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Dose the project include wild pigeons, pigeon post, or anything to do with doves? Perhaps the scope should be relevant to both Doves and Pigeons, in which case the taskforce would need a different name. ] (]) 10:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
It may be that this article needs renaming/etc. I have posted the relevant book/journal excerpt on talk, but I am not really familiar with pigeons/etc. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 15:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
::Just my opinions of course.
::*Wild pigeons: no--there are articles for the various species of wild pigeons and this would definitely fall outside of the scope of domesticated pigeons. Domesticated pigeons in this context means birds derived from ''C. livia''.If you're talking about feral pigeons then yes, I would say that that would fall within this scope but I think there's already a GA article covering that topic.
:::*Just because there is already a page, does not necessarily mean that it is not within the scope. I thought that wild pigeons (the nearest species only) might be included, because of the genetic similarities and origins of domesticated pigeons, which did not spring-up out of the blue. ] (]) 12:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::*This is my point Snowmanradio; there is only one ancestral bird for all domesticated pigeons ''C. Livia''. ''C. Livia'' is the nearest species and there's already a GA article on that subject. Certainly there are hundreds of other species of pigeons and doves but domesticated pigeons only refers to birds that all trace back to a common ''C. Livia'' ancestor. Or maybe I'm still misunderstanding you?--] (]) 21:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::*Pigeon post: yes, there would be an article on this I suppose.
:::*Also "Dickin Medal", "War time pigeon post". ] (]) 12:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::*Both excellent suggestions. ] would also seem to fall within this purview as would GI Joe.--] (]) 21:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::*Doves: no--doves are related but different birds. This would be similar to saying a ''Parrot'' task force should include budgies and parakeets because they're related birds. They're all psittacines but they are different birds. I guess I would just see the scope as being sufficiently broad when you just consider domesticated pigeons. There are hundreds of breeds of domesticated pigeons and therefore a need for hundreds of articles just to cover the breeds alone--all that without discussing domesticated doves.
::Excellent observation and excellent question, Snowmanradio.--] (]) 11:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::*Actually, I have been thinking that there should be a "Parrot" task force to include all parrots, big and small, over 300 species. ] (]) 12:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::*Not be flippant but what's stopping you from simply creating such a task force? I mean, create it and if you're the only one interested in it then so be it. But I bet you'd find others that are interested in working on it too. I wanted to help with the ] article but it seems to me that it's mostly in need of citations and I have no reference books for those birds.--] (]) 21:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The topic is too small probably. I have tested the support for WP:Aviculture and there is not quite enough support yet. Back to WP:Pigeons; there are several pigeon pages in ] and ]. I had anticipated that WP:Pigeons would become part of WP:Aviculture, and a number of pigeon editors had expressed an interest in WP:Aviculture. ] (]) 22:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Is there any reason it couldn't be when you create WP:Aviculture? I don't know if there's anything stopping it from moving under that umbrella if we all feel it's appropriate. I have to say ] made a good point to me about the word ''aviculture'' tending to refer to hookbills and cage birds rather than all domesticated birds. Maybe aviculture should have a broader definition but it doesn't seem to right now. And that might be a consideration if an Aviculture WikiProject were to get started. For right now, I think it's better to have a Domesticated Pigeons task force and maybe have it be slightly less than optimal than wait for a perfect Aviculture/Domesticated Pigeons WikiProject hierarchy that may never come to pass. Make a small, imperfect start. --] (]) 23:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


== Project banner == == Writing about breeds ==
After two new-ish editors ended up at ] in the same week for breeds-related disruptive editing (and one topic-ban was issued), I've expanded a bullet-point list of advice for them into an essay: ].


It provides a crash course in how to write about breeds the Misplaced Pages way. It's mostly for new editors, but might be of use to some more experienced ones who have not written about breeds before or thought much about how our ] apply to the topic area. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 07:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Should there be a project banner to put on the talk pages? ] (]) 09:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:We can get by with the <nowiki>{{birdtalk}}</nowiki> template for now. I personally don't think we are big enough to become a separate wikiproject yet? When we eventually become a wikiproject then yes a banner would be good. No need to add articles to a task force category as that is better utilized as a user cat. Existing pigeon cats are suitable for our purposes.--<font color="green" face="Vladimir Script">]</font> ''<small>]</small>'' 10:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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Please see ].

This is a neutral RfC on a question left unanswered by ] (on purpose in 2012–2014, pending "later discussion"). It is now later, and lack of resolution of the question has held up ] in draft proposal state for 6 years. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 22:03, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

== First annual Tree of Life Decemberween contest ==
After all the fun with the ] last month, there's a new contest for the (Northern hemisphere's) Winter holidays at ]. It's not just Christmas, but anything festive from December-ish. Feel free to add some ideas to the ] and enter early and often. --] (]) 18:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

== Merge Domestic Pigeon and Feral Pigeon ==

As i have talked about in their respective pages, i feel like ] has many bits of information that should be in the wild pigeon page (]) as the domesticated birds still share many of their wild behaviors. Furthermore, as feral pigeons are merely escaped/abandoned performers, i suggest splitting the content on the feral page and moving some sections to the rock dove page, and some of it to the domestic pigeon page, and redirecting the feral page to the domestic page. Alternatively, the feral pigeon page should be altered to the ] or ] standards. ] (]) 13:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
:I've copied this comment to ]. In general, it helps to give your rationale all in one place and just tell other editors to go look at the proposal. This way discussion stays together and participants can see the line of reasoning all in one place. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— ]]​</span> 22:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
::I see. So i just provide them a link? ] (]) 03:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

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It may be that this article needs renaming/etc. I have posted the relevant book/journal excerpt on talk, but I am not really familiar with pigeons/etc. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Writing about breeds

After two new-ish editors ended up at WP:ANI in the same week for breeds-related disruptive editing (and one topic-ban was issued), I've expanded a bullet-point list of advice for them into an essay: Misplaced Pages:Writing about breeds.

It provides a crash course in how to write about breeds the Misplaced Pages way. It's mostly for new editors, but might be of use to some more experienced ones who have not written about breeds before or thought much about how our WP:P&G apply to the topic area.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization of names of standardized breeds

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This is a neutral RfC on a question left unanswered by MOS:LIFE (on purpose in 2012–2014, pending "later discussion"). It is now later, and lack of resolution of the question has held up MOS:ORGANISMS in draft proposal state for 6 years.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:03, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

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Merge Domestic Pigeon and Feral Pigeon

As i have talked about in their respective pages, i feel like feral pigeon has many bits of information that should be in the wild pigeon page (rock dove) as the domesticated birds still share many of their wild behaviors. Furthermore, as feral pigeons are merely escaped/abandoned performers, i suggest splitting the content on the feral page and moving some sections to the rock dove page, and some of it to the domestic pigeon page, and redirecting the feral page to the domestic page. Alternatively, the feral pigeon page should be altered to the street dog or street cat standards. Anthropophoca (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I've copied this comment to Talk:Feral pigeon. In general, it helps to give your rationale all in one place and just tell other editors to go look at the proposal. This way discussion stays together and participants can see the line of reasoning all in one place. — Wug·a·po·des​ 22:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I see. So i just provide them a link? Anthropophoca (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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