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| There's no doubt that negative events and atrocities occurred during colonial rule. Nearly every colony during the ] suffered. Many indigenous people did not survive colonialism and became (near)-extinct such as in North / South America, Australia. This article is too focused on that, while omitting or downplaying positive development that occurred during that era. The chapter called "Legacy" focusses almost exclusively on negative events. So it would be more fair to (while keeping objective existing content) also include or expand with information about (please see the Japanese Wiki page for more information ]: | |||
| *Improvement of education system and improvement of literacy rate | |||
| *Currency, banks | |||
| *Korean suffrage | |||
| *Traffic development, infrastructure (railroad, automobile, bicycle, ferry, aviation) | |||
| *Development of resorts (hot springs, climbing, ski, parks, pools, waterfalls, beaches) | |||
| *Culture (expositions: Joseon Industrial Exhibition of 1915, local specialty (food), fashion / makeup changes during colonial rule, Theater, dance, music, art, sports, movies, broadcast, beverages) | |||
| *City development: important historical buildings during this era. | |||
| *Industrialization projects | |||
| *Projects for modernization | |||
| This is feedback to help make the article balanced and hopefully others who are more knowledgeable about the subject can improve it. - ] (]) 10:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :This is an argument I've seen before in other media, and it's very much in line with ''uyoku dantai'' talking points, which like to either gloss over or completely ignore factual reality or the overwhelmingly negative character of Japanese occupation (it should be noted that nearly all of the developments noted in your points were developed to benefit Japanese colonial rule and imperial military-industrial development at the expense of Korea; few, if any, were instituted for the benefit of Korea or Koreans). Importantly, the line that "nearly every colony suffered...many indigenous people did not survive" neglects the fact that many such peoples did not have a history of centralized statehood or organized civilization comparable to that of Korea. '''However, the truly fatal flaw in this argument is that it fails to account for the fact that within 5 years of Japanese withdrawal from the Korean Peninsula, Korea was embroiled in the 3-year Korean War, which resulted in a near-total destruction of infrastructure, non-residential buildings, industry, and so on - much of which was from Japanese occupation-era development - which had to be replaced from the ground up. Thus most Japanese imperial-era contributions to Korean development were effectively wiped out during the Korean War and replaced with Korean equivalents, mostly underwritten by the United States.''' If any tangible Japanese contribution should be considered with regards to Korean development in the modern era, it should be the substantial (something like 800 million USD at the time, corresponding to roughly 7.6 billion USD today) financial contribution from Japan given as part of the 1965 normalization treaty with South Korea (which of course did not benefit North Korea). In addition, post-WWII Japan's development also benefited South Korea by providing an example for design and development and being a source of industrial know-how in many circumstances (e.g. certain aspects of automobile manufacture). '''But note that these things come from post-WWII Japan, not Imperial Japan.'''] (]) 12:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Downgraded article to C; it's still not the best. Still lots of poor and unsourced writing that needs to be pruned, and missing lots of info. Doesn't communicate what living in this period was actually like. Going to be significantly rewriting it over the following months. ] (]) 07:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The ] has lots of references which are useful. You could also check wiki pages in other languages about this subject. So your statement that "a hard time finding any authors who have anything positive to say" is false and a biased attitude. - ] (]) 10:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::I think the context meant was positive as far as the Japanese Empire's occupation of Korea; some of the points you have made assume Korea would not have accomplished these things without Japanese help/prodding, which is sheer speculation. It will be difficult to find objective historians who will be able to come forward with much in the way of positive accomplishments when balanced with so much absolute misery perpetrated upon the Korean people. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :::"I kidnapped your child and did horrific things to them, but I also bought them a car so that makes it more acceptable" | |||
| :::I agree that any information about development during the colonial period should be included, but not because of some false sense of balance, but because we should include true and notable things. Actively seeking out "balance" when horrific things happened signals ulterior non-neutral POV motives. | |||
| :::Also you writing this is bewildering: {{tq|Nearly every colony during the ] suffered. Many indigenous people did not survive colonialism and became (near)-extinct such as in North / South America, Australia.}} This is the lowest tier of ]. You're saying Korea is supposed to be grateful it wasn't wiped out? These types of arguments signal explicit non-neutral POV. You're actively ''trying'' to paint this situation brighter by trying to justify the horrific things that happened. Completely unacceptable. ] (]) 09:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | :And the lead (I wrote) is too long :) Need to cut it down eventually ] (]) 07:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
| == Does the entire article need an “unreliable sources” template? == | |||
| == Use of this article in birthplaces == | |||
