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Citations: title transcription, approximate date

When a source has a title totally in upper case or lower case, or some words in upper case and others in lower case, is it OK to capitalize first letters (apart from the normal exceptions) or is WP's style to transcribe the title exactly how it appears?

When the source is a poster/flyer announcing an event the date may be placed in the middle of page for emphasis. Should the transcription mention it in the exact order it appears in the source or is it OK to put it at the end of the event's description?

When a publication date doesn't appear but may be obvious from another source to within a day or two how is that indicated in the citation using VirtualEditor and source editor? Mcljlm (talk) 18:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm For your first question, see MOS:T, especially the section MOS:CT, which suggests that sentence case is normally used. For your second question, I think you can (and probably should) re-order the transcription into what makes sense for our readers. The source is quoted only so they can verify the information. I don't know the answer to your third question! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:43, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

.... although in many cases the year alone would be sufficient, as the rest of the citation should supply enough information for a determined reader to find the actual source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:47, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference to the relevant MOS section Mike Turnbull. In the case which prompted my question the source - a webpage (which looks like a flyer) with details of the upcoming event - isn't dated but from a series of social media posts mentioning the upcoming event it's possible to guess the publication date within a day or so.

I'd like to include the probable date but am not sure how to do that with VE or SE. Perhaps someone will tell both of us how to do that. Mcljlm (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm If you use {{Citation}} or {{cite web}}, which would be the standard way to do this, then you have to stick with the available parameters, either |date= or |year=. If the flyer was for an event in 2023, I think that most people would be happy to use |year=2023 and not worry too much if in fact the flyer had been first published in 2022. As far as I know, there is no way to signal "this is an approximate date", and probably no need to do so. If you were lucky, you could use the Wayback Machine to see when they had first captured the flyer, which would be a possible exact date to use and which could be verified. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull The event mentioned in the source which prompted my question is the Israeli Supernova festival which ended with the 7 October massacre. The source was archived at the WM but only on 8 October. It's been archived at archive.today but only since the evening of 7 October. Presumably till then it wasn't considered significant enough to archive. An approximate date can be guessed from September Facebook posts. Mcljlm (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Remembering Mike Turnbull there are pages dealing with specific aspects of editing I found https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources and posted my date question there. You may be interested in seeing the replies at https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#Approximate_source_date. Mcljlm (talk) 04:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Dead links to noticeboards

I’m not sure if this issue has been raised before, but a lot of links to discussions in noticeboards end up being dead once the discussion is archived. There is clearly awareness of this as perm links exist, but I’ve been trying and failing to find out how to use them for half an hour (could be just me being bad at searching, of course, but other technical help pages tend to be a lot more accessible. I would appreciate if someone could point me to the relevant page). Moreover, virtually all notification templates don’t use permlinks, which means that anyone other than the immediate involved editors trying to follow a past discussion will be unable to do so. Is there something that could be done about this, such as changing templates to use permlinks when linking to noticeboard discussions, or having the bot that archives discussions also crawl the backend for links to the archived discussion and changing it to permlinks? Fermiboson (talk) 12:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

If part of your question is how to find/make a permanent link to a particular version of a page: use a link from the page history ... click on the time & date column. That'll yield something like https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Teahouse&oldid=1182629797 . --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that information, but I was more thinking about having a link redirect to the archive link once the discussion is archived. If, for example, I follow a link from a notification template, the state of the page when the notification is made isn’t necessarily useful. Fermiboson (talk) 12:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you this would be a very nice feature to have. Even better would be if a bot could also alter the entries in Special:contributions so an editor could more easily find where their earlier Talk Page contributions have been archived to. Sadly, I think that the work involved would be excessive compared to the benefits. You could make a request at WP:VPR (I've not checked the archives to see if this has already been suggested). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

There are a few user scripts that allow this. I think Convenient Discussions is able to do this if the discussion gets archived and will show it as a toast notification in the upper-right corner. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

The find-archived-section gadget (Special:Preferences → Gadgets → Browsing) will do the thing it says, which I think might be your main feature request, Fermiboson. When it comes to e.g., finding archived dramaboard discussions when someone just drops in the default {{ANI notice}}, there's not really a user script to help with that. Folly Mox (talk) 04:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I see, thank you. Fermiboson (talk) 08:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fermiboson Reading these links, I see that the find-archived-section gadget was merged into the Convenient Discussions one, so you can use it alone or in combination with the other features the latter offers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I have noticed that as well. Fermiboson (talk) 12:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I think nuclide symbols are overused on Misplaced Pages. They hurt readability IMHO. I wonder what I should do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Nuclear_weapon_design#235U_versus_uranium-235. is a link to a discussion I had about this which, as I see it, was concluded without much rebuttal of my arguments, but rather a refusal to discuss the matter. So I am wondering whether I am really right about this, and also, what I should do, if anything. Polar Apposite (talk) 17:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Is it U₃O₈ or triuranium octoxide? H₂O or dihydrogen oxide? Personally, I prefer Arabic digits to Greek prefixes. Maproom (talk) 07:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

My AI Content Was Removed - Why?

Hello, I have made a exciting new scientific discovery - the Theory of Artificial Evolution. I posted content to both the "AI Safety" and "Existential Threat of AI" pages on Wiki. Both content edits were pulled within minutes. Why? I have cited works of Alan Turing, Charles Darwin, Plato, Aristotle, Einstein, etc. to back up my scientific assertion. Why was my content pulled? Please inform me so I can understand how your platform works. Otherwise why did you remove this valuable scientific information from your platform? The readers of Misplaced Pages have a right to know the worst-case scenario threat of AI. Thank you. Dwoodrsg (talk) 17:33, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Dwoodrsg. If you click on the "history" tab for those pages, you can see the "edit summaries", which are the reason why you were reverted. The AI safety edit summary is self-sourced? original research? The Existential risk from artificial general intelligence edit summary is the same. This isn't the best page to discuss the issue. I would recommend one of these pages instead: Talk:AI safety, Talk:Existential risk from artificial general intelligence, WP:TEAHOUSE, or User talk:Willondon. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

You pulled the same content from that page "Existential risk of AI' at the same time. Why? You are contradicting yourselves. And can you think of anything more important to safeguard against for AI than its evolutionary threat? That also doesn't make sense as an argument. With all due respect sir or ma'am. 2600:4040:2B8D:9900:3429:8247:831F:2FEC (talk) 17:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Wasn't me. I'm just reading the logs for you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. It cutting edge science that I am publishing to Misplaced Pages. What makes someone a credible source for posting? I'm not posting an opinion. I have cited the greatest minds in human history and organized their work to documen the Theory of Artificial Evolution. WHich is another page I want to post as original content. Is[REDACTED] going to yank that content as well? Just because it is the first time in human history that someone has discovered artificial evolution? Seems to be strange given the websites stated mission. There is no knowledge more important than this. Not expressing frustration with you directly, I'm just perplexed by the disqualifcation of me as a credible scientific source out of hand with no reasearch by your organization. Someone should read my book first and then decide whether I'm credible or not. 2600:4040:2B8D:9900:3429:8247:831F:2FEC (talk) 17:52, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Dwoodrsg It doesn't matter who you cite when you attempt to use Misplaced Pages to publish original research. Please read that link carefully, as this is a Misplaced Pages policy. You would have to publish your work elsewhere (e.g. in a reliable peer-reviewed journal) and after that the material could be cited here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:33, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, so just get pubished in a journal or professional publication and I'm good to go then? 2600:4040:2B8D:9900:3429:8247:831F:2FEC (talk) 18:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

That would help- if the journal is peer reviewed and reputable. The main purpose of Misplaced Pages is to summarize independent reliable sources. If you just want to tell the world about your theory, that's precisely what social media is for. 331dot (talk) 18:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Ideally, even if that happens, you shouldn't be the one to write about it. 331dot (talk) 18:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm trying all avenues to get the word out sir. Humanity does not make it easy to share such a huge scientific discovery. I understand your policy and will seek to meet not just the letter, but the spirit of your intent. Thanks for thoroughly answering my questions/concerns. I know you are just trying to protect the public from frauds and misinformation. I have work to do to meet the academic standard you need to feel comfortable to publish my Theory of Evolution. So, I won't bother posting the page for The Theory of Evolution as it seems you will pull that as well since no one in history has EVER docuemnted it before me. It what is is. Thanks! 2600:4040:2B8D:9900:3429:8247:831F:2FEC (talk) 18:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Original research or the synthesis of new information from existing sources is unfortunately not permitted on Misplaced Pages – as a tertiary source Misplaced Pages's goal is to summarize what existing secondary sources have already said, not to report new findings or hypotheses. Self-published sources (which your book appears to be) are also not considered to be reliable sources. Tollens (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Dwoodrsg, you may find the article Technological singularity interesting. Maproom (talk) 08:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes. He is describing the process of artificial evolution. He just doesn’t know he is describing the process of evolution. 2600:4040:2B8D:9900:D42C:9DEC:9C9F:B15A (talk) 11:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Working on Vital articles list

