least 2-3 years away from having a chance at it, there are editors who have been on[REDACTED] for 10 years but still aren't admins. Tornado chaser (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I have been here over 12 years and am not an admin. I have had a couple of people urge me to run, but none of them could supply a good reason why anyone would want to become a Misplaced Pages administrator. It's a shitty, unpaid job. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:58, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, TC, recently I feel somekind of concern:
I mean in future, if some bad (vandalism) wiki user is getting blocked but still can edit by somekind of hacking tool, then, what should we do? Scout MLG (talk) 12:34, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

If they are actually hacking, this is an issue for the technical people and perhaps law enforcement, but I have never herd of the on wikipedia. WHat is more likly is that they will create a new account or edit on a different IP to evade the block, this is not hacking but socking, and is grounds for a block on all accounts or IPs used by the blocked user, and usually an extension of the block.
Socking can be a confusing thing for a new user to deal with, so I recommend letting me know if you suspect socking and I can file a sockpuppet report if it is warranted. let me know if you have any more questions. Tornado chaser (talk) 03:34, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, you left me a message about editing something on Dorking. I didn't do it, I'm in New Zealand and know little enough about the UK. Maybe you could check the IP address again and get to the right person? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.148.188.12 (talk) 02:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

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Stephon Clark shooting August 2018 Change

Hi Tornado Chaser,

I realize this is a massively late response to your message but I think there's been an IP address issue? I've only ever personally changed a couple minor articles, usually to update referenced court cases when there's a newly available published Supreme Court Case result, and I haven't personally heard of the Stephon Clark shooting until literally today. Is it possible my ip address was used by somebody else formerly at this address or using a VPN or somesuch? Regardless, thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages!

For reference, here's the content of the message I received (today):

Hello, I'm Tornado chaser. I noticed that you made one or more changes to an article, Shooting of Stephon Clark, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Tornado chaser (talk) 23:50, 7 August 2018 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.131.139 (talk)  

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Tom Reedy (talk) 02:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

"Recent change" -- from 2018???

I have no idea who you are or what the change may have been. I note that wiki's use of IP addresses to track changes is pretty worthless in the modern world where dozens of cellphone users can be sharing the same public IP in the very same minute. 172.58.12.150 (talk) 19:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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