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| * I do not think this article needs be cleaned up, but that's just my opinion. I did remove the tag becuase it was interferring with the article. It was partially blocked by the picture and made the article look bad. I have no problem with discussing tis first, but Prae made some big changes and blanked large parts of the article out. I don't think the article is too long, I really don't. So I think we need to discuss any future edits like this here first. No hard feelings.] 15:53, September 6, 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| == Main coon == | |||
| * The notice didn't interfere with anything on my computer. It's probably just your browser. That's where notices go, and if you disagree with notices being placed in articles, you should see ]. Don't remove notices unless the reason the notice was placed has been rectified by common consensus (IE: More than just your opinion). I don't think you can argue this-- the content of the old article is unencyclopedic. The behavioral section was just the ramblings of someone describing the activity of a particular cat (and doing so in an unprofessional manner). For more on why the quality of the article needs to be increased, see ]. It has nothing to do with length, but quality (specifically point of view and professionalism). Also, it is in need of copy editing as there are several misplaced modifiers, comma splices and awkward sentences- many of which I fixed but you reverted without even checking. There are also factual errors ("naturally occurring one from New England" -- Domestic animals are never "naturally occuring") which you also reverted. For a model article see ]. ] 16:35, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| In 2006 the Guinness world records named a male pure bred Main coon the longest cat verismo leonetti reserve red better known as Leo measured 120 cm in length from the tip of his nose to the tip of his tail and weighed 16kg that record was broken in 2010 by another main coon a male pure bred named Stevie messering 123cm from nose to tail 😉 hope I helped ] (]) 07:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| * I fixed the problem with the notice box overlapping the breed box (It was in IE 6 Only). I just wrapped it in a div. ] 16:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| : You didn't. | |||
| : You didn't give a link to a reference, which means someone else has to do that work to comply with ]. | |||
| : Over half the words in this post are misspelled or miscapitalized. They're Maine Coons, not "main coons"; it's the "Guinness World Records", not the "Guinness world records"; cats have ''measurements'', not "messerments". These are not all of your errors. This is a serious project and we need contributors to do their very best work if they're going to be good contributors. If you are dictating your contributions, it is your responsibility to proofread the dictation output; you cannot expect other editors to do this for you, especially if you do not provide a reference. Your contributions are welcome but you must take this much more seriously. Thanks. - ''']''' '']'' 15:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sorry 😞 I’m only 9 years old and I have not good spelling ] (]) 23:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == Origin == | ||
| *If the notice is just on my computer, I can accept that, but I must immediately tak eissue withone ting. I'm not sure if you know much about the COon, but is was oirigianlly anaturally occurring bred. Unlike most other breeds, the original traits were NATURALLY occuring and were not bred in with selective breeding. You are jsut plain wriong on this one and I must revert. I have nver seen you on this page before, and, frankly, you are being abit presumptious by coming in hre and making alot of major changes without consuting with people who know the subject matter. While the current traits are kept a part of the bred by selective breeding, they origanlly ocurred through natural processes as the breed relaly did adapt itslef ot Maine/New Engladn winters. | |||
| The sources we cite on the origins of Maine Coon's in North America are exceptionally poor quality. I wasn't able to find much better, excepting , which is at least by-lined (but is still basically a blog). ] (]) 16:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *As far as the edits to the behavrial seciton, I will admit that it needs some editing, but simply blanking out th eentire thing is a little much. The fact is I have a Coon and mnay if not all of the things that were ont here were DEAD on what our cat does, so it's not just some crazy person's ramblings. please discuss here first befroe making any more changes. Please.] 17:50, September 6, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Polydactyl info == | |||
| *I would like to see how toerh peoplef eel here. I've beena littl while and no one has ever commented on how the article needed so much work (see below). Let me clarify my point on th naturally occurring language. yes, the breed is a domesticated cat, but for a long time, the characterstics of the cat were nturally bred in. The bushy undercoat is great for keeping their bellies of th snow, but thweir back has short hair, so that it doesn't get too tangled int he brush. The mere fact that this cat can do great in Maine winters is evidence of th e fact that these characteristics were naturally bred in before they were preserved through selective breeding. Your blanket statement that Domestic animals are never 'naturally occuring'" is simply not true. Many of these cats are feral and many of the above described traits were not created by man originally. I think the modified language fairly and accurately combines both of our edits and I hope you se tht and don't start an edit war on a page you've never spent any real time on. Thanks.] 18:04, September 6, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| The part of the Health section on polydactyly is outdated/inaccurate. In fact, some of the references given (16, 20, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49) actually refute the claims. | |||