Hi, I have been working on this list at Misplaced Pages:Vital_articles/Level/5/History. I have combined several sections together in the Late modern and Contemporary sections. After combing the sections, which formerly said 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries, I am trying to sort through the events in the Contemporary section so that events prior to 1945 go in Late modern and events after 1945 go in Contemporary. However, the process is very time consuming sorting through ~500 articles. I would like to know some ways that I can speed the process up. Could AutoWikiBrowser be of some help? If so, how? What about the use of AI tools like ChatGPT and some other tool? I tried putting in a few prompts into it and it isn't very accurate at all. What would be your recommendation of speeding this process up so that I can easily get it done. Interstellarity (talk) 20:06, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Welcome to the Teahouse! ChatGPT3.5 had its "last knowledge update in January 2022", which leads me to think that it can't read the current articles. You could try loading a list of the articles into AWB to sort the articles by looking at the categories (e.g. skip everything that contains \|\d)|20\d) to get a list for things that might belong in Late modern). Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @GoingBatty and thank you for getting back to me. I haven't used AWB in quite some time. To ease me into it, I am hoping that you could provide step-by-step instructions on how I can accomplish this task. Interstellarity (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Step 1 is creating the list of articles. Can you share the list with me? GoingBatty (talk) 01:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Right here. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

What should I do when I forget to include an edit summary?

Or if I accidentally hit a key and publish an edit before writing the edit summary? Like I did just now. Polar Apposite (talk) 22:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite: You can make a dummy edit (put an extra space somewhere on the page) and leave your edit summary there. – dudhhr_contribsher 22:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I did it. Do you have any other tips about edit summaries. Polar Apposite (talk) 22:08, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Polar Apposite Go to "Preferences" (top line of the page) "Editing" and check the "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box - this will remind you if you try to publish without an edit summary - Arjayay (talk) 22:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I did it. Thanks. How about another edit summary tip? Polar Apposite (talk) 22:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Polar Apposite, an edit summary should clearly and concisely describe the purpose of your edit. Do not debate or argue with other editors or be negative or sarcastic. Detailed discussion belongs on talk pages, not in edit summaries. Cullen328 (talk) 23:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I always Edit summary for article content, but never for Teahouse or editors' Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 23:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

That's been my policy up to now, too. Polar Apposite (talk) 16:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that. If the edit summary of a revert of someone elses's edit included, "Take your concerns to talk", would that normally be understood to mean, to reverter's talk page, or to the article talk page, or something else? Polar Apposite (talk) 16:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Invisible error messages? Spoooooky.

I'm working on an article (Draft:Mary E. Endress) and I keep getting CS1 formatting errors -- the message is "Script warning: One or more {{cite journal}} templates have errors; messages may be hidden (help)." I've followed the "help" link and added the recommended code to my common CSS page, but I still can't see anything to tell me what those errors are. How do I get Misplaced Pages to tell me which errors it's detecting?

I've since managed to fix the bug after noticing that the article was in , but for future reference, I'd still very much appreciate it if someone could help me figure this out. Thank you! -- Photosynthetic430 ❧ 22:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430: Hi there! In this version of the draft, there's a red error in the third reference stating "{{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal=". You fixed it in the next edit. GoingBatty (talk) 01:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You have hidden error messages turned on at User:GoingBatty/vector.css which is why you can see them :) Galobtter (talk) 01:27, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430 I think you need to include this part:

.mw-parser-output span.cs1-hidden-error {display: inline;} /* display hidden Citation Style 1 error messages */

to see the error message GoingBatty mentions. Galobtter (talk) 01:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I already put that in my common.css, and it didn’t work. I’ll try putting it in my vector.css and see what happens. — Photosynthetic430 ❧ 03:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photosynthetic430 (talk • contribs)

@Photosynthetic430, do you mind tagging me and letting me know if that worked or not? I think I have the same problem: put the code in one of my css files, cite warnings still hidden. Thanks! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

What happened to the other counterparts to the Teahouse?

I seem to remember two other counterparts to the Teahouse, where did they go? Did they get turned into the Help Desk and the Reference Desk? Shadestar474 23:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Shadestar474: The Help Desk and Reference Desk predate the Teahouse, which was added later. Do you remember anything more about these other pages you are asking about? RudolfRed (talk) 23:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

No, not really, other than one was called something like the beer pub. 98.97.114.79 (talk) 23:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Not Misplaced Pages:Village pump? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

You're not thinking of the wikt:WT:Beer parlour in Wiktionary? ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Maybe! Was there ever a time when the Teahouse had a link to the Beer Parlour and another help forum, to link the WikiProjects together? Shadestar474 20:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I found Misplaced Pages:New_contributors'_help_page/questions which was discontinued in 2013. RudolfRed (talk) 23:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

And also Misplaced Pages:Editor_assistance/Requests which was also discontinued. RudolfRed (talk) 23:46, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

There's also the Misplaced Pages:Village pump. Rusty4321  23:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Palmer Report

Palmer Report is not “fake news” it has been shown to tell the truth consistently.It is terrible to say that and lock anyone’s ability to set the story straight. Also, the expression “fake news” is used to describe any news that might be unfavorable to Trump. Trump’s involvement with Russia has been well documented and not for someone to call it a conspiracy theory. Misplaced Pages has lost all credibility with this. Why is editing locked? Please answer this question. Nutmeg6542 (talk) 01:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Nutmeg6542: Your disagreement with the characterization "fake news" is better suited to the talk page of the article, though it should be noted that Misplaced Pages only summarizes what other sources have already said. If a majority of reliable sources call it "fake news" (and it appears based on the sourcing provided in the article that this is the case), that's the term used in the article regardless of my, your, or any other editor's personal opinion. To clarify, the current protection level does not prevent editing by everyone, just by users who have made less than 10 edits and/or held an account for less than four days. Over 2 million people are able to edit that article. The protection is in place per the contentious topics policy, which allows for the protection of pages in topic areas attracting persistent disruption – this includes any article related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people. Tollens (talk) 01:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Nutmeg6542, the article Palmer Report explains, in great detail, the widely reported accuracy problems with this blog. The article is semi-protected because of years of disruptive editing by unregistered and very new accounts. If you have access to reliable, independent sources that refute the current content, provide links at Talk: Palmer Report. Cullen328 (talk) 01:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

"Also, the expression “fake news” is used to describe any news that might be unfavorable to Trump." With all due respect: no, it is not. Misplaced Pages comes from a neutral point-of-view. If reliable sources say the Palmer Report has spread fake news, then that's what the article will say. If you have reliable sources which you think dispute the current information represented in the article, you can go to its talk page. Professor Penguino (talk) 01:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The information is sourced from Snopes, The Atlantic, HuffPost, and The New Republic. This isn't coming from sites biased towards Donald Trump. Professor Penguino (talk) 01:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Not to mention . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it’s a very well sourced claim. Professor Penguino (talk) 07:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Article review (3rd try)

Hi all, I try to write article Draft:Mergin Maps for almost a year now, with now it is like 3rd major rewrite. I am glad I learned a lot about Misplaced Pages doing it, but getting quite frustrated recently. Can you guys let me know if such article has a change of getting reviewed (let say by relevance of sources and so on) and it is just a problem with my styling/bias (I am part of this open-source project) or by secondary sources strength?

Thanks Peter4987116314 (talk) 08:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Peter4987116314: To maybe clarify what the reviewers have said a bit: before a Misplaced Pages article can be published, what it needs are citations to sources that are both reliable and independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the topic. Citations to sites like Lutra Consulting or the Mergin Maps website, while they do contain significant coverage, aren't independent of the subject, because they were published by the company responsible for the product. While I have not looked through every academic paper cited, it appears that while they are independent, they don't contain significant coverage of the product: they only mention it in passing while explaining their methodology. Generally draft reviewers are looking for at least three sources that are simultaneously reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage, and unfortunately it doesn't look like there are any provided. This is quite common with software – it's quite rare for articles to be published by reputable publishers about niche applications like yours. I'm sorry this is certainly not what you're hoping to hear, but without high-quality sources it's very unlikely the article will be accepted. Tollens (talk) 09:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

"it's quite rare for articles to be published by reputable publishers about niche applications like yours" - this is exactly the point. There are dozens of (web blogs, research articles, printed etc) that mention the software as a tools that were used. But because the software is a mostly the mobile app that is used for gathering the geo-data outside, the articles are not in-depth analyses of the software itself.

