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==Problem==


== Requested move 22 January 2019 ==
It may be too POV for the article, but there should be a way to mention this: regardless of their message, these girls just can't SING. Their act sounds like a cross between Karioke night at Chuck E. Cheese and a junior high school open mike. Are there any musical critiques to link to that mention this? ] (]) 04:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


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==Prussian ''Blue''?!==


*aaand it's move-protected. Awaiting admin help. '''<span style="font-family: Arial">] ]</span>''' 17:50, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
FYI: The "official" Prussian colors were Black and White. Not much potential here for racism...
:I’ve requested this to be moved at ]. ] (] - ]) 19:17, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
::it’s been moved. ] (] - ]) 00:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


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The result of the move request was: '''Moved''': overall, consensus seems to be in favour of the move, especially due to the evidence of some sources using capitals to refer to the colour. <small>(])</small> '''<span style="font-family: Arial">] ]</span>''' 17:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
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it refers to a chemical that holocaust deniers refer to in denying the holocaust, saying it wasn't present at N/azi gas chambers] (]) 07:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The color of the Prussian uniforms were blue. Their flag was black and white. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Prussian Blue is the specific color of blue of the uniforms themselves, but the band's name might be kind of tongue-in-cheek because it was one of the first synthetic paints and invented by a German, to boot. You'll see it called Berlin blue as well. It's a dark, fairly natural sort of blue, well suited towards landscapes and such. It's extremely complex and very traditional, maybe something else the band was going for? It's not as popular today as in the past, with blues like phthalo or cobalt allowing for more versatility as a pigment, but a few artists do swear by it. Irony there too, perhaps, as the band's views represent a (hopefully) vanishing minority of the population? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::Now look which country had Prussian Blue uniforms for their military https://en.wikipedia.org/Uniform_of_the_Union_Army and yes, it is a technical term for a certain color tone. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==There are three bands called Prussian Blue==

See . There absolutely, absolutely needs to be a disambiguation between the three. The other two bands are not racist at all and if people come to Misplaced Pages to look for information on one of the other Prussian Blues, they might get the impression that we are trying to smear them as racist. Which we are obviously not trying to do, but we need to remain on the safe side. Would someone who knows how to do it, please create a disambiguation ASAP. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:There's currently a disambig. between the racist duo and the color, but not for the other two bands. Are these bands notable enough on their own to warrant their own articles (and a spot on the disambig.), or are they only notable because they share a name with this group? ] (]) 12:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hello, you've mentioned that there's already a disambiguation page between this band and the color? Ahh, if there is one, is it functioning normally? The reason why I ask is because I tried searching for the color, "Prussian blue", but I capitalized the B in blue, typing in "Prussian Blue", and it brought me here straight here instead of any disambiguation page. I'm just wondering because that doesn't seem normal; I thought that normally it should bring me to a disambiguation page? Let me tell you, I was just expecting to read the article on the color, not this. . . very unsettling article here instead. Also, I'm sorry ahead of time if this comment/question is out of place, if it is, please let me know. Thank you! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Louios Theroux ==

They were featured on a program with louis theroux. Is that relevent? the program was abou naziism is america. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==health problems?==

The text mentioned health problems but the link (http://thewhiterealist.net/showthread.php?t=22253) seems to not work any more. I hope the girls are fine! ] (]) 07:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== NOT SUPREMACIST ==
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WHY DO YOU LIE ABOUT THEM? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:...and pray tell, what would you call them? ] <sup>]</sup> 17:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:: As I understand it, they call themselves nationalists, not supremacists. Seems to me we should do the same. ] (]) 21:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::: OK, but then it also needs a statement as to what they are called, not only what they call themselves. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::: <s>What they are called by whom?</s> I've seen your edits and they seem fairly reasonable to me. The only (minor) problem is that neither citation says the twins are supremacists, but the second citation says that they are (were?) very popular among supremacists. ] (]) 02:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

so change it to what they really are and stop defaming these two girls. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:we are not defaming, we are reporting, and yes, the second source says supremacist. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

but THEY dont say that they are supremacists and neither does their mother. so what is the source? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Read it. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