| *With respect, the fact that a user is new to a page is no basis to complain about thier edits. It is the nature of Misplaced Pages that anyone can edit as they see fit. The inclusion of the tag and the copy editing were entirely valid. | |||
| The Health section says that Polydactylism is “rarely seen in Maine Coons in the show ring since it is not allowed by competition standards.” This is outdated. Polydactyly has been present in the Maine Coon breed since it’s beginning (see references 20 and 49). The Maine Coon polydactyl trait has been historically accepted some organizations, and others have re-added it to the breed standard. More are working on getting it added. For example, TICA began accepting polydactyl Maine Coons in to full Championship status in 2015 (see reference 16). | |||
| :The article clearly did need some cleaning up. It's making more sense now. "The breed has naturally occurring features" didn't really mean anything - ''all'' species have naturally occuring features. ] 18:46, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| The Health section also says the polydactyl gene “has shown to pose a threat to the cat's health. The polydactylism are genetic problems which are not encouraged for breeding.” | |||
| * Final point, (I swear) after all your edits, do you sitll really feel the tag is necessary? If so, what do you think this needs to remove the tag? I for one vote to remove it now that you've made significant edits and I hope that others will join me so that we can get that consensus you had mentioned.] 18:07, September 6, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| The type of polydactyly found in Maine Coons is isolated, and not known to be connected to any health issues or genetic problems. This is corroborated by references 45, 46, 47, 48, 49 in the article. ] (]) 18:59, 27 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
| * That's much better. The fact is that the breed is not "naturally occurring," but has "naturally adapted" meaning that the species is a domesticated animal, and its appearance somewhere can <i>never</i> be natural, but what the cat adapts into <i>can</i> indeed be natural. The article could still stand to be improved a bit, so I'm going to leave the tag up for another couple of days to see if anyone else has anything to add/change. ] 19:47, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :It says it's not common in the show ring, it doesn't mention how common it is in the breed. ] (]) 22:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Instead of simply declaring that "he article could still stand to be improved a bit" and leaving the tag there. Why don't you let us all in on the secret and tell us HOW or just make the edits yourself, ou weren't shy before. Please! Why do we have to guess at what you think is wrong with it? (Not a rhetorical question). I think it's a really good piece now and while nothing is perfect I think enough work has been done on it to remove your tag. But if I do you will put it back and get mad, so just tell us what you think should be done or edit what needs to be done to your satisfaction. Thanks for all your work, believe it or not I do appreciate thatsomeone else is putting their time into the article, as evidenced by the fact that I've not challenged/ reverted almost all of your edits. please just let us in on what you think is wrong now so we cna move on insread of waiting an arbitrary period of time. | |||
| == Photos on page - evidence these are Maine Coons? == | |||
| I will not present myself as an expert on Maine Coons - I am a veterinarian working with dogs and cats and this breed of cat is fairly uncommon in the area I work. That said, I have worked with a few and they have a very distinctive look. | |||
| :Again, no disrespect intended, but it sounds to me like you're being a little overly protective of 'your' article. I think it could benefit from further editing, and that the tag should stay, for now. | |||
| I will also note that in my professional experience, many, many pet owners with rescued domestic long haired cats (DLHs - regular domestic cats with long hair) will identify their cats as Maine Coons or Maine Coon crosses when they are almost certainly just regular long haired cats. It is basically a shared joke among veterinarians, and we're always excited to see a real one. | |||
| :For a start, what does "Cold New England ]s have made this cat very well adapted to cold weather" really mean? Are we talking about natural selection here? If so, say so, and tell us how that's come about. See sites below that's why they're there. | |||