Still, by nature of the niche software/app, this entry level is very difficult to pass. Peter4987116314 (talk) 10:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I completely agree that it's a very high bar for software of this particular sort, but Misplaced Pages does have its policies for good reason – when the only sources available are written by the company or barely mention the product there's not really anything of good enough quality to write an article from. There's not a whole lot that can be done about that, unfortunately. Tollens (talk) 10:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. Just for me to understand. Is this article https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/1189/1/012023 let say a good secondary source (let say one of the three reviewer would accept?) Peter4987116314 (talk) 11:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I only see one instance of the token "Mergin" when I search the text of that paper – while it would be a good source for the topic of mobile GIS, it wouldn't be considered to contain significant coverage of Mergin Maps because it does not discuss it specifically. (Academic papers are actually primary sources, as a side note.) Tollens (talk) 11:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You are right, it got rejected again... I am giving up, tried maximum, failed hard. Thanks for your insights. Peter4987116314 (talk) 18:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello, I am QuadriSyedSahab with my alternate account, i just saw that User:Irfanarimbra786 had undone my edits which were supported by citations in Asjad Raza Khan and on Kanthapuram’s article , you can see that both claims were had references with it. The user removed stating unreferenced. — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 09:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@QuadriOnMobile: You should discuss this with the user who reverted your edit – see WP:BRD. Additionally, I'd note that they never said your edits were unreferenced: their edit summaries were "not a valid source for the title" and "no valid source to asjad raza khan", implying that they simply don't believe the sources you have provided are sufficient, not that you've provided no references. Tollens (talk) 09:22, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I added citations of The Hindu and Times of India! Isn’t that sufficient? — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 09:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Again, you should take it up with them – nobody here is going to revert their edit on your behalf. Discussion with others in order to reach consensus is the backbone of Misplaced Pages. Tollens (talk) 09:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@QuadriOnMobile You may like to read WP:THEHINDU and WP:TOI and use these in your discussion with the other editor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Reviewing former featured articles

Hello! I have seen that the article named Bangladesh used to be a featured article. Can I see the page where the discussion of removing its featured status took place? And what should be done to regain its featured status? Thanks in advance. --Ifteebd10 (talk) 10:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ifteebd10: These links are typically present on the article's talk page in one of the (admittedly numerous) banners – the relevant ones are its demotion from FA, and its two subsequent Good Article nominations which did not result in the article being listed (located here and here). You can additionally find links to the revision of the article when those discussions took place in the banner on the talk page. Tollens (talk) 10:57, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new article

Hi - I recently created a new article for BayCare Clinic. It was denied - but it is fully reference with reputable third party sources. Can anyone help me out? It seems subjective what gets allowed and denied. If there is a key to getting an article approved - that would be useful. I cited around 30 sources for my article. Thanks. BMilinski22 (talk) 14:09, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

BMilinski22 Hello and welcome. I would first ask you to disclose your connection to this clinic, please see the paid editing policy and read conflict of interest. You claimed that you personally created the logo of the clinic and have made it available for anyone to use for any purpose with attribution.

Most of your sources seem to just document the activities of the clinic, and are not significant coverage of the clinic that describes how it meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of a notable organization. Please review the information left by the reviewer, as well as the links therein. 331dot (talk) 14:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello BMilinski22. You may want to look for Misplaced Pages articles on other hospitals and medical facilities. If the articles aren't tagged for having problems look at what is covered, and not covered. I glanced at your draft and see you often state how much everything cost, how much land is owned, and lots of exact details that makes it seem like a report to shareholders or some other document aimed at a specific audience, and not for someone who wants an overview of the BayCare Clinic. I also see that your newspaper article references have the date of the issue, but the page is not given. That may be because you have a stack of newspaper clippings, and the page number wasn't saved, which makes it harder for others to find that article to verify what you write. Is it possible to look at online copies of those articles in order to get the page numbers? (Often those who pay a newspaper subscription fee can have access to back issues.)

It appears to me that you're trying to add every detail you can find, so I really recommend you read numerous other hospital / clinic Misplaced Pages articles to get a feel for what's considered important. Best wishes on your efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 18:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I make a userbox for my user page?

I want to make my user page more sophisticated. AJ Santaella (talk) 15:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

AJ Santaella see Template:Userbox. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, unrelated to your query in question, but your userpage appears to contain some links to your youtube channel among other things. This may be considered a promotional user page - see WP:UPNOT. Fermiboson (talk) 16:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I'll remove it, thanks for telling me! AJ Santaella (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

No problem, happy editing! Fermiboson (talk) 16:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

COI declaration

Is this an acceptable COI declaration? I want to make absolutely sure that I am following due process. Thank you, Fermiboson (talk) 15:22, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely. NotAGenious (talk) 15:54, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Multiple sandboxes

I am sorry for asking this question because as an experienced editor I feel I should know already. I often have multiple ideas in my head and start writing multiple articles on chemistry and railways mainly but other subjects too. Over the last 3 years or so I have been using my sandbox to draft articles before putting them in main space. What I would like to do is have a minimum of two sandboxes so I can do science articles in one sandbox and other completely different themed articles in another. Is it possible to do that? User:GRALISTAIR/sandbox - Misplaced Pages https://en.wikipedia.org/User:GRALISTAIR/sandbox GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:40, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

GRALISTAIR, of course. Any user subpage is acceptable for use, for sandboxing articles or for any miscellaneous pages. For example, I have User:Sungodtemple/sandbox/Non minor edits just sitting around. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - I will give it a go GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You can have as many user subpages as you like, GRALISTAIR. The only thing that's special about one called "sandbox" is that (in a browser version) there's a shortcut to it under the "person" icon in the top RH corner. ColinFine (talk) 18:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for Deletion - Did I do it correctly?

Hello! I attempted to use the template to nominate an article for deletion. I then created this page - Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Relacom. Was that correct? Was there anything I missed doing? It's my first time doing a deletion nomination so I wasn't sure. Thank you so much for your help! Libs4Libraries (talk) 15:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You want to take a look at WP:AFDHOWTO. In particular, you need to place the subst:afd2 template on the article deletion discussion page, and put it on the logs for today Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 November 1 using the template subst:afd3. It is also considered a courtesy to notify the authors and any editors who have made substantial expansion to the article of the deletion nomination using subst:afd notice. Fermiboson (talk) 16:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Libs4Libraries in the future you can use Twinkle, an extension that can do all the technical details of things like nominating an article for AfD/PROD, reporting a vandal, etc. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:17, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Sungodtemple and @Fermiboson. I will check out Twinkle and make sure everything is buttoned up! Libs4Libraries (talk) 13:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

When was this a thing

So I got done editing the Ghostface page, then hit my page, then something NEW showed up. it was called "your impact", and showed things like my edit count, how many thanks i've gotten, etc. When was this a thing? Babysharkboss2 was here!! 16:17, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Babysharkboss2 It is a feature of the newcomer homepage, which you can switch off at the foot of Special:Preferences. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

no, i'll keep it on, it's cool, and neat. I was just kinda confused, since there wasn't a notification or anything. Thank's!! Babysharkboss2 was here!! 17:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Password Help

I didn't set an email to my account but I don't remember my password is it possible to still send an email to an email address since I know my username?140.228.176.180 (talk) 17:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. I'm afraid that is not possible. If you think about it, anyone could claim they had a particular username and hence gain access to the associated password. The best you can do is create a new account and state on its userpage that you once edited under an alternative, specified, account name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I create a new article? I’m so new, and I’m nervous about it.

Hello there. I am just basically new at Misplaced Pages and I wanted to create a new article. How? I’m on mobile! I’m nervous! 🥺 The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 18:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

1 hour, no replies. Can someone help?

The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello @The Industrial Me 1563:. You can take a look at WP:YFA which also has a link to the Article Wizard. Knitsey (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, The Industrial Me, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Misplaced Pages.

In my experience, people who try to create an article before they have spent a significant amount of time learning how Misplaced Pages works usually have a frustrating and disappointing time. Imagine buying a violin and immediately going busking on the streets - it's probably not money that people are going to throw at you.

My advice (as usual to new editors) is to spend a few weeks or months learning how it works by making smaller edits before you even try it. Start with Help:Introduction if you haven't already read that, and then pick up some tasks that interest you from the "Help out" section of the Community portal. Start with the tasks on the first row, but make sure you've done some of the "Check and add references" before you try your own article: references are the foundation of any Misplaced Pages article, and if you don't understand them, you cannot create a satisfactory article.