*If you're going to argue please create an account. No-one takes unsigned comments that seriously. Second, just because they don't call themselves supremacists doesn't mean they aren't. If Bill Gates declared myself a pumpkin or king of Jupiter would that be put on his page instead of businessman? ] (]) 13:44, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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==Pigment==
This page needs disambiguation from Prussian Blue, the pigment aka iron(III) hexacyanoferrate(II)
] (]) 20:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

:It's there. The very first line says:
:{{for|the color and iron–cyanide complex|Prussian blue}}
:Is that insufficiently clear? &nbsp; <b>]&nbsp; ]&nbsp; </b> 22:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
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'''No consensus''' to move. ] (]) 02:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

] → {{no redirect|1=Prussian Blue (American duo)}} — <small>'''Relisted'''. ] (]) 07:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC)</small> The current title is too similar to ], the colour, which is far more notable than this defunct band/duo thingy. There are several incoming links to this article which obviously think they're referring to the colour. I'm not actually sure if "(American duo)" is the best disambiguation, but it was the best I came up with. The main thing is that there needs to be some disambiguation. ] &#124; ] 19:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. Capitalization is perfectly acceptable disambiguation for titles. As stated in the section above, hatnotes take care of any possible confusion. And, unless they've already been cleaned up, I found only one incoming link from mainspace intending the color (], which I fixed). ] (]) 00:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Unsure'''; sometimes disambiguation via capitalization is okay, and sometimes it's confusing. This looks like a borderline case to me, so I'm leaning toward supporting a more explicit disambiguation -- especially given the relative unimportance of these girls post-media-hype. ] <sup><small><small>]</small></small></sup> 13:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ] and Station1's good arguments. If people hit that shift button, it makes it more probable it's the duo they're looking for (unless it's a typing error, which should be discounted). The fact that their notability is borderline is an argument for following the guidelines more strictly; less it opens the door to eliminationist arguments like ''"this kind of article is not notable enough to merit a hat note."'', and such. <sup><small><font color="green">]</font></small></sup> <font color="green">]</font><sup><small> <font color="green">]</font></small></sup> 15:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
**That's a ]. I'm not suggesting their notability is in question anyway, merely that they are not an important topic in the encyclopedia. (Not that colors are of any great importance either...) ] <sup><small><small>]</small></small></sup> 16:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
***Not suggesting you're questioning their notability, merely that others might (addressing the fact that they're not a generally popular duo). Important or not, the treatment should be the same. <sup><small><font color="green">]</font></small></sup> <font color="green">]</font><sup><small> <font color="green">]</font></small></sup> 16:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
*What I mean is that what is good enough for ], ] and ], ], should be good enough for ] and ]<sup><small><font color="green">]</font></small></sup> <font color="green">]</font><sup><small> <font color="green">]</font></small></sup> 17:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' <s>'''Agree''' with the proposed move because of the relative notability of the band and the chemical/colour. Misplaced Pages is ultimately a practical tool and we should make it as easy as possible for people to use. The overwhelming majority of people are interested in the chemical/colour rather than the band and so the number of people inconvenienced by looking for the chemical/colour and taken to the wrong article probably vastly outweighs the number who look for, and find, the band first time because of the current naming scheme.</s><br/>Here are links to Grok statistics on ] and ] for September 2009. The band article was moved to ] in October 2009 &mdash; as Grok does not discriminate between upper case and lower case titles, more recent Prussian Blue/blue plots ( and ) are not useful as they are an aggregate of both articles. The band article was getting about 3 or 4 hits a day, the chemical/colour 650 hits a day. Anyone looking for the band and going to the colour page will have probably gone onto the band page from there since at that time there was a link to a ] page. ] (]) 21:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)</s>
:::So the hat note would read ''"For the musical duo, see ]"''. This is the height of redundancy. <sup><small><font color="green">]</font></small></sup> <font color="green">]</font><sup><small> <font color="green">]</font></small></sup> 08:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:*This article was not at ] in September 2009. It was at ]. That month ] got 20801 hits compared to 18093 for ]. - ] (]) 00:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:**Well, if there are about as many people looking at the band article as the pigment then the current naming does seem reasonable, so I have changed my view from agree to oppose. ] (]) 21:22, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Prussians are Lithuanians ==

not germans <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Being of Prussian descent and having knowledge in regards to what is formerly known as "Prussia," you are inaccurate.] (]) 17:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== I am glad they are not White Nationalists any more ==