| I found a recent edit by ] drastic enough to warrant input from other editors. They want to add a template warning readers that the entire article’s sources are unreliable. Because of the highly fraught politics involved with this article’s subject, I have no doubt that individual sources may be questionable and partisan, but not ''everything''. If other editors want to go ahead and approve using such a template, I have no problem with it, but it would be preferable to get consensus on it first. —] (]) 02:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Whenever someone's Misplaced Pages article mentions they were born in Korea during this period, I've come to favor the practice of linking the phrase {{tq|Korea, Empire of Japan}} to this article. I think this wording is a decent compromise. | |||
| == NPOV == | |||
| Alternatives include: | |||
| Please make sure to write in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. The facts are already horrific enough; extra emotion just makes the atrocities seem exaggerated and gives fuel to denialists. ] (]) 04:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
| * "Korea" (non-specific and potentially misleading link) | |||
| * "Japanese Korea" (I think confusing to unfamiliar people and doesn't specify "Empire of Japan") | |||
| * "Korea under Japanese rule" (I think verbose and lacks specificity of "Empire of Japan") | |||
| * "Chōsen" (opaque to people unfamiliar with Japan or Korea) | |||
| ] (]) 01:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :This is toobigtokale on a new account; I'm actually not so sure of this in hindsight. I need to read more about the legal intricacies of whether the colonization was "illegal". "Korea, Empire of Japan" seems to implicitly accept that the colonization was legal. Complicated... ] (]) 08:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == 1905 or 1910 for start date? == | |||
| == Colony vs part == | |||
| A few weeks ago, @] set the start date of the period to 1905. I'm unsure of this, so wanted to double check. | |||
| @] tagging to discuss; please keep in mind ] and please add sources for these claims. At the moment your recent edits are ]; I'm not saying your edits are wrong, I'm saying our job is just to report what scholars are saying. ] (]) 17:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| For the infobox, the params are: | |||
| | status = Part of the ] | |||
| | year_start = 1905 | |||
| :Just a note that the editor you tagged was ] and has since been blocked ] (]) 14:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| In the lead, it states Korea was a ] in 1905. From that article: {{tq|It is a dependent territory that enjoys autonomy over most of its internal affairs, while still recognizing the suzerainty of a more powerful sovereign state without being a possession}}. This suggests to me that we shouldn't use 1905 as the start date. However, it may be that language is being imprecisely used; I don't really know the details of the 1905 treaty, maybe it was really part of the Empire. ] (]) 21:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == "]" listed at ] == | |||
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| ::Your revert was the correct move. <big>]]</big> 08:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Article grade and improvements == | |||
| Downgraded article to C; it's still not the best. Still lots of poor and unsourced writing that needs to be pruned, and missing lots of info. Doesn't communicate what living in this period was actually like. Going to be significantly rewriting it over the following months. ] (]) 07:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Article grade and improvements
Downgraded article to C; it's still not the best. Still lots of poor and unsourced writing that needs to be pruned, and missing lots of info. Doesn't communicate what living in this period was actually like. Going to be significantly rewriting it over the following months. toobigtokale (talk) 07:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- And the lead (I wrote) is too long :) Need to cut it down eventually toobigtokale (talk) 07:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Use of this article in birthplaces
Whenever someone's Misplaced Pages article mentions they were born in Korea during this period, I've come to favor the practice of linking the phrase Korea, Empire of Japan
to this article. I think this wording is a decent compromise.
Alternatives include:
- "Korea" (non-specific and potentially misleading link)
- "Japanese Korea" (I think confusing to unfamiliar people and doesn't specify "Empire of Japan")
- "Korea under Japanese rule" (I think verbose and lacks specificity of "Empire of Japan")
- "Chōsen" (opaque to people unfamiliar with Japan or Korea)
toobigtokale (talk) 01:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- This is toobigtokale on a new account; I'm actually not so sure of this in hindsight. I need to read more about the legal intricacies of whether the colonization was "illegal". "Korea, Empire of Japan" seems to implicitly accept that the colonization was legal. Complicated... seefooddiet (talk) 08:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Colony vs part
@Malan Fun tagging to discuss; please keep in mind WP:3RR and please add sources for these claims. At the moment your recent edits are WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH; I'm not saying your edits are wrong, I'm saying our job is just to report what scholars are saying. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just a note that the editor you tagged was identified as a sockpuppet and has since been blocked Dantus21 (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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The redirect Occupied Korea has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 9 § Occupied Korea until a consensus is reached. — Goszei (talk) 02:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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