| With that in mind - I am not sure all the cats on this page are Maine Coons. Specifically the main image as of writing - the facial structure seems... inconsistent with the verified Maine Coons I have seen in practice, and more consistent with a DLH (there is a gallery at the bottom of the page that shows good examples of facial structure, and a somewhat suspect red tabby and silver tabby). Are there any die-hard Maine Coon people (like, breeders or showers that have experience with verified MCs) that monitor this page? Are these photos within reasonable variation of the breed or are they just random DLHs that well intentioned (but wrong) pet owners have thrown up on Wikimedia? The ones I am most suspicious about are the main image (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:Maine_Coon_cat_by_Tomitheos.JPG) and (to a lesser extent) the red tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%82.jpg) and silver tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:MaineCoonSilverTabby.jpg) at the bottom. Unless someone can demonstrate otherwise I think the main image should be changed. ] (]) 22:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :What are the sources for the possible origin of the name (which sound a little dubious)? See below for this one as well. | |||
| :Can't answer for the others, but the silver tabby is a purebred Maine Coon with breeders code MCO 64 18 (source: it's my cat). ] (]) 11:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Good Article Reassessment == | |||
| :There are other areas which could undoubtedly benefit from rephrasing. The fact that individual editors might not immediately know how to improve them does not detract from that observation, nor does the clean up tag detract from the article. On the contrary, give it a few days, and it will probably be much improved. ] 20:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| : Just to prove the point, I've edited somewhat.... tell me that any one of those changes doesn't improve the flow of the text, and I'll happily argue til the cats come home. :) ] 20:35, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| I'm not going to let this bother me anymore. I for one don't think those things are important enough for me to to scramble and find that for you and certainly don't think they're important enough to have that ugly tag marring the page. I am not going to waste my time coming up with info that others think is important. You want it? You find it and put it on the page. A simply google search (or looking on those web pages I found) would answer all your questions, but I have better things to do than to fix problems that only other people feel exist. If you don't want to take the time either that's fine, let it rest for a couple days but that tag should be gone by then. I'm done talking about this. AM I protective? yeah, I've put time into this article and I hate to see it being tagged like this when it really is not deserving of a tag. It needs work. Sure, all pages do, but its hard to say an article that is not this short needs to be cleaned up. I've looked at the other pages on the clean up list and this page is simply not like those. This entire episode just seems unjustified as this apge has existe din its previous form for so lon without ANY complaints and only compliments. Oh well, I'll wait it out, maybe you or Prea can make more of your changes and then we can move on. Oh and great edits! What's you point? I can go to any page and improve it, does that mean it needs to be tagged? That's my point, I have no problem with almost of all these edits, but to tag it isn't justified. We don't tag every page that needs some (now) minor edits and you're now only making minor edits. Take the tag off and I'll happily and quietly watch your great edits all day.] 20:42, September 6, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Allright Igave in and find out some of the things you think the article needs. Polish them up any way you se fit, but I think they answered your questions. Let me know and no hard feelings. Kay?] 20:56, September 6, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| : Well,the good news is that I think you've answered my questions very well, and I think the article is much better for it - so much so that I'm going to remove the tag. The bad news is that I think we've just worked together to prove that Praetorian42 was right to add the tag in the first place. :P If Praetorian42 puts it back, and gives reasons, then they might well be worth listening to.... | |||
| :If you are aware of articles more deserving of a tag than this was, you should ''certainly'' tag them - the tags improve the standard of Misplaced Pages - there's no need for anybody to take them as a personal insult. ] 22:13, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Nice pictures == | |||
| What a fascinating article! I have never seen a Maine Coon and I am just amazed that such a beautiful cat exists. Thank you for the picture of the Maine Coon cat next to the normal housecat. I did check the links, but do wonder if it would it be possible to find more pictures of the Coons along side their diminutive cousins? :-) ] 04:59, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I have a picture of Maine coon with another cat, unfortunately it’s a rather large black and white mix breed of some kind that weighs about 15lbs… next to a pedigree (at least looks like a pedigree) Maine coon of 20lbs, obviously the difference in size is not striking. --] 01:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
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Main coon
In 2006 the Guinness world records named a male pure bred Main coon the longest cat verismo leonetti reserve red better known as Leo measured 120 cm in length from the tip of his nose to the tip of his tail and weighed 16kg that record was broken in 2010 by another main coon a male pure bred named Stevie messering 123cm from nose to tail 😉 hope I helped Lillybootsy (talk) 07:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- You didn't.