Listen, I am glad these girls have renounced to their previous racist, hate speech ideologies. No one has the right to discriminate against a different race or skin color. That simply doesn't deserve any discussion. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:41, 24 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

What on earth has your personal preference got to do with a factual article??? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

They would have been great porn stars too.] (]) 09:51, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

== Reference #7 - Holocaust denial Error ==

I just checked the article to see what it states about their alleged Holocaust denial. The reference appears to the second to last paragraph of the article; they don't explicitly deny the Holocaust, and seem to implicitly accept it, but in either case, it is too vague for this article to credibly make a statement either way without being unfair to the girls. I recommend alteration. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== RfC ==

{{bulb}}An RfC: ] has been posted at the ]. Your participation is welcomed. &ndash; ] 17:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

== Removing mention of "ideas." ==

"Despite this, they still made statements skeptical of elements of the Holocaust."

This is speculation and should be removed from the article. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an Encyclopedia-like documentation of things, not a forum to make off-collar statements regarding what this or that individual may have said that raises doubt in the minds of a writer. The entire article is somewhat messed up, to be franc, the girls were so young when their act began it was obviously based on something they'd been raised to believe.

This Misplaced Pages article is like a bulls eye with a big black target on their lives, and instead of documenting a time of their lives that they both feel is no longer relevant, it continues to paint them in this light or another. Even the "legitimate" edits and documentation in regards to this or that is in bad taste. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be "the 💕 that anyone can edit," but it seems like this page (among others) is more used by certain personal interests with their own agendas and there is too much bias. -] (]) 15:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
:People love to judge these young girls and make them societal outcasts for life over their forced upbringing. Doesn't matter now that they have developed enough cognitively to think for themselves and reject their parents views that were forced upon them. They're victim blamers. ] (]) 18:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== 2012 article ==

Found which updates the lives of the twins and how (apparently) marijuana saved them from their racist ways. Maybe someone can find something appropriate to add to the article. ] (]) 03:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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== Requested move 22 January 2019 ==