The other thing to note is that creating a new article is not the only way to improve or add value to Misplaced Pages. I remember when I started how much I wanted to "make my mark" by adding new articles. But now I know that bringing existing articles up to scratch is often of more value. I have only every created a dozen articles. ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@The Industrial Me 1563 Maybe use the Article Wizard. Babysharkboss2 was here!! 00:16, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see! Thanks! The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 15:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Deleted my information

I recently updated information regarding myself and it has been removed?! Please advise 89.242.167.18 (talk) 18:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Leam Richardson – dudhhr_contribsher 18:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

My guess is that your updates were not accompanied by any independent published reliable sources. Per the Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, the best thing to do would be to ask at the article's talk page - Talk:Leam Richardson, and invite those who reverted your edits to the conversation. Since this is an article about you, you have a conflict of interest and should not be updating the article yourself. You may post edit requests on the talk page and ask others to make the appropriate edits. GoingBatty (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

(not clickbait)

for articles on topics like movies (specifically the one on mockbusters), which type of image would be better to add in?

• the cover of a random or "particularly notorious" mockbuster (to which i would use the little panda fighter's)
• the cover of a movie and its mockbuster side by side (to which i could put two of them together in like 5 seconds)

cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 19:57, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Unless the relevant images are licensed for free reuse (which is unlikely) you won't have the option. Most posters are not free, and so can only be used in Misplaced Pages in ways that comply with all the non-free content criteria. No 8, "Contextual significance" has usually been interpreted as saying that you can use a poster or cover in an article specifically about the work illustrated, but not anywhere else. I can see that there is a case for arguing that the two side by side would be justified, but you will have to argue that case. I suggest you ask at WikiProject Film. ColinFine (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

that could work

thanks cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 16:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

how do i add it to the physics portal?

Terminal velocity Catlover1519 (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Catlover1519, Welcome to the Teahouse! Add the following code to the bottom of the article: {{Portal|Physics}}— Davest3r08 (^_^) 21:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I would also recommend trying to edit Portal:Physics. — Davest3r08 (^_^) 23:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

It depends exactly what you are trying to do. The first suggestion above would display a link to the portal within the article, which seems like a good idea. The second would display an excerpt from the article within the portal. However, because we have so much content related to physics, this portal only showcases featured articles and good articles. Sadly, Terminal velocity has not yet reached that standard, which is why it is currently excluded from the portal. Certes (talk) 11:13, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Should be nominated for AfD?

Should this article be nominated for deletion? There is almost no information about the former state of this website online other than the Misplaced Pages page. However, it is owned by Fandango. Should this article be deleted and the page redirected to Fandango? TenToe (talk) 20:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and proposed it for deletion NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 20:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. Do you agree that a redirect to Fandango would be the best move? TenToe (talk) 20:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@TenToe It was WP:PRODed by User:NightWolf1223 but it has been de-prodded. The only way to have it deleted now is if it goes through the full WP:AfD process. Do not convert it into a redirect unless that is the outcome of the AfD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see. If it was deprodded though, does that mean it does not meet the criteria for deletion? TenToe (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@TenToe No, it just means that one specific editor objected to what was supposed to be an uncontroversial case (see WP:PROD). A full discussion can still take place, provided the correct AfD process is followed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

changing a title

Sorry but I'm a total noob. How do I change the title of this page to University of Missouri College of Education and Human Development? I was able to change all the text references. Stladams8 (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You have to move the article. See this page TenToe (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks! Stladams8 (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! :) TenToe (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Stladams8, you are not yet Autoconfirmed. Try Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Cullen328 (talk) 20:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh that stinks. Possibly why I'm not seeing the move button. So I should wait 4 days or make a technical request? I'm really not going to be doing a lot of editing. Stladams8 (talk) 20:58, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I would go ahead and submit a technical request, @Stladams8. This seems uncontrovrsial enough that it should be listed there. Remeber to provide references that support your change NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 21:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Can I get my IP address hidden?

I made an edit before I created an account. I would now like to have my IP address replaced with my account information. How do I accomplish this? Thank you. Mandyd73 (talk) 22:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry Mandyd73, but that cannot be done. - Arjayay (talk) 22:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Mandyd73: While it cannot be replaced with your account information, you can request the IP address be redacted by contacting the Oversight team. Please provide a URL to the edit so that they can find it. Tollens (talk) 22:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Mandyd73, before asking the Oversight team, ask yourself whether obscuring the IP address is so important that another person should spend their time reading and evaluating your request and carrying out the redaction. (It probably is not.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

it's not that I care about getting credit for the comment, I'm just worried about having my IP address visible to the public. Thank you. Mandyd73 (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mandyd73 Your IP address will not be visible to the general public as long as you continue to log in when you edit per WP:LOGOUT; WP:CHECKUSERs can see it, but they're required to agree to not publicly disclose such things per WP:CUIPDISCLOSE. So, pretty much nobody really will know that the IP address associated with that old edit is you unless you tell them as much. Per Hoary's above post, you can probably just ignore this and just keep it to yourself unless you made something in that edit that can clearly be used to connect it with your current account. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Assistance

This Draft got decline https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Draft:Tupocracy and I am confused because It has some book reviews see and quite a good number of Reliable/ independent reference.Calyx2s (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Calyx2s, I read that "The term 'tupocracy' was coined by Dr. Godwin Akpan Amaowoh": a credible claim. And yes, this coining has been celebrated, but I sense something fishy about the celebration. Consider this cited example, which says: "Nigeria is about to make another strong impact on the global stage with the discovery of a new political theory which may become a major political theory that will be adopted by countries." Which is mere wishful thinking. (Perhaps published on a slow news day?) But you may object that no, this is a serious statement in a serious publication. If so, then we can expect the concept/word to make a "strong impact on the global stage". Well then, let's wait for the impact to occur, and for moral philosophers, political scientists or whoever to verifiably adopt the concept in their analyses. In the meantime, WP:CRYSTAL rules out an article on "tupocracy". -- Hoary (talk) 00:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hoary Thank you for the insight,but do you mean if not on global stage it not notable considering it already been adopted in university especially in Nigeria. Would also kindly like to ask what kind of reference should I look at in order to develop it? And there are some book reviews, unfortunately I don't know how to references them on the article. Please kindly guide, if I can help to still see how I can develop it more.Calyx2s (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Calyx2s, the draft cites quite a lot of sources. I picked two.

First, "Akwa Ibom govt adopts tupocracy as governance model". This says:

Akwa Ibom State has adopted the newly propounded system of Tupocracy as the system that will run the state . Tupocracy is Leadership by example . When leaders lead by example, they set a standard of behavior that others can look up to and emulate.

Secondly, "Tupocracy established in Enugu, spreads across Nigeria and Africa", which says:

Tupocracy is gaining more grounds in Nigeria as Enugu State has adopted the political principle as a guiding principle. Leadership by example refers to a leadership style in which leaders demonstrate their values, work ethic, and behavior through their actions, setting a positive example for others to follow.

(Incidentally, clicking within the text of that second source in order to copy some of it triggers an additional browser window -- which looked sleazy and which I killed before it could show me anything.)

I infer that tupocracy means government by decent people who aren't hypocrites.

I find it hard to imagine a government that would openly reject this: "No, we are not going to lead by example. Do as we say, not as we do." If leadership by example becomes a talking point, then of course the government will pay lip-service to it. Now, image-making and "spin" can themselves become notable, and certainly there's real content in your draft (so I'm not suggesting that you should give up); but I'd like to see evidence that the concept has actually influenced government policy or that it has been taken up by scholars other than (and independent of) Amaowoh, or some more substance to either the concept or its influence. -- Hoary (talk) 01:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary:I found the below two sources and it already existed on the body on the article. Hope it meet your expectations?

https://tribuneonlineng.com/akwa-ibom-govt-adopts-tupocracy-as-governance-model/

Akwa Ibom State under the leadership of Governor Udom Gabriel Emmanuel has adopted the newly propounded system of Govermmennt Tupocracy as the system that will run the state.

https://tribuneonlineng.com/unn-elated-as-scholar-akpan-invents-new-political-concept-tupocracy/

The board of Examiners chaired by an External Examiner Prof. Vincent Nyoyoko from the University of Port Harcourt adopted the dissertation and as well recommended that it should be globally accepted as a Political Doctrine that may be adopted by countries or further studied.Calyx2s (talk) 21:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary:It is also on Urban Dictionary https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TUPOCRACY Calyx2s (talk) 12:52, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Calyx2s We have an extensive article on leadership, with several forks for different types. Some of your sources might be suitable for inclusion in one of these. The word "tupocracy" sounds to me as of limited use at present but might be suitable for Wiktionary. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Halocene Band article

I have been trying for over a year to show that the band halocene is noteworthy enough to merit an article. I keep getting shut down despite meeting everything I can see. I need help figuring out what I need to do get this article published. Draft:Halocene Brian.butt (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Let's be more precise, . On 26 April, Anarchyte rejected the draft, fixing a conspicuous "STOP" sign to it. But you didn't stop, and on 11 May CNMall41 rejected it again. Since then, some IP in Washington state has continued to fiddle with it (without doing anything to make the subject look more noteworthy). Regardless of their skills, originality, etc, most bands simply aren't notable (as notability is defined hereabouts). Please stop. -- Hoary (talk) 00:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Brian! In case you haven't already done so, have a thorough read of Misplaced Pages:Notability (music), and ask yourself as objectively as possible "Has this band met the required criteria yet?" and "Does the draft demonstrate this with citations to 3 or more substantial, independent Reliable sources?"

