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== Delphi == |
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==Characterization of Arendt and Popper as continental== |
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The article currently refers to "Continental philosophers Hannah Arendt, Leo Strauss and Karl Popper". Are Arendt and Popper usually considered part of the continental tradition? I'm not at all an expert, but I didn't think they were. Even if I'm wrong, perhaps this is a strange thing to emphasize? |
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] (]) 16:33, 2 May 2022 (UTC) |
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== Socrates believed that the ballot box was a stupid way to elect representatives == |
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Socrates believed that the ballot box was a stupid way to elect representatives. Xenophon explains: |
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"Socrates cause his associates to despise the established laws when he dwelt on the folly of appointing state officers by ballot: a principle which, he said, no one would care to apply in selecting a pilot or a flute-player or in any similar case, where a mistake would be far less disastrous than in matters political. Words like these, according to the accuser, tended to incite the young to contemn the established constitution, rendering them violent and headstrong." |
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] (]) 16:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC) |
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The article states he never left Athens although the general historical consensus is he visited Delphi at least once ] (]) 17:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC) |
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: You have confused ballot with ballot box ] (]) 19:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::I don't know what the purpose of the OP was in posting the above here. If there was a ballot, then there may have been a ballot box also. Or not. Whatever the case, it is clear from the passage (wherever it is take from) that Socrates was referring to the ballot itself, whether that was a box for that or not. So, does that mean that Socrates was implying that democracy is not a good system? Just curious. Thank you, ] ] 22:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Maybe not the historical consensus but that’s what I was taught in school and what I’ve read regarding Socrates ] (]) 16:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC) |
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In any case, that link doesnt link to a RS, so...]] 09:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::As well as military campaigns..as far as I know the statement is inaccurate ] (]) 22:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== "They demonstrate the Socratic approach to areas of philosophy including rationalism and ethics. " == |
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:You're absolutely right! In The Apology, Plato writes that Socrates visited the Oracle at Delphi - which is certainly NOT Athens. I concur that the article, at a minimum, should states this, or remove the line altogether that says he never left Athens. ] (]) 06:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Good catch. After double checking the source that was quoted, I've removed the line that states Socrates "never traveled outside of Athens, except for his military campaigns" for the following reasons: |
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:1) According to Plato. Socrates did at least travel to Delphi (which is outside of Athens). |
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:2) The source that was cited doesn't even say that as a fact anyway. The citation was Page 10 of the book "Socrates: A guide for the perplexed", and for good measure I read pages 8-12. The source is an opinion piece, which paraphrases Section 230D of Plato's Phaedrus, saying that a young man named Phaedrus *accused* Socrates of never having left the city walls. Obviously, a mere accusation of someone should not be presented as a factual statement, as that line did. |
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:3) Even the source used in the book of 230D in Plato's Phaedrus is wrong! Or, at the very least it's taken WAY out of context. If you go read starting with 230C, Phaedrus says about Socrates "You are an amazing and most remarkable person. For you really do seem exactly like a stranger who is being guided about, and not like a native. You don't go away from the city out over the border, and it seems to me you don't go outside the walls at all." |
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:It was a compliment, not an accusation, and the next line further shows it was a friendly and affectionate conversation when Socrates responds in 230E: "Forgive me, my dear friend. You see, I am fond of learning. Now the country places and the trees won't teach me anything, and the people in the city do. But you seem to have found the charm to bring me out. For as people lead hungry animals by shaking in front of them a branch of leaves or some fruit, just so, I think, you, by holding before me discourses in books, will lead me all over Attica and wherever else you please." (https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0174%3Atext%3DPhaedrus%3Asection%3D230d) ] (]) 07:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Political climate == |
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], unlike Ethics, is not an "area" of academic philosophy. "Epistemology" may be the preferred term in this instance. ] (]) 15:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Cinadon36}} please explain how the political climate is relevant here. I don't think the paragraph that I removed does this. Thanks, ] 13:05, 6 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Basketball == |
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:hi @]. Apologies for the delay. I 'll try to reply as soon as I have some spare time. ]] 08:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC) |
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How many players in basketball ] (]) 07:03, 5 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::Hi @], Apologies for the late reply. The political climate is pivotal for grasping the trial of Socrates. A prevalent theory suggests that the trial was politically motivated, as elaborated within the section. It's crucial to provide readers with contextual information regarding the political climate of the time to fully comprehend the political argument presented in the article.]] 07:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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