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== '''These imposters need to be banned from public life'''==
When rationalist movement is gaining momentum, under the stewardship of shri ghosh, and his words and work are continuously hitting the pillars of exploitation, it was obvious that ''''''pathological li'''ers and'''''' swin'''dlers like debasish bhattacharjee, gour adhikary etc will again try to manifest their shamelessness. I wish to state here that, these hired agents had lost all the 14 cases the filed against shri Ghosh in various courts including the Hon'ble Calcutta High Court and i will surely try to mention the case numbers so that any one willing to know the truth can draw copies of judgement, for their perusal. also, i wud request the wikepedia team to initiate an enquiry against debasish bhattacharjee, chiroronjon pal, rajesh and sutapa banerjee, gour adhikary, ramkamal kundu and all those involved to malign a personality like shri parabir ghosh, and display their credential fr public knowledge..many facts will come out, like the one pointed out by debasis chatterjee..i feel this must be done fr the sake of truth.
further, posting of such malafide, fraudulent, rotten and motivated articles which lacks facts, figures and truth about a renowned personality will tarnish the image of wikipedia, which too is unwarranted.
--] 08:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)arindam bhattacharya



== Books by Prabir Ghosh == == Books by Prabir Ghosh ==
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Some of the books are listed at http://www.mukto-mona.com/link/book.htm credited to Ghosh - but it's a partial list and appears to be copied from the humanists.net page above. --] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 12:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Some of the books are listed at http://www.mukto-mona.com/link/book.htm credited to Ghosh - but it's a partial list and appears to be copied from the humanists.net page above. --] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 12:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
:I have removed the bulk of the books, re-formatted the section into a more standard list and removed the tag. ] 00:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC) :I have removed the bulk of the books, re-formatted the section into a more standard list and removed the tag. ] 00:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
::Nothing is supernatural? Everything is Supernatural. What we cannot experience we term as "Supernatural". How does a huge banyan tree reside in a small seed? Think deeply, think philosophically.-] (]) 18:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Can I add some books of prabir Ghosh? ===
And what documents need to add this books? ] (]) 01:09, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


== NPOV Biography == == NPOV Biography ==
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:Not only did the biography have peacock problems, it had apparently been copied verbatim from , so I . &mdash; ] 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC) :Not only did the biography have peacock problems, it had apparently been copied verbatim from , so I . &mdash; ] 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


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== Prabir Ghosh: Rationalist or a fake doctor? ==

This is Sukanta. I have visited the page on '''Prabir Ghosh'''. The page claims many things which in turn glorify Mr. Ghosh. I know Prabir Ghosh very well. So, I find it necessary to inform you some facts about this person:


1. The claim in the page talking about "20 times life attempts" is ridiculously false. Not a single immediate news-report can be produced to corroborate this, and any line of cross checking of its sources would surely lead to none other than Mr. Ghosh himself. Many of his claims of 'rationalist exposure' of some alleged miraculous events are also entirely fabricated (of course, this fact discredits Ghosh without justifying miracles).

2. This Prabir Ghosh is little more than a fake medical practitioner. In some books written by himself, he claimed himself to be a psychiatric healer, particularly a hypnotherapist, without having acquired any relevant training or academic qualification. I have collected those documents. I am giving here just two documents, collected from his book 'Dharma-Seva-Sammohan' (meaning, religion-service-hypnotism), where he calls himself
a "Dr." and describes his "treatement procedure". However, the document is in Bengali. You may please translate them.

<gallery>
Image:DSS1.jpg|Page 36 of Dharma-Seva-Sammohan
Image:DSS2.jpg|Page 39 of Dharma-Seva-Sammohan
</gallery>

3. Hypnotherapic treatment procedures elaborately described by him in one of his books have been reviewed by renowned experts of this field from three different quarters – namely ''Indian Medical Association'' ( West Bengal Chapter), a Kolkata based professional organization of psychiatrists and psychologists called ''Diagnostic and Applied Neuropsychiatric Association'' and Prof. Arup Ghoshal, Reader of the Department of Applied Psychology of Kolkata University. All the three reports have separately but equivocally rejected Prabir Ghosh’s special techniques of hypnotherapy as not only unscientific but also perverted. Again, the health department of the West Bengal state government opined in black and white that Mr. Ghosh's book on hypotherapy is unscientific, obscene and condemable under section 292 of Indian Penal Code. I am having the copies of all the reports. A few documents are attached here. I have also a few videos that show his "hypnotic practices".

