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== Bosnian war section ==

The second para starts with "The Bosniak leadership initially showed willingness to remain in a rump Yugoslavia, (...)", this is just half true. In reality it was one of two currents within the SDA party, the one led by two prominent party leaders Muhamed Filipović and that other guy dissident from Switzerland, whose name I can't remember, which opted to negotiate with Milosevic and seek some way to stay within YUG. Filipovic and this other guy were in fact on the meeting with Milosevic in Belgrade, and this matter practically caused the party to break into two factions and at the first elections they were already completely separated into SDA and some other party, which was completely ignored by Bosniak electorate. Characters like Izetbegovic, Silajdzic, Ganic, Cengic, etc never even contemplated such variant, and they were key Bosniak leaders. Kristo exploiting rather simplistic view on this episode in history. ]] 20:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


== Lead section == == Antisemitism section needed ==


Clearly, Franjo Tudjman left behind not only highly antisemitic academic work, as already described in the article, but is on the record of making antisemitic remarks in public as well.
Why does the lead section contain a ICTY verdict, as if that is the thing he will be remebered in history?
Furthermore, it is written in some kind of broken English.
Why does it not instead emphasise the importance of this individual in Croatia's independence, and in leading his nation through war?


Such as his 1990 election speech where he makes antisemitic remarks about supposed rumors that he is of Jewish, or that his wife is either of Jewish or Serbian descent - namely that "had that been true he'd be rich and not a communist" and his happiness regarding "his wife not being either (Jew or Serb)".
== WAR CRIME TRIBUNAL FINDINGS ==


The speech is easy to find on YouTube, has been since at least 2020, and it should be added, along with other instances of Tudjman's antisemitism into a new, separate, section. Clearly, from the rambling character of the speech it is obvious that such antisemitic ideas were integral to his personal way of thinking and not just a part of some political speech, perhaps prepared by someone else.
The section regarding the Bosnian-Croat war with the appropriate war crime allegations and recent development that confirm Tudman's role in genocide and ethnic cleansing needs to be part of this article.


] (]) 16:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
im not a editor. someone please update.
http://www.reuters.tv/v/AJ2/2017/11/29/bosnia-war-criminal-swigs-poison-in-court <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: See page 727 of the verdict, the Appeals Chamber noted that "...none of the crimes committed in furtherance of the CCP were attributed to the JCE through Tudman, Susak, Bobetko, Boban, or the unnamed members of the JCE...", similar to their announcement from July 2016. What they did find (see page 10 of the summary) is that the ''ultimate purpose'' of the JCE, which was "setting up a Croatian entity that reconstituted earlier borders and that facilitated the reunification of the Croatian people", was ''shared'' by Tuđman. In my opinion, that should be under the ICTY section, but not in the lead as he was not found guilty of any war crime. ] (]) 23:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


Regardless, you can't be posthumously convicted or absolved of war crimes. His death is what "saved" him, just like Milosevic. ] (]) 02:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC) :The article already describes this at length, if you have a specific suggestion to make please do, otherwise this sounds like a bit of ]. --] (]) 11:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
:Incorrect. It all depends on the body that is making the decision. see Martin Bormann, for ex. ] (]) 02:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Bosnian war section

The second para starts with "The Bosniak leadership initially showed willingness to remain in a rump Yugoslavia, (...)", this is just half true. In reality it was one of two currents within the SDA party, the one led by two prominent party leaders Muhamed Filipović and that other guy dissident from Switzerland, whose name I can't remember, which opted to negotiate with Milosevic and seek some way to stay within YUG. Filipovic and this other guy were in fact on the meeting with Milosevic in Belgrade, and this matter practically caused the party to break into two factions and at the first elections they were already completely separated into SDA and some other party, which was completely ignored by Bosniak electorate. Characters like Izetbegovic, Silajdzic, Ganic, Cengic, etc never even contemplated such variant, and they were key Bosniak leaders. Kristo exploiting rather simplistic view on this episode in history. ౪ Santa ౪ 20:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Antisemitism section needed

Clearly, Franjo Tudjman left behind not only highly antisemitic academic work, as already described in the article, but is on the record of making antisemitic remarks in public as well.

Such as his 1990 election speech where he makes antisemitic remarks about supposed rumors that he is of Jewish, or that his wife is either of Jewish or Serbian descent - namely that "had that been true he'd be rich and not a communist" and his happiness regarding "his wife not being either (Jew or Serb)".

The speech is easy to find on YouTube, has been since at least 2020, and it should be added, along with other instances of Tudjman's antisemitism into a new, separate, section. Clearly, from the rambling character of the speech it is obvious that such antisemitic ideas were integral to his personal way of thinking and not just a part of some political speech, perhaps prepared by someone else.

109.175.104.3 (talk) 16:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The article already describes this at length, if you have a specific suggestion to make please do, otherwise this sounds like a bit of WP:SOAPBOX. --Joy (talk) 11:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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