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== GND as an international idea == |
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] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-08-26">26 August 2021</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-12-24">24 December 2021</span>. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ]. |
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Should this article have a less US-centric focus? The beginning sentence states: "The Green New Deal (GND) is a proposed package of United States legislation that aims to address climate change and economic inequality.". The Green New Deal was a concept that predated the legislation, created by a British Green New Deal group, and apparently the policy promoted by the ] since 2011. The article also has a substantial focus on the US GND in it's content page; I propose the US GND be split off into a dedicated "Green New Deal in the United States" page. ] (]) 07:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:I think that is probably a good idea, I would support that {{ping|Catiline52}}] (]) 01:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::The Green New Deal has a clear provenance. Its origins, both as a political term and as a body of political thought, traces to 2007-08. The principal individuals who were originally involved can be reviewed at this site -- <ref>https://www.greenpolicy360.net/w/Green_New_Deal</ref>. I personally, as a US Green activist, recall many conversations during the global recession of 2008 where Greens discussed the response politics put forward by the UK "Green New Deal Group". The Green New Deal had multiple originators in multiple countries after 2008. It would not be appropriate, in tracing the origins/provenance and development of the Green New Deal to 'split off' a dedicated 'Green New Deal in the United States' page. Better would be to follow the chronology, and give weight to the origins and follow on of multiple countries, perhaps alphabetically, since there are many countries who have versions of the original UK Green New Deal Group's formal proposal (see their PDF <ref>https://greennewdealgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Green-New-Deal-5th-Anniversary.pdf</ref>)... ] (]) 00:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Catiline52}} '''Weak support''' I'm ok with this, but the international section is very lacking. Re-writing the lead may be better? ping me when responding, gràcies! ] ] 18:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC) |
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I would second this - introduction section for sure needs to be moderated as it is strongly US centric. - I can contribute to the Canadian and EU sections though think that is not possible right now because the page is listed as an ECP page (rightfully so). :{{ping|Catiline52}} :{{ping|TheKaloo}} :{{ping|Sadads}} :{{ping|Greenalot}} (] (]) 17:35, 20 September 2020 (UTC)) |
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:I'm removing the banner tag for this as it's six months old and there has been no discussion since September. FWIW though I '''support''' the Split providing someone has time to do the work to action it while making both articles coherent. This makes it 4:1 in favour. So unless more opposition arrives, if anyone does have the time to perform it, they could go ahead without further discussion. In the mean time, I'll update & make a minor internationalising edit to the lede to partially address the concern here. ] (]) 12:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Small typo correction == |
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Sorry if this the wrong place for suggestion, but "European Union" in the second sentence of the second paragraph of the main article is currently in lowercase (I don't have edit privileges). |
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:] '''Done''' , thanks for pointing that out. ] (]) 18:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC) |
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{{small|Above undated message substituted from ] by ] (]) 21:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)}} |
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== Section organization of AOC plan and Biden plan and miscellaneous minor corrections == |
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(1) Should the sections about the AOC plan and the Biden plan relating to the Green New Deal not be subsections of the United States section instead of subsections of the By country or region section? Given that the AOC plan has such extensive currently sub-subsection coverage in this article that would not be covered in the index if the current AOC plan subsection was a sub-subsection of the currently placed United States subsection, should each country just be its own section (Australia as section 3, Canada as section 4, the EU as section 5, etc) and not a subsection of the By country or region section so that the United States section could contain the AOC plan as a subsection and all of the AOC plan’s current sub-subsections as instead sub-subsections of the United States section within the AOC plan subsection? For clarity, this is my proposed organization of this article’s sections: |
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] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-06-28">28 June 2021</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-07-31">31 July 2021</span>. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ], ]. |
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{{small|Above undated message substituted from ] by ] (]) 22:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)}} |
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== Michelle Wu == |
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1.1 Proposals to include the Green New Deal in recovery program from COVID-19 |
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2 Environmental justice |
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3 Australia |
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4 Canada |
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5 European Union |
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6 South Korea |