{{requested move/dated|Prussian Blue (duo)}}


] → {{no redirect|Prussian Blue (duo)}} – Per the edit summary of the , this page was moved due to "{{Tq|unnecessary disambiguation}}". Per the content currently at ], that is no longer true. For one, ] now exists. In addition, external sources name the color ] with a capital "B" ("Prussian '''B'''lue"). Also, the ratio of is about 1:2 average, meaning that there is a good chance that some readers may be looking for the color by searching the term with a capital "B", and then end up arriving at ], the musical duo's article, as a ]. For these reasons, I think after almost a decade, it is time to move this page back to {{No redirect|Prussian Blue (duo)}}; "(duo)" seems to be a disambiguator with precedence for such articles about 2-person musical groups. In addition, I think '''{{No redirect|Prussian Blue}} should be redirected to ]''' since I do not believe there is a strong enough case per ] to have the ambiguous title with a capitalized "B" target the color, but do not oppose retargeting {{No redirect|Prussian Blue}} to ] if consensus swings that way. ] (]) 18:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)<small>--'''''Relisted.'''''&nbsp;–] (]) 16:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)</small> ] → {{no redirect|Prussian Blue (duo)}} – Per the edit summary of the , this page was moved due to "{{Tq|unnecessary disambiguation}}". Per the content currently at ], that is no longer true. For one, ] now exists. In addition, external sources name the color ] with a capital "B" ("Prussian '''B'''lue"). Also, the ratio of is about 1:2 average, meaning that there is a good chance that some readers may be looking for the color by searching the term with a capital "B", and then end up arriving at ], the musical duo's article, as a ]. For these reasons, I think after almost a decade, it is time to move this page back to {{No redirect|Prussian Blue (duo)}}; "(duo)" seems to be a disambiguator with precedence for such articles about 2-person musical groups. In addition, I think '''{{No redirect|Prussian Blue}} should be redirected to ]''' since I do not believe there is a strong enough case per ] to have the ambiguous title with a capitalized "B" target the color, but do not oppose retargeting {{No redirect|Prussian Blue}} to ] if consensus swings that way. ] (]) 18:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)<small>--'''''Relisted.'''''&nbsp;–] (]) 16:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)</small>
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*'''Support'''. The DIFFCAPS argument fails because there's no evidence that the different capitalisation does disambiguate between the duo and the chemical. ] (]) 14:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Support'''. The DIFFCAPS argument fails because there's no evidence that the different capitalisation does disambiguate between the duo and the chemical. ] (]) 14:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom - no primary topic for the capitalized "Prussian Blue". <small>] (])</small> 16:58, 31 January 2019 (UTC) *'''Support''' per nom - no primary topic for the capitalized "Prussian Blue". <small>] (])</small> 16:58, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per {{U|Station1}}. No conflict to disambiguate between ] the duo and ] the color per ] (anyone typing "prussian blue" will go the color and that's very likely what they're seeking; anyone typing "Prussian Blue" will go to the duo and that's very likely what they're seeking), and the duo is clearly the primary topic of '''Primary Blue''' over the relatively obscure album at ] . --] ] 19:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. There's considerable risk of confusion with the far more prominent topic ] and its medical use, ]. The color is routinely capitalized in sources, so it's reasonable to think that some readers will look for it with capitals. If anything, "Prussian Blue" should redirect to "Prussian blue", which has the majority of page views.--] ]/] 15:43, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
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Requested move 22 January 2019

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I’ve requested this to be moved at WP:RM/TR. PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 19:17, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
it’s been moved. PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 00:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved: overall, consensus seems to be in favour of the move, especially due to the evidence of some sources using capitals to refer to the colour. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 17:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)



