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==New Article== |
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== Taiwan == |
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This is the new sovereign state article. Please don't move it without discussing it first. — ] 14:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC) |
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: Im getting lost here, we have articles everywhere right now. Ive just found that the ] is different to ] so its missing certain options. Does ] need to become a redirect to ]??? |
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Why is this island nation not discussed here? It is baffling why this obviously germane and salient focus is missing from Misplaced Pages's discussion of "Sovereign State". I cannot perceive a rationale explanation for this blatantly obvious oversight, and unfortunately I am left to conclude that the PRC in some significant way has influence over Misplaced Pages's content. ] (]) 19:18, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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: Also i see there is ALREADY an article on ], i didnt notice that existed before and we still have ] which i dont understand how is really any different to some of the other "states" we have. ] seems to cover the sorts of things ] now covers. |
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: Im glad there is an article on sovereign states still and all the tags have been removed, but the setup still seems a complete mess. far too many articles, thank god we dont have to pay per page. ] (]) 18:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC) |
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:Taiwan is discussed in the ], which is linked in the article. This is a general article where the concept of a sovereign state discussed. ] (]) 19:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::] should redirect to ] as long as that is a disambiguation page. I think it ought to be; there are at least three different meanings of ''state'' as "government", and a half-dozen mathematical/chemical/statistical senses. None of them is primary. ] <small>]</small> 01:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC) |
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== See Also == |
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] deals with private international law; this article ''should'' deal with public international law; ] covers domestic law. ] <small>]</small> 02:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC) |
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I added a Misplaced Pages article related to Sovereign States called Non-interventionism. This is a relevant topic because to be a sovereign states means to respect borders and the principle of non-intervention is the formal expression of that requirement of sovereignty. ] (]) 00:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Pretty much, although I say ] deals with the state in sociology and political science, and its development as understood in these disciplines. This article deals with the state in public international law ''and'' international relations. The rules on state recognition belongs here and clearly no where else. — ] 15:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC) |
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== Merge == |
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I propose that this article, which is much more encycolpedic than ], be merged with that one, and be made to follow more the outline of this article. ] (]) 20:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:I'm not sure this is the best approach. I don't think there's any harm in having separate articles on the sovereign state and sovereignty. If the latter is such a bad article we could just delete all the crap bits. If that means reducing it to a stub, so what? — ] 16:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== Dated and doctrinaire material == |
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The Misplaced Pages articles on states read like something out of the colonial era. This article needs an additional section to explain the fact that many countries dropped the declarative and constitutive debate half a century ago, and no longer practice "recognition". The US was a latecomer but it started saying that the question of recognition does not arise back in the early 1980s. ] (]) 14:18, 14 April 2010 (UTC) |
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== Merge == |
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There's an article called ]. Isn't a state by definition itself sovereign? If that is so, to call a state 'sovereign' is redundant. Plus the fact that the article talks about virtually the same thing as this article, I'm starting to think that these 2 articles are talking about the same thing essentially and that one should be merged into the other. A couple months ago, I brought the issue and discussed it on the other article, but the lad just stopped replying. I hope the same will not happen here, and we can finally come to a final resolution. ] (]) 20:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC) |
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According to the first five articles of the UN's "Draft Declaration on Rights and Duties of States" ; The Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations ; and the Inter-American system of International law states are juridically equal. For example: |
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*Article 4 of the Montevideo Convention said "States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one does not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law." |
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*Article 10 of the OAS Charter said: States are juridically equal, enjoy equal rights and equal capacity to exercise these rights, and have equal duties. The rights of each State depend not upon its power to ensure the exercise thereof, but upon the mere fact of its existence as a person under international law. |
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] (]) 22:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC) |
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I disagree with a merge. This article is specific to international law and the state within that context. ] (]) 04:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC) |
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:If the definition is specific to international that should be in lead and text to make it clear there is a difference. Otherwise merge would seem best move. ] (]) 15:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::Merging these articles will create more confusion than it will solve. It is quite common for international treaties to refer to sovereign states as "States", but they're not talking about Ohio, hence why we use the adverb. Part of the reason this article was created was that lots of editors were writing <nowiki>] ]s</nowiki> in articles as they realise the English word "state" can apply to both Ohio and France, but wanted to just about about states like France. — ] <sup>]</sup> 10:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with Blue. ] (]) 13:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC) |
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== national capital == |
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Edinburgh is the capital city of the Scottish nation but it is not a sovereign state's capital so the statement in the article "...the adjectives national and international also refer to matters pertaining to what are strictly sovereign states, as in national capital,..." is not correct. -- ] (]) 21:33, 23 June 2010 (UTC) |
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: Agreed this is a problem and needs changing. ] (]) 00:22, 26 June 2010 (UTC) |
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Why is this island nation not discussed here? It is baffling why this obviously germane and salient focus is missing from Misplaced Pages's discussion of "Sovereign State". I cannot perceive a rationale explanation for this blatantly obvious oversight, and unfortunately I am left to conclude that the PRC in some significant way has influence over Misplaced Pages's content. 2601:14B:4082:5260:E119:83E7:BF1A:92A9 (talk) 19:18, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
I added a Misplaced Pages article related to Sovereign States called Non-interventionism. This is a relevant topic because to be a sovereign states means to respect borders and the principle of non-intervention is the formal expression of that requirement of sovereignty. TwohandleS11I (talk) 00:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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