My own judgement, having read the draft, would be No to both. It may be just WP:Too soon in terms of their career and the consequent independent coverage of them – remember the old showbiz adage: "It takes 20 years to become an overnight sensation." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 00:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

The band is not notable, Brian.butt. I strongly recommend that you abandon the draft and move on. Cullen328 (talk) 00:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Brian.butt@Cullen328@Hoary They're definitely notable, for point 1 alone, which is all that's needed for a music article.

They just need someone to add all the references.

They have nearly 196 million views on their own Youtube channel, from a total of 633 videos, so an average of 310,000 view per video, not to mention other Youtube channels they've appeared on with many more millions.

There's 30 stories which mention them on the news section of Google, albeit roughly 10 of them are talking about the same Masked Singer Australia story.

And there's many more news stories on the main Google page, but it'll take a while scrolling down to find them all, now that Google has got rid of page results.

I know nothing about them, but with that many views I suspect they've charted in at least one country, have been certified Gold or higher, and/or have won awards.

There's countless people from my city who get between 10,000 and 250,000 views per video on average, sometimes creeping up to a million or more, who have also had multiple articles written about them, and who are also eligible for a Misplaced Pages article but don't have one yet, so this band definitely are. Danstarr69 (talk) 12:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Suspicion that they have charted/won awards/hit Gold is not evidence that they have indeed done so. What are the sources that establish that this band meets point one of the notability criteria? 331dot (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Is a press release always disqualified as a reference?

I am trying to get my first article, Draft:Exeger Operations AB, accepted.

One of the references, reference no 15 (https://www.epo.org/en/news-events/press-centre/press-release/2021/451825), is questioned. What is your opinion on the following two things:

(1) It is labeled as a press release, but not sent by the company covered by the draft/article. It does not contain the usual press release content, e.g. promotional text.

(2) One could argue that the text referenced is

• in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
• reliable
• secondary
• strictly independent of the subject

Bottom line - does the reference above qualify as such in an Misplaced Pages article, or not?

Derekhal22 (talk) 00:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Derekhal22. In my opinion, no: although this press release isn't from the company, it is from an organisation that has just given the company an Award, and is about that. As such, it isn't really independent of the subject. It can be used to verify facts, but cannot contribute directly to Notability.

That said, the Award itself is Notable and there is a Misplaced Pages article about it, and another about its parent organisation, so others may have a different opinion on this. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.231.103 (talk) 00:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Derekhal22. A press release should probably be treated as a WP:PRIMARY source with respect to Misplaced Pages. It can be used in certain contexts and cited in support of simple factual details, but it probably would be considered reliable for any type of contentious claims or interpretations, either about the subject of the press release or any third parties. Moreover, as a primary source, it won't be considered acceptable in establishing a claim of Misplaced Pages notability. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Small error correcting

Hi, there. I would like to know how I would find errors on Misplaced Pages that are simple fixes. Thanks! Acrsimia (talk) 01:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Acrsimia

Hello! If you are fixing a simple error (i.e you want to change a spelling error such as 'arcadde' to 'arcade'), that is called copy editing, and is marked as a minor edit (refer to Misplaced Pages:Basic copyediting for more information). Press the edit button shaped as a pencil and fix the error. Write a summary, usually just saying 'copy edit' is good. Mark the edit as a minor edit, and then submit it!

To get more info about what is not a minor edit, check Misplaced Pages:Basic copyediting for info.

Firesword9140 (talk) 01:53, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Acrsimia: To find such typos, just search for them. For example, if you search for "Octber" (with the quotation marks), you'll get these results. GoingBatty (talk) 04:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Acrsimia You might like Misplaced Pages:Lists of common misspellings. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 05:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Acrsimia If you are looking for articles that contain spelling errors and similar faults (grammar, punctuation, etc.) because you would like to correct them, you could try CAT:ALLCE. Alternatively, go to WP:TASKS and scroll down to the "Copy editing" section. Mike Marchmont (talk) 11:09, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I changed a word by another one and it got deleted

why did it get deleted Ririlegris (talk) 02:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ririlegris: The source cited says southern Israel – it does not say Palestine. Tollens (talk) 02:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Special:Diff/1183080458 Tollens (talk) 02:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ririlegris: According to the message on your talk page, your change is not supported by the source cited in the article. You should discuss your proposed change on the article's talk page, along with sources. RudolfRed (talk) 02:12, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ririlegris: You might have only changed one word, but not all words are created equal and the one you changed is an important word contextually that siginifcantly impacts the meaning of the sentence in question. Assuming that you made this change with the best of intentions and in good faith, you can discuss it on the article's talk page as suggested above. If, on the other hand, you were just looking to stir the pot or were motivated by other things, you probably should drop this, move on and not try and do the same thing again. Edits related to Palistine-Israel issues fall under Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict and as such tend to be heavily monitored and scrutinized. Even if Stenodactylus petrii doesn't appear to be such a article, the change you tried to make could be perceived as being contentious. So, you should tread lightly here, particularly giving everything that's going on in that particular region at the moment. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:20, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Ensuring link stability when moving an article

Hi all, I'm looking at moving the article Wright Glider to "Wright Gliders" or "Wright gliders" in order to clarify in the title that the article refers to several aircraft, rather than a single one (c.f. Wright Flyer). As I go about doing this, the move article page does warn that the original article will be replaced by a redirect and that I am responsible for ensuring links don't break. What is the best way of going about this? How can I see all the links that point to this page and check them for function? Finally, will the built in redirect be sufficient for a (relatively) low-linked page, such as this? Thanks for all the help FraughtGYRE (talk) 02:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi FraughtGYRE. I think the answers to your questions (at least most of them) for can be found in WP:WLH. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:25, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

G3

Would Motihari airport fall under G3? Also the creator of the article keeps changing places to Motihari. 115.188.140.167 (talk) 07:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@115.188.140.167 Hello, welcome to the teahouse. I didn't find why it is a G3 page, can you explain it a little bit? -Lemonaka‎ 11:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Because it's not real according to the city's official website. I've documented what I could at Talk:Motihari airport. As for the article creator's other edits, I'm wondering if a rollbacker should look at it. Might be easier for them to remove the insertions of "Motihari" in various articles that IP has contested here. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Article to be published

Hello All,

I struggle with having my content published. Anyone can help me with that?

Thank you 🙏🏼 Sarah SMM (talk) 10:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sarah SMM: I assume you are referring to Draft:Rich Bake Company. If that is the case, please note that each Misplaced Pages article must demonstrate that its subject has been discussed in reliable sources by providing references to those sources – reviewers are typically looking for at least three references that are reliable, independent of the subject (so the website of the company does not count), and contain significant coverage, rather than simply a passing mention of the subject. Currently the only source in the article is to the corporation's own website, so it does not meet this requirement right now. Tollens (talk) 10:35, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Sarah. I assume this is about Draft:Rich Bake Company and/or User:Sarah SMM/sandbox. I have three pieces of advice:

1. Don't maintain rival copies of the same draft. I know from experience that this can cause confusion — to their creator, to anyone who tries to help, and to reviewers.
2. Read Help:Referencing for beginners.
3. Before you write anything, find several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of the subject. Then base your article on what they say, citing them as you go. The one source you have given is from the company itself, and so not independent. Maproom (talk) 10:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Maproom .. That was extremely helpful.

Would a reference like that considered as a valid reference?

https://www.findinegypt.com/c/modern-bakeries-sae-rich-bake-148683

Thanks in advance 🙏🏼 Sarah SMM (talk) 11:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Sarah: No. All that does is confirm the company exists. It is not an article about the company. David notMD (talk) 11:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

UPDATE: This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of User:Rich Bake. David notMD (talk) 11:44, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Is a charity's own website an acceptable reference source?