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7 United Kingdom |
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8 United States |
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8.1 Early efforts |
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8.2 The Rep. Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Markey Green New Deal |
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8.2.1 Background |
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8.2.2 Green New Deal Resolution |
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8.2.3 House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis |
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8.2.4 January 2019 letter to Congress from environmental groups |
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8.2.5 Criticism |
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8.2.6 Supporters |
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8.2.7 Detractors |
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8.2.8 Legislative outcome |
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8.2.9 2020 Presidential Campaign |
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8.3 The Biden climate plan |
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9 See also |
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10 References |
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11 External links |
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11.1 Projects referred to as "Green New Deal" |
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11.2 Green New Deal proposal in 116th Congress |
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If ] is elected mayor of Boston in November, she can be added as a supporter of the AOC-Markey Green New Deal. https://www.boston.com/news/policy/2020/08/24/michelle-wu-green-new-deal-boston/ ] (]) 00:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC) |
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This organization of sections would match the precedent of section followed by articles such as ] where the discussion of how the topic is applied over a geographic region is given its own section instead of being a subsection of a theoretical section called By state such as how this article creates a section called By country or region. This reorganization would place the AOC plan and the Biden plan relating to the Green New Deal under the United States section where they should go instead of the current section organization that seems to imply that the AOC plan and the Biden plan are countries or regions. |
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* DONE! ] (]) 05:11, 31 December 2021 (UTC) |
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(2) In section 3.7.8 of the current article (section 8.2.9 in my proposal of the section organization), the title is currently misspelled as "Legistrative outcome". It should say "Legislative outcome". |
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I am a little concerned about the reversions you did to an edit by me about the University of Florida Green New Deal and to another contributors' part about a GND at American University. They were removed under the justification they were too local, which I agree in terms of Misplaced Pages's structuring rules, but in that case couldn't a new section be created for university and local efforts? Additionally, the Boston GND (which has its own separate article) was left on the Green New Deal article but is also local. I do not personally agree with the removal of either the AU one or UF one if it remains notable enough to not be removed. In the case of the UF one, it had coverage by the Guardian US and the Hill, both well-recognized sources. I respect your contributions to the Misplaced Pages community but as a younger Wikipedian, more explanations or details on how I could write about what happened at AU and UF would be appreciated. ] (]) 13:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC) |
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(3) There is an unnecessary extra line break between the Biden plan section and the See also section that should be deleted. I would do all of these things if I could edit this article. |
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::this article deals with the whole world. What we have here are two small, new local efforts. U of Florida took no action--it was only a resolution passed by its student government. Worldwide there are hundreds of such events and that would overwhelm the already too long article. I suggest you start a new separate article on Green efforts on college campuses. As for Boston, a link to a long article for a major city (which has lots of colleges and universities) is ok but I think a separate section for Boston duplicates the listing under mayors, so I deleted the separate section. ] (]) 00:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Done'''. Thanks so much for taking the time to clearly specify those excellent improvements. ] (]) 09:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::this is reasonable, thank you ] (]) 04:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
I am a little concerned about the reversions you did to an edit by me about the University of Florida Green New Deal and to another contributors' part about a GND at American University. They were removed under the justification they were too local, which I agree in terms of Misplaced Pages's structuring rules, but in that case couldn't a new section be created for university and local efforts? Additionally, the Boston GND (which has its own separate article) was left on the Green New Deal article but is also local. I do not personally agree with the removal of either the AU one or UF one if it remains notable enough to not be removed. In the case of the UF one, it had coverage by the Guardian US and the Hill, both well-recognized sources. I respect your contributions to the Misplaced Pages community but as a younger Wikipedian, more explanations or details on how I could write about what happened at AU and UF would be appreciated. RALupien (talk) 13:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 August 2021 and 24 December 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Eaw259.