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== Article grade and improvements ==

Downgraded article to C; it's still not the best. Still lots of poor and unsourced writing that needs to be pruned, and missing lots of info. Doesn't communicate what living in this period was actually like. Going to be significantly rewriting it over the following months. ] (]) 07:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

:And the lead (I wrote) is too long :) Need to cut it down eventually ] (]) 07:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

== Use of this article in birthplaces ==


Whenever someone's Misplaced Pages article mentions they were born in Korea during this period, I've come to favor the practice of linking the phrase {{tq|Korea, Empire of Japan}} to this article. I think this wording is a decent compromise.
== Link to disambiguation page in infobox ==


Alternatives include:
In the first infobox (Template:Infobox country), the word 'government' links to ]. It somehow does this automatically, I've looked at the template syntax but I can't figure out why it does. However, Politics of Korea is a disambiguation page, because the topic can refer to the politics of Joseon Korea, South Korea or North Korea - none of which are applicable here, so it shouldn't link to anything at all. I don't now how to fix this, however! ] (]) 19:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
* "Korea" (non-specific and potentially misleading link)
* "Japanese Korea" (I think confusing to unfamiliar people and doesn't specify "Empire of Japan")
* "Korea under Japanese rule" (I think verbose and lacks specificity of "Empire of Japan")
* "Chōsen" (opaque to people unfamiliar with Japan or Korea)
⚫ ] (]) 01:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


:This is toobigtokale on a new account; I'm actually not so sure of this in hindsight. I need to read more about the legal intricacies of whether the colonization was "illegal". "Korea, Empire of Japan" seems to implicitly accept that the colonization was legal. Complicated... ] (]) 08:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
== Inconsistencies on cause of death of Yi Tjoune in Misplaced Pages ==


== Colony vs part ==
This article cites a source that he commited suicide. However, ] claims that this is a myth, but I don't find any sources for that. The Wiki page on ] claims that his cause of death is unkown, which is maybe a more careful statement, though it is lacking sources as well. So I think it should be good to:
* find and compare (contradictory) sources on Yi Tjoune
* choose a more careful, neutral phrasing
* make it consistent the different Misplaced Pages pages mentioning his death
⚫ --] (]) 12:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


@] tagging to discuss; please keep in mind ] and please add sources for these claims. At the moment your recent edits are ]; I'm not saying your edits are wrong, I'm saying our job is just to report what scholars are saying. ] (]) 17:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
: I just found this problem was already mentioned ] --] (]) 12:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


:Just a note that the editor you tagged was ] and has since been blocked ] (]) 14:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
== Article is Focused on Atrocities, Neglects Beneficial Development ==
⚫ == "]" listed at ] ==
There's no doubt that negative events and atrocities occurred during colonial rule. Nearly every colony during the ] suffered. Many indigenous people did not survive colonialism and became (near)-extinct such as in North / South America, Australia. This article is too focused on that, while omitting or downplaying positive development that occurred during that era. The chapter called "Legacy" focusses almost exclusively on negative events. So it would be more fair to (while keeping objective existing content) also include or expand with information about (please see the Japanese Wiki page for more information ]:
*Improvement of education system and improvement of literacy rate
*Currency, banks
*Korean suffrage
*Traffic development, infrastructure (railroad, automobile, bicycle, ferry, aviation)
*Development of resorts (hot springs, climbing, ski, parks, pools, waterfalls, beaches)
*Culture (expositions: Joseon Industrial Exhibition of 1915, local specialty (food), fashion / makeup changes during colonial rule, Theater, dance, music, art, sports, movies, broadcast, beverages)
*City development: important historical buildings during this era.
*Industrialization projects
*Projects for modernization
This is feedback to help make the article balanced and hopefully others who are more knowledgeable about the subject can improve it. - ] (]) 10:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
:The article you've linked contains only one reference, which is to another JP Misplaced Pages article. I guess I'll look in the stuff in the Further Reading to see if it's got anything to try and balance it out, but I wouldn't be surprised if I end up having a hard time finding any authors who have anything positive to say about the Japanese Empire. ] (]) 10:48, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
::The ] has lots of references which are useful. You could also check wiki pages in other languages about this subject. So your statement that "a hard time finding any authors who have anything positive to say" is false and a biased attitude. - ] (]) 10:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
⚫ == "Chosen, Japan" listed at ] ==
] ]
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect ]. The discussion will occur at ] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> ''']&nbsp;]''' 09:38, 26 September 2021 (UTC) The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 9#Occupied Korea}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> — ] (]) 02:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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Article grade and improvements

Downgraded article to C; it's still not the best. Still lots of poor and unsourced writing that needs to be pruned, and missing lots of info. Doesn't communicate what living in this period was actually like. Going to be significantly rewriting it over the following months. toobigtokale (talk) 07:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

And the lead (I wrote) is too long :) Need to cut it down eventually toobigtokale (talk) 07:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Use of this article in birthplaces

Whenever someone's Misplaced Pages article mentions they were born in Korea during this period, I've come to favor the practice of linking the phrase Korea, Empire of Japan to this article. I think this wording is a decent compromise.

Alternatives include:

  • "Korea" (non-specific and potentially misleading link)
  • "Japanese Korea" (I think confusing to unfamiliar people and doesn't specify "Empire of Japan")
  • "Korea under Japanese rule" (I think verbose and lacks specificity of "Empire of Japan")
  • "Chōsen" (opaque to people unfamiliar with Japan or Korea)

toobigtokale (talk) 01:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

This is toobigtokale on a new account; I'm actually not so sure of this in hindsight. I need to read more about the legal intricacies of whether the colonization was "illegal". "Korea, Empire of Japan" seems to implicitly accept that the colonization was legal. Complicated... seefooddiet (talk) 08:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Colony vs part

@Malan Fun tagging to discuss; please keep in mind WP:3RR and please add sources for these claims. At the moment your recent edits are WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH; I'm not saying your edits are wrong, I'm saying our job is just to report what scholars are saying. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that the editor you tagged was identified as a sockpuppet and has since been blocked Dantus21 (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

"Occupied Korea" listed at Redirects for discussion

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