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Self promotion

Peter, in your few days on wikipedia, it looks like the vast majority of your edits are additions of links to your own writings in your own web directory, on a service that likes to display pop-up ads. This is very unlike the kind of contribution and collaboration that builds a good wikipedia. It is officially frowned on to put so much of your own stuff; if it's important, someone else should notice and link it. I reverted one when it popped up an ad on me, but I intend to revert some more. It would be better if you'd remove them yourself and start over on a more productive path here. Dicklyon 22:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I see you've also created a number of new articles. This is definitely the right way to go, but make them complete enough to stand on their own. Linking your own stuff from your own new article about concepts you invented is definitely going to get you over the line on WP:NOR, WP:POV and other WP:RULES; see also WP:5P and WP:NOT. Dicklyon 23:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Enthusiasm

Thanks for the remarks, I will take care not to break the rules, I have been too entusastic ... Over the years I have written several pages on a wide variety of topics, which are also linked to from other sites, so I did not mean adding them to Misplaced Pages as self-promotion. I did not know that it is forbidden to link to whatever text one has written, regardless of its value for the topic?

The pop-up ads are Google-ads on non-Misplaced Pages pages, is this an infringement of Misplaced Pages policies?

Starting articles: I should add the "stub"-remark, because I am afraid to break copyright rules when adding text. I should also insert the remark "needs attention".

One of the issues I read on Misplaced Pages is that it is "not done" to write un-referenced articles, so I start with providing references to provide a clue to (preferably peer-reviewed) sources. As copyright infringements are removed, it is extremely important to be careful when writing a text.

I apologize for the inconvenience caused by my lack of experience and over-enthusiastic referencing Pvosta 15:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC).

Helpme

Is it forbidden to link to pages one has written regardless of their relevance to the topic?

Where would these links be put? I don't see any problem with doing so if there's good reason to. _{J Di} 10:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The most important links which are contested are (I put them here to leave it for others to decide) Pvosta 15:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC):

Microscopy: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvosta/pcrimg.htm

Drug discovery and development: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvosta/hcpphrm.htm

Human Cytome project: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvosta/humcyt.htm

Scale space implementations: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvosta/proc_rms.pdf

It depends on if it would actually help the article. Reading WP:EL might help you make a decision about it. _{J Di} 11:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This is what I should have known before I started (again): http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Avoiding_common_mistakes

Suggesting (personal-)links and leave it to others to decide to include them is the way to go Pvosta 15:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC).

Thank you for "not biting" a newbie (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers) Pvosta 15:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC).

Peter, you're a quick learner. I look forward to your contributions. On your web pages, you're right that you can suggest them and let others decide. They're more likely to like them if they don't link to your consulting business and CV, and if they don't generate popup ads. But even if they do get included as external links, pages you wrote are almost never "references" unless they are copies of published materials that have benefitted from the scrutiny of peer review or a reputable editor. See WP:CITE and WP:V. Dicklyon 03:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Dick, thanks once again for the information, I am learning. My "personal pages" seem to be hopeless for linking from Misplaced Pages as they constitute a fundamental breach of Misplaced Pages policy WP:RS (Self-published sources). Although I make them "in good faith", this is of course no guarantee whatsoever that I produce anything reliable (thrustworthy) on a personal webpage as they are are not subjected to public scrutiny. I could rewrite them as a whole or partially on Misplaced Pages, but some of them have taken me years of work. They will live further in Misplaced Pages "limbo" (self-published source, personal, self-promotion,...) but maybe people can use them as a source for writing properly reviewed articles and use some of the links as a contribution for Misplaced Pages. A validation procedure for personal pages could help, or a place where they can be put for review????Pvosta 14:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Dick, there is a webpage of me on "Lambic and geuze", which breaks every guideline on "self-promotion" and "pop-up" adds (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvosta/pcrbier1.htm), but which was put as a link on the "Lambic" page of Misplaced Pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/Lambic) by someone else and has been on that page probably for years. It is a "personal page", so I have mentioned this infringement on the discussion page of this article.

If somebody else thought your page was worth linking from a[REDACTED] article, that's a whole different deal from you deciding to link to your own stuff. But if you think it's not appropriate you should of course feel free to remove it. Dicklyon 21:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Dick, thanks for the answer. Removing the "Lambic page" myself is a bit too much (it took me a lot of work to create the content). I leave it up to experienced editors to decide on the fate of the link.Pvosta 14:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Name of site

That's the exact name of the site (with full name) on the blue banner at the very top of the site. Badagnani 07:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I have to change this to be in-synch with the title of the link from "The Lambic beers"Pvosta 07:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha -- I think I've had a link to your page on my own homepage for over 10 years! Badagnani 07:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The name of the webpage has been changed (should re-read the webpages more often). I hope the additional references on Lambic and Gueuze provide more background information. Pvosta 09:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