- You didn't give a link to a reference, which means someone else has to do that work to comply with WP:V.
- Over half the words in this post are misspelled or miscapitalized. They're Maine Coons, not "main coons"; it's the "Guinness World Records", not the "Guinness world records"; cats have measurements, not "messerments". These are not all of your errors. This is a serious project and we need contributors to do their very best work if they're going to be good contributors. If you are dictating your contributions, it is your responsibility to proofread the dictation output; you cannot expect other editors to do this for you, especially if you do not provide a reference. Your contributions are welcome but you must take this much more seriously. Thanks. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 15:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry 😞 I’m only 9 years old and I have not good spelling Lillybootsy (talk) 23:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Origin
The sources we cite on the origins of Maine Coon's in North America are exceptionally poor quality. I wasn't able to find much better, excepting this one, which is at least by-lined (but is still basically a blog). Suriname0 (talk) 16:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Polydactyl info
The part of the Health section on polydactyly is outdated/inaccurate. In fact, some of the references given (16, 20, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49) actually refute the claims.
The Health section says that Polydactylism is “rarely seen in Maine Coons in the show ring since it is not allowed by competition standards.” This is outdated. Polydactyly has been present in the Maine Coon breed since it’s beginning (see references 20 and 49). The Maine Coon polydactyl trait has been historically accepted some organizations, and others have re-added it to the breed standard. More are working on getting it added. For example, TICA began accepting polydactyl Maine Coons in to full Championship status in 2015 (see reference 16).
The Health section also says the polydactyl gene “has shown to pose a threat to the cat's health. The polydactylism are genetic problems which are not encouraged for breeding.”
The type of polydactyly found in Maine Coons is isolated, and not known to be connected to any health issues or genetic problems. This is corroborated by references 45, 46, 47, 48, 49 in the article. ChicagoK9 (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- It says it's not common in the show ring, it doesn't mention how common it is in the breed. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Photos on page - evidence these are Maine Coons?
I will not present myself as an expert on Maine Coons - I am a veterinarian working with dogs and cats and this breed of cat is fairly uncommon in the area I work. That said, I have worked with a few and they have a very distinctive look.
I will also note that in my professional experience, many, many pet owners with rescued domestic long haired cats (DLHs - regular domestic cats with long hair) will identify their cats as Maine Coons or Maine Coon crosses when they are almost certainly just regular long haired cats. It is basically a shared joke among veterinarians, and we're always excited to see a real one.
With that in mind - I am not sure all the cats on this page are Maine Coons. Specifically the main image as of writing - the facial structure seems... inconsistent with the verified Maine Coons I have seen in practice, and more consistent with a DLH (there is a gallery at the bottom of the page that shows good examples of facial structure, and a somewhat suspect red tabby and silver tabby). Are there any die-hard Maine Coon people (like, breeders or showers that have experience with verified MCs) that monitor this page? Are these photos within reasonable variation of the breed or are they just random DLHs that well intentioned (but wrong) pet owners have thrown up on Wikimedia? The ones I am most suspicious about are the main image (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:Maine_Coon_cat_by_Tomitheos.JPG) and (to a lesser extent) the red tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%82.jpg) and silver tabby (https://en.wikipedia.org/Maine_Coon#/media/File:MaineCoonSilverTabby.jpg) at the bottom. Unless someone can demonstrate otherwise I think the main image should be changed. Connor Long (talk) 22:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Can't answer for the others, but the silver tabby is a purebred Maine Coon with breeders code MCO 64 18 (source: it's my cat). Barry Wom (talk) 11:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Maine Coon
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- Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:53, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Multiple claims currently sourced to unreliable sources and I've had to remove an erroneous and ludicrous health claim present for 4 years. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment further review has lead me to find multiple instances of plagiarism in the article as well. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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