A UK renowned charity is changing some of its remit. They want to update their Misplaced Pages page. The changes are detailed on their website. So I'm wondering if when an editor makes the changes, whether the charity's own website is an acceptable citation source or if it needs to be a third party. Thanks. MsContent (talk) 10:25, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @MsContent: yes, primary sources can be used for non-contentious, factual information. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much @DoubleGrazing. I will pass the information on. MsContent (talk) 11:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@MsContent: However, since the charity would have a conflict of interest by editing the Misplaced Pages article about their charity, they shouldn't edit the article themselves. Instead, they can submit an edit request on the article talk page to have another editor review their request and make the changes. GoingBatty (talk) 14:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yep, they know to use an independent editor.

Thank you. MsContent (talk) 14:45, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MsContent. While I don't disagree with DoubleGrazing's reply, I'm not convinced that "its remit" is something that belongs in an article, unless supported from an independent source. A charity's declared objects are sometimes no less aspirational than a company's "Vision statement". Misplaced Pages is concerned about what commentators say about an organisation, not what the organisation says about itself - and least of all with what the organisation says its goals or aspirations are.

It depends just what you mean by "its remit", of course. And I hope that by "use an independent editor" you mean "make a request that an independent editor may consider, and decide whether and how to edit the article". ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

my homepage

did they just change something about the homepage? It used to show my total edit count, but now it just shows some other random numbers and information. why did they change it all of a sudden? can i change back to the format that i saw as recently as yesterday? Iljhgtn (talk) 11:09, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

this is the link in case there is any questions regarding which page i am referring to. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn Hello, the template you add is not something automatically count your edit numbers. You need to count them manually if you use that template. -Lemonaka‎ 11:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn You are referring to the newcomer home page, which has been modified recently. If activated at Special:Preferences it will give you a new tab on your UserPage with summary information about your "impact". You ought to be able to comment on what you like or dislike at one of the Talk Pages associated with this WP:Growth Team features. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

lemonaka, the old newcomer homepage (yesterday) totatled it for you. the new one does not do this apparently. Iljhgtn (talk) 22:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Right Wing / Left Wing political parties

your description of left and right wing is not accurate, in fact no where near accurate, please can you advise how this can be changed, what is the procedure ?? NJG007 (talk) 11:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Misplaced Pages summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a topic. If the preponderance of such sources refer to a political party as "right wing", then Misplaced Pages does(or should) too. If they don't, then Misplaced Pages shouldn't. If you feel any such political party is described in such a way in error, please discuss your concerns on the article talk page and offer any sources you have to support your claims.

Note that American politics in particular is a designated contentious topic area, with its own special rules. I will notify you of these. 331dot (talk) 12:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Question about a citation use

Hello. I came across a brilliant article which I wanted to use as a citation link https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/02/06/citizenship-law-in-india-populist-polarization-pub-81023

I feel I can extract some useful information from this link as it is such an elaborate article. I wanted to check if this can be used for referencing on a Misplaced Pages page. ANLgrad (talk) 14:22, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@ANLgrad According to the foot of the article, it was originally published in what they call a blog. Hence you need to check WP:BLOG as sources like that need to be from experts in their field. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Article on a non-profit without many reliable sources yet

Hello! I drafted an article on a new non-profit. It was rejected because of a lack of reliable resources. Because it's new (founded 2021), it hasn't yet been referenced in any mainstreams news agencies, journals, etc. It has been referenced in several local newspapers where it is active. Aside from waiting until it's referenced somewhere more traditionally seen as reliable, is there anyway to get the article published? Thank you!

Draft:Lumen Accreditation ITCE CUA (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

ITCE CUA Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If a topic does not receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources, it does not merit a Misplaced Pages article at this time. That doesn't mean forever, but it appears to be too soon for an article about this organization.

I see you declared a COI; if you work for this organization, you must make the stricter paid editing disclosure. 331dot (talk) 15:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, 331dot! I'll make the stricter paid editing disclosure and otherwise will wait until there is more significant coverage in independent reliable sources. ITCE CUA (talk) 15:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ITCE CUE. Note that it makes absolutely no difference to Misplaced Pages whether an organisation is non-profit or not. All that matters is whether adequate sources exist. ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense, thank you! CatholicEdDC (talk) 17:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

A bit of help on notability of people, please

Being interested in the history of the British Isles, among other places, lots of articles in the English Misplaced Pages are about people whose contribution to their times or to posterity is either not evident or is clearly non-existent.

Where this is particularly prevalent is with (a) owners of lands or titles whose only apparent achievement in life is to have lived long enough to inherit, (b) spouses of such people, and (c) children of such people. In some cases this is just due to the idleness or ignorance of the article creator and a bit of research could reveal evidences for notability. For married women this may be tough, however, since law and practice in past centuries tended to see them mainly as baby-producing adjuncts to their husbands.

To get to my question. If I've got no personal interest in or aptitude for improving the article, is it considered helpful or hostile to tag it for deletion or merge? Belle Fast (talk) 15:52, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely do not tag it for deletion or merging without a WP:BEFORE. It is preferred to improve articles rather than delete them, so if you have no personal interest, don't edit them. Industrial Insect (talk) 16:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Belle Fast: I think it might be regarded as hostile. In Misplaced Pages jargon, Notability has nothing whatever to do with how meritorious someone was/is, or whether they have "contributed to their times or to posterity." It is only about how well documented they are/have been in Reliable sources that are independent of them. In other words, it's not that they "are notable" (in general terms), it's that they "have been noted."

With regard to people who have had places in lines of inheritance of titles and/or significant lands, the title/lands are themselves considered notable (because they are both significant and have been well documented) and the individuals concerned are necessarily part of that.

We have a principle that "Notability is not inherited", which means someone who isn't significantly documented except as a spouse or (non-inheriting) child would not qualify for an independent article, but I think most editors would regard the lineage-holders themselves as notable.

Of course, this may be seen as inherently unfair because past and present social attitudes to e.g. women mean that sources themselves are biased, but Misplaced Pages cannot help that: it is explicitly not intended to Right great wrongs, which would verge on Original research; rather it only summarises (reliable) sources.

I hope this (my personal perspective) helps. Doubtless others may wish to comment, and may well differ in their interpretations. {The poster formerly knowwn as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 16:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

It would not be helpful. Your pitch that "in some cases this is just due to the idleness or ignorance of the article creator" is offensive and suggests you do not think that WP:AGF applies to you; and those are both problematic. As others have pointed out, above, you do not seem to undertstand[REDACTED] notability, and so your judgements may well just be plain wrong. We're probably all best off if you do not touch articles in which you have no interest or aptitude. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for all advice, which is certainly noted, and I'm sorry if my language was careless.

In saying that some subjects of biographical articles do not seem significant, I meant that they do not appear to left a trail of valid references about their lives which would satisfy general scholarly and specifically Misplaced Pages criteria, which can often be the case with married women.

And I should never have criticised article creators who lack the time or the skills to develop the text further, for which I apologise. Belle Fast (talk) 08:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Automated citation template filling

Dear fellow Wikipedians, all too often I find an article with a reference or two in a simple citation style, eg <ref>authorname, various things like dates, website names etc </ref> which it would be nice to convert into tidily formatted refs using one or another of the {{cite... templates, thus: <ref> {{cite web |author=author_name |url=URL |title=title_string |work/date/access-date/etc=various things like dates, website names etc}} </ref> - I habitually do this manually, but it's fiddly and time consuming, so I wondered whether there's a tool that would do it automatically?