Prussian BluePrussian Blue (duo) – Per the edit summary of the lone edit currently located at Prussian Blue (duo), this page was moved due to "unnecessary disambiguation". Per the content currently at Prussian blue (disambiguation), that is no longer true. For one, Prussian Blue (album) now exists. In addition, external sources name the color Prussian blue with a capital "B" ("Prussian Blue"). Also, the ratio of pageviews between Prussian Blue versus Prussian blue is about 1:2 average, meaning that there is a good chance that some readers may be looking for the color by searching the term with a capital "B", and then end up arriving at Prussian Blue, the musical duo's article, as a WP:SURPRISE. For these reasons, I think after almost a decade, it is time to move this page back to Prussian Blue (duo); "(duo)" seems to be a disambiguator with precedence for such articles about 2-person musical groups. In addition, I think Prussian Blue should be redirected to Prussian blue (disambiguation) since I do not believe there is a strong enough case per WP:DIFFCAPS to have the ambiguous title with a capitalized "B" target the color, but do not oppose retargeting Prussian Blue to Prussian blue if consensus swings that way. Steel1943 (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose per WP:PRECISE. Prussian Blue (album) gets about 3 hits per day, compared to 374 for Prussian Blue , so that doesn't change anything from the previous RM as far as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The different capitalization means there is no title conflict with Prussian blue. There may be some readers who land here who want the color, but there's a hatnote in place to take care of that minority. There's no need to divert those who want the group's article to somewhere they don't want to be. Station1 (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
    • "...The different capitalization means there is no title conflict with Prussian blue..." That's just untrue since Prussian Blue is neither the title of the color's article, nor a redirect to the article for the color. And how were you able to determine the "...minority..." that look up the capitalized term expecting to find the color? I know I don't have any such tool to do that, and the surprise factor for those looking up the color by a capital "B" arriving at an article about a neo-Nazi band has to be the almost strongest example of a WP:SURPRISE I could ever imagine that cannot be resolved by simply a link in a hatnote. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
      • If there were two articles, each of whose best title would be "Prussian Blue", there would be a title conflict and we would have to disambiguate at least one of those two titles. But if the best title for the color is "Prussian blue", then there is no title conflict and disambiguation can be handled by the less intrusive means of a hatnote. Experiments with hatnotes on other articles have shown that they are used very roughly 2%-6% of the time. If someone is taking the trouble to capitalize the B in the search box, it seems to me more likely that they are looking for the band than the color, since the band always uses a capital B but the color only sometimes. Coupled with the fact that at a glance there appears to be only one out of 2-300 incoming wikilinks that intends the color, it seems to me very likely that most people landing here are where they want to be. If 5 or 10 people a day land here by mistake and are surprised, I don't know why that wouldn't be resolved by the hatnote. Station1 (talk) 23:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
        • One of the reasons that Prussian Blue, the link, is present on so many articles is due to being present on the navigation template {{Neo-Nazism}}, which is transcluded on 183 articles, which is probably why the "only one out of 2-300 incoming wikilinks..." is the way that it is, and actually doesn't illustrate how popular links to Prussian Blue are, but rather is just states that there are at least 183 articles about Neo-Nazism on Misplaced Pages. Steel1943 (talk) 01:44, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
          • Completely true, but my point was that no one is landing on this article because of bad incoming wikilinks. And since virtually no one is landing here by mistake through Google, about the only way someone who really wants the color could land here and be surprised is to type "Prussian Blue" with a capital B in the search box, ignore "Prussian blue" in the dropdown, and enter. Therefore that number must be a small minority (you asked how I determined that). Station1 (talk) 07:04, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
            • @Station1: Another question just struck me: How does WP:PRECISE apply to capitalization differences? I'm a bit of a WP:PRECISE fanatic myself given that I do some WP:BOLD moves from titles with a disambiguator to titles without a disambiguator (or vice versa) from time-to-time. I'd even go to the extreme to say that citing WP:PRECISE to compare differences in capitalization (such as here) is erroneous since WP:PRECISE primarily deals with parenthetical disambiguation in titles (and the related guideline WP:NATURAL also does to some extent.) Claiming primary topics based on capitalization differences in letters seems to be the purpose of WP:DIFFCAPS, not WP:PRECISE. Steel1943 (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
              • PRECISE includes DIFFCAPS and NATURAL, which are subsections of that same section of the policy at WP:AT, which should ideally be considered as a whole. PRECISE goes to the top of the section which says article titles should be precise but no more precise than necessary. But of course the rest of that section (NATURAL, DIFFCAPS and CONCISE) also applies. As you say, PRECISE does deal with parenthetical disambiguation, which is exactly what you're proposing. Under PRECISE (including NATURAL, DIFFCAPS and CONCISE), parenthetical disambiguation is not indicated in this case, imo, because the current title is precise (it's the actual name of the topic), natural (adding a parenthetical qualifier would make the title artificial), has different capitalization than another topic's title (meaning disambiguating the title is not a technical requirement, i.e. there's no title conflict), and is more concise than the proposed change. Station1 (talk) 23:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
          • I don't think the musical duo should even be in that navbox. A musical group is not the same as a political group, even if their music is political. 62.165.227.102 (talk) 09:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I went through all the links and found only three incorrect uses, two meaning Prussian blue and one meaning Prussian Blue (album). I've fixed themn. About thirty articles actually link to the band including: directly, via redirects, list articles, name articles; excluding: disambiguation pages, articles with mentions only in hatnotes or navboxes, the redirects themselves. 62.165.227.102 (talk) 10:36, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment on 23 January I removed the band from "Groups" section of the Neo-Nazism navbox, with the ES "this is a former musical duo with a neo-nazi oeuvre, not an organised political group". That was a good-faith bold edit which has not been reverted, but a side-effect is that there are currently only 14 direct links from main space, which I list in the box below:
Current direct links in main space to "Prussian Blue"
(same editor as 62.125.227.102, different IP) 94.21.204.175 (talk) 08:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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Articles from External links section

I have removed the following list from the External links section, since excessive lists like this are not appropriate there. I've moved them here because some of these articles may be useful for improving the article. Lennart97 (talk) 16:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

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