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== Bosnian war section == |
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The second para starts with "The Bosniak leadership initially showed willingness to remain in a rump Yugoslavia, (...)", this is just half true. In reality it was one of two currents within the SDA party, the one led by two prominent party leaders Muhamed Filipović and that other guy dissident from Switzerland, whose name I can't remember, which opted to negotiate with Milosevic and seek some way to stay within YUG. Filipovic and this other guy were in fact on the meeting with Milosevic in Belgrade, and this matter practically caused the party to break into two factions and at the first elections they were already completely separated into SDA and some other party, which was completely ignored by Bosniak electorate. Characters like Izetbegovic, Silajdzic, Ganic, Cengic, etc never even contemplated such variant, and they were key Bosniak leaders. Kristo exploiting rather simplistic view on this episode in history. ]] 20:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Antisemitism section needed == |
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Clearly, Franjo Tudjman left behind not only highly antisemitic academic work, as already described in the article, but is on the record of making antisemitic remarks in public as well. |
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Such as his 1990 election speech where he makes antisemitic remarks about supposed rumors that he is of Jewish, or that his wife is either of Jewish or Serbian descent - namely that "had that been true he'd be rich and not a communist" and his happiness regarding "his wife not being either (Jew or Serb)". |
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Why does the lead section contain a ICTY verdict, as if that is the thing he will be remebered in history? |
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Furthermore, it is written in some kind of broken English. |
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Why does it not instead emphasise the importance of this individual in Croatia's independence, and in leading his nation through war? |
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The speech is easy to find on YouTube, has been since at least 2020, and it should be added, along with other instances of Tudjman's antisemitism into a new, separate, section. Clearly, from the rambling character of the speech it is obvious that such antisemitic ideas were integral to his personal way of thinking and not just a part of some political speech, perhaps prepared by someone else. |
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Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 01:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== Jasenovac casualties in Horrors of War == |
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:The article already describes this at length, if you have a specific suggestion to make please do, otherwise this sounds like a bit of ]. --] (]) 11:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC) |
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The article states that in his 1989 book ''Horrors of War'', Tudjman estimated that the total number of victims in Jasenovac was somewhere "between 30,000 and 60,000". This is attributed to James J. Sadkovich's 2010 article in . Most reliable sources however state that he gave an estimate of between '''30,000 and 40,000'''.<ref>{{cite web |last1=Milekic |first1=Sven |title=Franjo Tudjman: Strongman Obsessed with Forging Croatia’s Independence |url=https://balkaninsight.com/2019/12/10/franjo-tudjman-strongman-obsessed-with-forging-croatias-independence/ |website=Balkan Insight |publisher=BIRN |date=10 December 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1=Baker |first1=Catherine |title=The Yugoslav Wars of the 1990s |date=2015 |publisher=Macmillan International Higher Education |isbn=978-1-13739-899-4 |page=42 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=yuvLDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA42}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1=Trbovich |first1=Ana S. |title=A Legal Geography of Yugoslavia's Disintegration |date=2008 |publisher=Oxford University Press |isbn=978-0-19533-343-5 |page=191 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Ojur7dVoxIcC&pg=PA191}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1=Sindbaek |first1=Tia |title=Usable History?: Representations of Yugoslavia's Difficult Past from 1945 to 2002 |date=2012 |publisher=ISD LLC |isbn=978-8-77124-107-5 |pages=178-179 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BLhYDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA178}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1=Leighton |first1=Dan |title=Visions of Awakening Space and Time : Dogen and the Lotus Sutra: Dogen and the Lotus Sutra |date=2007 |publisher=Oxford University Press |isbn=978-0-19804-329-4 |page=207 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fWggQTqioXcC&pg=PA207}}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1=Macdonald |first1=David Bruce |title=Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered Propaganda and the War in Yugoslavia |date=2002 |publisher=Manchester University Press |isbn=978-0-71906-467-8 |page=167 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt155jbrm.11?seq=8#metadata_info_tab_contents}}</ref> Macdonald even says that he arrived at a total of 50,000 victims for all Ustashe camps in the NDH. His high-end estimate for Jasenovac alone cannot be 60,000 then. It also isn't clear whether Sadkovich is alluding specifically to the 1989 book, as he says in the relevant passage that "in 1981 Tudjman was working from the 1964 census." Regarding Sadkovich's credibility, that was posted by another user on the talk page a while back. --] (]) 17:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC) |
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The second para starts with "The Bosniak leadership initially showed willingness to remain in a rump Yugoslavia, (...)", this is just half true. In reality it was one of two currents within the SDA party, the one led by two prominent party leaders Muhamed Filipović and that other guy dissident from Switzerland, whose name I can't remember, which opted to negotiate with Milosevic and seek some way to stay within YUG. Filipovic and this other guy were in fact on the meeting with Milosevic in Belgrade, and this matter practically caused the party to break into two factions and at the first elections they were already completely separated into SDA and some other party, which was completely ignored by Bosniak electorate. Characters like Izetbegovic, Silajdzic, Ganic, Cengic, etc never even contemplated such variant, and they were key Bosniak leaders. Kristo exploiting rather simplistic view on this episode in history. ౪ Santa ౪ 20:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Clearly, Franjo Tudjman left behind not only highly antisemitic academic work, as already described in the article, but is on the record of making antisemitic remarks in public as well.
The speech is easy to find on YouTube, has been since at least 2020, and it should be added, along with other instances of Tudjman's antisemitism into a new, separate, section. Clearly, from the rambling character of the speech it is obvious that such antisemitic ideas were integral to his personal way of thinking and not just a part of some political speech, perhaps prepared by someone else.
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