I've looked in a number of places starting with Help:Citation tools, but can't see the sort of thing I have in mind... Is there a tool that would automate this process? Thanks in advance, Yadsalohcin (talk) 15:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Yadsalohcin: is Misplaced Pages:Citation expander and the Misplaced Pages citation bot anything like what you're looking for? Install via Preferences > Gadgets, and access via the tools menu. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:20, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin: for citations, what I use (simpler) is from the edit toolbar, click Cite then Web for example; then paste in the URL and to the right click on the little Hourglass icon, so it looksup and fills in the Title and Website name. A good time-saver. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 16:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi JoeNMLC, Thanks for this, I'll give it a go... Yadsalohcin (talk) 16:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @JoeNMLC, it sounds perfect. One of those bits of clutter on the page that actually should(!) be rather useful. Except that when I click the 'Autofill' symbol I get no response, either on my mobile screen or on the laptop... is there something else I need to enable? Yadsalohcin (talk) 17:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin, Perhaps that URL has some special/unusual characters? It does need to be Exact to the webpage going into the citation. I use that search icon a lot, especially for association football biographies (from reliable source websites) and it works better than 90-percent of the time. JoeNMLC (talk) 17:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi again again @JoeNMLC, there must be something odd along those lines, 'cos I've just had one case of it autofilling several fields even tho' it didn't show in the preview or the boxes in the interface window, and a second case where it didn't do any autofilling. But it's a definite step forward, thanks! Yadsalohcin (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi DoubleGrazing, thanks for the suggestions, I've tried these and found them both a bit intermittent / less than reliable in their response- sometimes some pre-processing (breaking a previously ok citation) will force the issue but that feels rather a cumbersome approach... Yadsalohcin (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yadsalohcin, there is not a tool that will automatically turn manually formatted citations into correctly filled out citation templates. There previously was a tool that did something similar to this, but its error rate was extremely high, and it ended up breaking as many citations as it "fixed". Links to various discussions about this script from earlier this year can be found at the top of the first (of a projected four) cleanup page for examining and repairing the damage caused by this script.Automatically generating a correct and complete citation template is a science still in its infancy. Pages with complete structured metadata (like journal articles) generally produce good citation templates. Many to most websites don't work to any significant degree, and an attempt to "improve" manually formatted citations to websites by use of automated tools typically results in disimprovement and lost information.These are known issues, and some of the root sources of the problems are outside Misplaced Pages's purview in the Zotero community. Some are a bit closer to home, in the Wikimedia Foundation's Citoid library, which has one active maintainer.There's not currently a shortcut to correct and complete citations. It's a manual process that requires source checking, reading, and typing. Folly Mox (talk) 05:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Folly Mox, many thanks for this- maybe my hours of doing it manually haven't been wasted, then! Yadsalohcin (talk) 08:52, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Alert

What is the point of Misplaced Pages:Alert? It seems to be a generic help page with some information about a bunch of random topics, and there are random links to updates from 2009. Kk.urban (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages culture was different in 2009, is all I can say. DS (talk) 18:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Kk.urban, it is an essay. Anyone can write an essay that will be kept unless it is disruptive in come way. Some essays are influential and cited frequently. Others are pretty much ignored. This essay is in the second type. Cullen328 (talk) 21:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Seeking input on a company merger

Six Flags and Cedar Fair are merging, and the combined company will be called Six Flags. Both articles have extensive histories. Merging both articles would be difficult to do. Need some ideas on how to best proceed once the merger is complete in 2024. Please see Talk:Six Flags#Merge with Cedar Fair. Thank you! --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Probably keep the Cedar Fair as a standalone article about the pre-merger company, as was done with Compaq, for example. I wouldn't worry about it much until the merger actually happens. RudolfRed (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Guideline vs majority rule

(Follow-up to Misplaced Pages:Teahouse#Appropriateness of hatting or archiving of a thread guidance?)

What should an admin do when guidelines are being ignored, e.g. the ones that state, "A discussion which has been closed with the {{subst:Archive}} or similar template is intended to be preserved as-is and should not be edited." and "Do not unarchive a thread that was effectively closed; instead, start a new discussion and link to the archived prior discussion." ? RudolfoMD (talk) 19:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfoMD: Since the Teahouse is the "Friendly community hub for guiding and supporting new Misplaced Pages contributors" (emphasis added), I'm not sure you're going to get an answer here about admin procedures. Maybe Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard would be a better place (or Misplaced Pages talk:Teahouse if your question is specific to Teahouse conversations). GoingBatty (talk) 21:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfoMD I can't seem to find that past discussion. I think the answer to your question depends upon the circumstances, and shouldn't necessarily require administrator involvement. If a page has been archived (say this Teahouse forum) then any editor can 'revert' an edit made to a past archive, and leave an edit summary to instruct the editor where and how they should post their follow-up question. That may have been done in good faith, so a gentle steer is all that's needed. You could leave a clear message on their talk page to explain what they did that was wrong, and why a post to an archived page will not get them anywhere. Put the archive on your watchlist and 'move on'.

But, if the user keeps posting on archived pages, and their edits are seen as disruptive or as obvious vandalism, then you could start to revert and warn them (possibly using WP:TWINKLE to make life easier). If they continue past final warning, then a report to WP:AIV or even WP:ANI might be appropriate.

The recent manual hatting of a thread could be seen as more of one editor's person opinion that a discussion should cease. This one just above us could be a good example, and I had considered hatting it myself. But my opinion might not tally with someone else's who felt the discussion could usefully be extended. I might be disappointed that they'd continued with the thread, but I wouldn't come down on them like a ton of bricks, nor would I expect anyone else to. But depends on the value of their contribution within that thread as to whether I'd revert or gently warn them. A silly follow-up edit on a hatted thread can easily be reverted. But, once again, continuously ignoring community norms of behaviour can result in someone collecting enough evidence (via diffs) to present to that user and ask them to cease being disruptive.

New users are unlikely to understand our conventions, so it's up to us to explain things clearly if they accidentally breach them. It would then be up to an editor to decide whether they wanted to report these relatively minor, repeated breaches of our norms for admin action (at WP:ANI) if the level of disruption caused becomes too much to be dealt with normally.

TL;DR: Common sense applies. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hello,

Currently, my userpage isn't functioning, because the text in my introduction is for some reason going inside of the userbox that I have inserted in it. I would appreciate if someone could edit this in my userpage and explain to me my error.

Firesword9140 (talk) 22:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed – Firesword9140, it appears the {{Userboxbottom}} template that should be present at some point after {{Userboxtop}} was missing; I have added it for you. Tollens (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens

Thanks so much for the help, I appreciate it!

Firesword9140 (talk) 22:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

What can I do to improve my article (Draft:Daniel Jeddman)

A bit frustrating to be honest. After several months of waiting, yet another negation. Please after your thorough inspection, what may you suggest is missing on subject’s article I created to his credibility ? Blackan007 (talk) 22:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Blackan007, your draft is substantially the same as a previously deleted article, per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Daniel Jeddman. Cullen328 (talk) 22:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Blackan007: I have tagged a few issues on your draft. I have not reviewed your existing references. GoingBatty (talk) 01:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Question

Hello I need some help editing Misplaced Pages's articles, from a editor because the templates are hard. Words too. Too complicated but why? For me Misplaced Pages's too hard, Yes i've joined SO MANY WIKIPROJECTS. But you need to edit Misplaced Pages, But why? The to-do list says so! Thats why i need help. An○~t@○~m○ (talk) 4:03 1 November 2023 (UTC)

NOTE: I am 'bumping' this question from a few days ago as it was accidentally inserted into the bottom of another thread, and we all missed it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC))

@Anotaomo: The templates are a hot mess, but you don't have to understand them all at once. The best way to learn is to hop in and experiment. Have you found any pages that you want to work on yet? Rjjiii (ii) (talk) 00:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Rjjiii (ii) ( No, thank you. And thanks for telling me that "The best way to learn is to hop in and experiment." An○~t@○~m○ (talk)

@Anotaomo: can you please fix your signature, it's turned the subsequent text orange! --DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Im sorry. I deleted the color. An○~t@○~m○ (talk)

@Anotaomo: I'm going to have to ask you to change your signature once again, please. The standard blue text is unreadable against a dark green background. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Im SO sorry

An○~t@○~m○ (talk)

RVIA and top tech challenge

I appreciate and respect the COI issue. I was hoping you could, or you know someone who could create and edit a post about the RVIA and their Top Tech Challenge. At best I would hope to provide some first-hand knowledge to the creator, editor, or publisher. I so much enjoy being a part of the RV industry and community that I am hoping to generate more appreciation for it. It seams like a great idea to get it posted on Misplaced Pages. There are many articles about the competition and the participants. What the tasks were that made up the competition. I thought it would be a worthwhile addition to the culture of the knowledge base of this community. By no means did I intend to write, edit, or publish this myself. I do not see myself as a writer. I am looking for some guidance on how to get such a historical record into the Misplaced Pages database. Are you able to point me in the right direction, or assist in some way? Thank you for your help, I am sure together we can make the difference. Brandon as Top Tech (talk) 00:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Brandon as Top Tech: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're looking for someone to create a new article, try posting your request at the appropriate subpage of Misplaced Pages:Requested articles with the best three independent published sources you have. If you're looking for assistance with an existing article, then I suggest posting on the article's talk page. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

To be blunt, the Recreational Vehicle Industry Association (RVIA) is an obscure organization, and it having a contest for technicians to diagnose and fix RV problems (the Top Tech Challenge) is also obscure. Your COI - you having won the Top Tech Challenge - does complicate your intent, but not impossible. The larger problem is your statement that you do not plan to attempt creating an article about the topic. Is there anyone else in the RVIA who might be willing to take up the task? As for how to approach this, an article about the RVIA, with a section about the Top Tech Challenge would be more likely to succeed than a submitted draft about just the challenge. David notMD (talk) 09:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, David, for your bluntness and great information. I appreciate straight talk very much. RVIA being obscure is true, there are those who know of it and those who do not. I hope you can have a wonderful day! 64.178.233.44 (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