HIPAA and related topics

Hi... I just wanted to let you know that I'm not out to get you or anything. The reason I've listed a couple of pages you created for deletion is that there have been quite a few problems with HIPAA and pages which have been forked off HIPAA serving as a warehouse for commerical links to consulting firms. I'd encourage your goal of creating a series of pages on clinical trials, but including commerical links on a page which otherwise has little content is a red flag. Feel free to list the pages you create as "stubs" (see WP:STUB for more info on stubs and stub categories); this tells other users that the article needs expansion and invites their input. MastCell 21:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for the clarification, it certainly is frightening being listed for deletion. The reason for linking from HIPAA to clinical data management is that the privacy rules in HIPAA are of major concern in data handling in clinical data management and in managing data in clinical trials. I try to fill some gaps in articles on clincial development, but I start with small entries because of lack of time and I always hope (in vain?) that this kickof will get other people interested. I also prefer linking from "See also's" instead of inserting a sentence in an article with an "artificial" link.Pvosta 13:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Yellow Card Scheme

Thanks for your useful additions to the Yellow Card Scheme article. As you obviously have some knowledge in this area (I myself am a UK pharmacist studying a PhD) I wonder if you have any suggestions as to what other information may be appropriate in expanding this article. Leave any thoughts on my talk page. Happy wifipediaing! Cheers --Lethaniol 17:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• Lethaniol, in the EU Pharmacovigilance is now being dealt with by the EudraVigilance system. Pvosta 17:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Welkom!

Welkom bij WikiProject Belgium! Moest je vragen ofzo hebben mag je ze me altijd stellen.

veel plezier, groeten --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Concilium

Thanks for the edits; it is much better. Do you know what Pope Benedict XVI's relationship was and how many years he wrote for the journal? That may be helpful in filing out the article. Thanks. Storm Rider 18:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC).

• Thank you for the comment. I edited the article because of its relation with father Schillebeeckx, who is Flemish, and I am working on improving the information on Flanders and Flemings in Misplaced Pages (mainly on our science and biomedical research). I have no information on the relation of Pope Benedict XVI with the journal. Pvosta 08:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

TC 125

Hello, Pvosta, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. An article you recently created, TC 125, has been tagged for speedy deletion because its content is clearly written to promote a company, product, or service. This article may have been deleted by the time you see this message. Please keep in mind that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not an advertising service. Thank you. Princess Tiswas 12:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• TC125 is not a company, but an organization working on the development of EHR standards in Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvosta (talk • contribs)
  • I've replied in TC125 :: Princess Tiswas 12:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

ELSO article

Hi Pvosta, thanks for your corrections of the article on ELSO (European Life Science Organisation). Even though I would have put the various additions and corrections into less separate article saves to not bloat the version list, I like the changes. Thanks. --Jasu 12:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Jasu, thank you for your kind remark. The reason for editing in (very) small increments is the instability of the connection to Misplaced Pages. I once lost a lot of work because something went wrong with the connection. This has lead to "micro-editing" from my side to avoid losing my work.Pvosta 12:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Stub Categories

Hi, I notice you've created a number of uncategorised stubs recently. It would be more helpful if you could use a specific stub tag, such as {{measurement-stub}} - a complete list of stub categories can be found here. Jeodesic 23:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Jeodesic, thank you for your remark, I am still learning. Pvosta 10:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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The article what you sent me a message about

Hi, sorry if you believe it was marked as incorrect but I believed it needed deletion; but never mind! anmyway apologies and I'm sure we can come to an agreement over this.

Kind Regards.......Tellyaddict 20:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Frank Beuselinck

You deleted my page on Frank Beuselinck who is one of the Captains of Industry of Belgium. The page was created less than an hour ago and marked as a stub to indicate that it needs further work. Pvosta 19:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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Adding Freemasons

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Regularity contribs

The information is appreciated, but it needs a source. It's very difficulty to source after the fact from someone else's information. MSJapan 17:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I added two references to the history section. Pvosta 17:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

NPOV on regularity

The problem is that a section on "liberal" Freemasonry pretty much unfocuses the article. First off, all the information we have is on regular Freemasonry, because there's almost nothing in English about the other. Moreover, almost everything is totally different - the history, membership requirements, and everything else. We'd need two sets of history, two sets of requirements, and so on. The article would be so confusing as to be unusable. It's almost too big as it is.

One of the other reasons we don't have GodF in there (aside from a reference) is because irregular Freemasonry in general (at least in English-speaking countries) is messy (and a bit shifty, IMHO) - if a few guys get mad at their GL and go off and start a new one, they try to get the URL into the articles as "regular" when in fact going there will get a regular Mason suspended, and many times it's only a few people who ever run these things. Regularity also allows for a systematic approach - there generally isn't more than one recognized GL in a country, and again, the rest are usually formed because somebody got mad at somebody else. I mean, Belgium is how big and it's got at least four different web addresses for Grand Lodges of one type of another. I can't tell which is which, but I know which one is UGLE-recognized.

That being said, a decent article on Le Droit Humain would be useful, and we've got some stuff on Internatial Co-Freemasonry that could be added to. I just don't see a feasible way to add "liberal" stuff into the main article without making it too unwieldy and confusing for everybody. MSJapan 15:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)