So very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to lay that out for me. Have a great day. 64.178.233.44 (talk) 12:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

What should I do for my article? Draft:0 (Ichiko Aoba album)

My article Draft:0 (Ichiko Aoba album) was denied earlier today for a lack of sources. I added some stuff, but I'm wondering what exactly I should add and where. Thanks! Rooves 13 (talk) 00:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rooves 13 - Additional independent album reviews would be helpful. GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

WP articles need to meet WP's requirements for notability - WP:N. For an album, there are guielines at WP:NALBUM; and then there is a general guideline at WP:GNG. I think the article right now is missing independent sources that provide significant coverage of the album; you have a single review, discogs, and two shops. Per GNG, "multiple sources are generally expected". --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft's notability

I submitted the draft for a historical textile company and it was twice rejected as the sources didn't show notability. I'd like just to hear more details why the sources in the draft are not good:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Croscill

In short, some of the sources are copied from other notable encyclopedias (including encyclopedia.com) from the Pre-Internet era. Other sources are more easily verifiable in the references. This is my final request and in case I get the same feedback supporting questionable notability, I'm ready to abandon this project. Otherwise, please, advise. Bormenthalchik82 (talk) 01:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I think there must be some doubt about whether sources like hometextilestoday and bizjournals are reliable sources, or are reprinters of company PR. There is an ecosystem of print publications and websites which give the appearance of being journalism, but which are in effect marketing companies. Taking the latter, for instance, the article you linked to is a couple of clicks away from their claims that "The Business Journals Content Studio has partnered with hundreds of clients since 2016 to publish more than 15,000 pieces of client content across more than 18 industry verticals." Misplaced Pages should not be a venue for company promotion, and the use of sites like these to provide citations supporting articles about otherwise unremarkable commercial enterprises can be seen as an attempt to co-opt[REDACTED] into being a marketing platform rather than an encyclopedia. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Userpage formatting help?

Silly question, how could I keep my Service Award template from running through my userboxes on my user page? Page formatting is not my forte. miranda 01:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Try adding {{clear}} just before the Service Award template; it will shift the award out of the way of the userboxes. Ca 02:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

That did it! Thank you so much! miranda 02:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft Timeline

Hey everyone! I just submitted my first article draft for review, woop woop! Since articles are reviewed in no particular order (I know it says about 3 months), I was wondering how long typically drafts take to be reviewed and if it would be worth me plugging it here or asking the live chat. Sorry if this is a redundant question, I know there's a million tools available for help and I'm still getting around to them.

Thank you all so much in advance for your help and time! :) Dannycool3000 (talk) 02:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@dannycool3000: it can take anywhere from two weeks to six months, honestly. and don't ask anyone to review it, it's not allowed here. ltbdl (talk) 02:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Ah, got it! Thank you so much! Fingers crossed it's more on the 2-week spectrum of things, haha. Dannycool3000 (talk) 02:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I reviewed it. I don't suppose you'll like the result much :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Dannycool3000: I've also marked the page for speedy deletion. The website of the subject happens to contain the same string as the username of the author - Dannycool3000. Amateur mistake. Please don't try to use[REDACTED] for self-promotion; it's not what it is here for and it is actually offensive. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Attempts at autobiography almost always fail (see WP:AUTO for reasons). I hope you find other paths for contributing to Misplaced Pages. David notMD (talk) 09:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Date formatting

The latest revision of Swissport changes all the dates in the body of the article from MDY (e.g. October 30, 2023) to DMY (e.g. 30 October 2023).

Since this is the only set of changes that was made, and this nominally violates MOS:DATERET, can/should the edit be reverted? Echohawkdown (talk) 03:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

As an aside - asking because I wanna unify the date format of all the refs in the article to YMD (like ISO 8601) & want to have the article standardize on a single date format for the article body. Echohawkdown (talk) 03:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

fwiw, I think DMY works well. MDY would also work, I guess. YMD, in my view, would not work at all well. "In 2018 June 30 blah blah blah" just is not done. I don;t suppose I can convince you to leave it as it is? --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine w/ leaving the article body dates formatted as is, in its current DMY state if that means one less edit in the edit history, considering that it doesn't really impact the legibility of the article.

I suppose I'm just asking because I find that changing the date formats in the article body (which seems to be a thing that Priory ties's edit history seems to confirm) just to conform w/ the user's own date formatting preferences is grating as it doesn't really improve the quality of the article.

However, I would still like to switch all the date formats for the references to YMD to unify the date refs, since they're split between DMY & YMD at the moment. Echohawkdown (talk) 03:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

That works for me. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Arbitrarily changing date formats is disruptive, and there is no prohibition on reverting. That said, this is a Swiss company that uses dmy on its website, so there is an argument for leaving it. You could put the references in a different format to the body, but be aware there are a couple of in-article maintenance templates that shift all citation template references to dmy or mdy. CMD (talk) 03:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

This is a Swiss company, so in my opinion, the date formatting most commonly used in Switzerland should be used, which is DMY. I say that as an American who uses the MDY format in my daily life. Cullen328 (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm still getting used to contributing to Misplaced Pages, so could you clarify which in-article maintenance templates switch dates to DMY or YMD by default? Because I wasn't aware that there's a difference between the date format rendering in the different Citation/Cite web/Cite X templates. Echohawkdown (talk) 03:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Echohawkdown: {{Use mdy dates}} and {{Use dmy dates}} will change how dates in citation templates are displayed, but not dates in the article text. GoingBatty (talk) 04:15, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Konstantin Kedrov

 Courtesy link: Draft:Konstantin Kedrov

Please help me to finalize the article Konstantin Kedrov, sincerely Ivanaivanova (talk) 09:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

My notification is gone! :-d

I was so excited :-( So my notification is..... GONE! when i click the arrow (pointing left) on the top left i had a 1 notification then i clicked the arrow then... BOOM! 0 Notifications. Can you fix this? An○~t@○~m○ (talk)

Anotaomo try checking Special:Notifications. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 11:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Cant see it. Anotaomo (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Anotaomo - Sungodtemple is suggesting you click on that link - Special:Notifications - you don't need to find it - Arjayay (talk) 12:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I did :-| --Anotaomo (talk) 12:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

biology

why do girls require less energy per day than boys 41.210.165.14 (talk) 12:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

This page is for asking for help with editing or using Misplaced Pages. You may have more luck if you ask at the reference desk, but I think your premise may be flawed. Shantavira| 12:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Adopt me missionedit!

Missionedit is not adopting me! I dont know why! --Anotaomo (talk) 13:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Anotaomo. Missionedit's user page states they are busy with real life and they have not edited Misplaced Pages in a year. I would suggest they are currently an inactive editor, and therefore have not seen your adoption request. I would recommend finding an editor who is more active. Qcne (talk) 13:13, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Qcne! :-D --Anotaomo (talk) 13:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Anyone suggest a Adoptee for me? --Anotaomo (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Anotaomo You may have already been assigned a mentor, what does Special:Homepage say? Does it have a tab that says 'Your mentor'? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Anotaomo Please read the introductory information at WP:ADOPT to appreciate that 'Adoption' is intended for relatively new users who already have some basic knowledge of editing, but who want to gain an in-depth understanding of the more complexities of how Misplaced Pages works. To be frank, it is not best suited to users who claim to be totally new to Misplaced Pages. If you have specific questions, do please ask them here.

Adoption takes a lot of investment of time and effort on both sides. At the moment the account you are using has not attempted to edit one single mainspace article. As such, I doubt anyone would consider investing their time to train you in Misplaced Pages editing until you have demonstrated a degree of commitment and willingness to 'have a go' yourself. That is not intended to be rude -simply the reality that this Teahouse can meet your needs more effectively should you genuinely need help.

TBH: We do expect new users to 'have a go' and you are evidently competent enough to create and add Userboxes and join lots of WikiProjects, and I have already left some helpful links and advice on your talk page. Please work through some of them, and feel free to ask questions again once you've had a go and encountered a real practical problem that you are unable to resolve by reading our help pages. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Cant see it homepage is always loading. --Anotaomo (talk) 14:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Deleting a draft article

So My draft about the Diplomatic Relations between Bhutan and Indonesia was not accepted due to lack of references, which is a result of not much involvement of Bhutan in Indonesia's diplomatic outreach. Because of this, I had to decline all the things that I've typed on the article. Meanwhile, User:EmeraldRange told me "Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing" so how do I delete said draft? Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@Underdwarf58: If you were the sole contributor to the draft, just add {{Db-author}} at the top of it, and an administrator will delete it. Deor (talk) 13:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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