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Image:IMA1.jpg|Report of Indian Medical Association (1)
Image:IMA2.jpg|Report of Indian Medical Association (2)
Image:DANA.jpg|Report of Diagnostic and Applied Neuropsychiatric Association
Image:AG1.jpg|Report of Prof. Arup Ghoshal
Image:Police1.jpg|Letter of health department
</gallery>

4. Prabir Ghosh has against him several allegations of sexual harassments of his female ‘patients’ in the name of hypnotherapic treatment. For sources, see the documents attached with point 6.

5. Prabir Ghosh also engaged himself in abusing a woman complainant with filthy words through telephone, a fact clearly substantiated by a report of the department of telecommunications of the Govt. of India and by a charge sheet prepared by the local police station. In this connection too, a state-versus case against Prabir Ghosh under section 509 IPC is pending in the Barrackpur Criminal Court (DUM DUM P.S. case No. 329 of 1996).

6. This Prabir Ghosh was actually expelled on the charge of such acts of fraudulence and malpractice from Bharatia Bigyan O Yuktibadi Samiti (Science & Rationalists’ Association of India) long back in 1996, and the news was covered by widely circulated Bengali dailies. I had collected those news clippings. A few are produced here.
<gallery>
Image:PGnews1.jpg|Cliping of KALANTAR (Kolkata, dt.- 19/08/1996)
Image:PGnews2.jpg|Cliping of SAMBAD PRATIDIN (Kolkata, dt.- 19/08/1996)
Image:PGnews3.jpg|Cliping of AAJKAL (Kolkata, dt.- 19/08/1996)
</gallery>

7. A news channel (Kolkata TV) from India had broadcasted a news on June 11, 2007 that Misplaced Pages had ranked Prabir Ghosh as World's number one rationalist. I was shocked to hear the news. I did mail to[REDACTED] and they strongly ignored the whole thing. I am quite sure, Prabir was personally involved to abuse the media. Currently, a site is maintained claiming the same. To check, you may visit the following link . This site is also maintained by Prabir Ghosh & company.

The page is probably violating the policy on biographies of living persons .


Response to the above allegations of Gour Adhikari (in disguise Sukanta) can be found here:

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/prabir/charge_against_prabir.htm


Thanks to the person who actually added the above two lines. I have gone through the above mentioned site. However, I do not find any response to the allegations. It is again and again claimed that Prabir Ghosh is the general secretary of SRAI. But the "response" is completely silent about the allegations raised against him. Moreover, Prabir proposed the theory - "The whole conspiracy was instigated by a group of astrologers & funded N.G.O.s". If he is sure that this is conspiracy, he should give at least one proof which shows, this is really a "conspiracy" and "instigated by a group of astrologers & funded N.G.O.s". Readers, please go through the above mentioned link, and decide, why the "response" is silent about the allegations raised against him.

By the way, I am not Gour Adhikari, I am Sukanta Das. But I know Gour Adhikari as well as Prabir Ghosh. Gour Adhikari and me can be easily identified separately as both of us are government employees.

09:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)]

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== A FILTHY CONSPIRACY TO DEFAME PRABIR GHOSH FOR HIS GREAT WORK ==
sukanta has given some information of the year 1996, but is silent about wat happened since last 11 years. wat is the outcome of the investigation and court cases?
'''does he has even a single case # where prabir ghosh was convicted?
no . because till date prabir ghosh has won all the cases and didnot loose any. these conspirators were not able to proove anything'''
'''SO THEY DECIDED TO TAKE A DIFFERENT STRATEGY...PROPAGANDA TO DEFAME THE RATIONALIST LEADER'''.
people who are posting these are are liars, antisocials and enemy of rationalist movement. they get paid from astrologers and godmen to destroy rationalist movement.
I know prabir ghosh since 1991-92. the above post is just a filthy conspiracy of magician, godmen, astrologers and funded NGOs to defame prabir for his work on rationalist and humanist movement. Gour or Sukanta is just a pawn in the conspiracy.
1) prabir ghosh had devoted his life to burst the gurus, godmen , astrologers and faith healers. these news had been published in all leading print media and electonic media of india and abroad some of which are Times, BBC, NGC, Australlia network and many more.
2) if whatever claimed by sukanta about fake doctorate degree of prabir ghosh is true, prabir ghosh can be charged of criminal offence and can be put behind bars. but instead of taking a legal course sukanta prefereed to post those info here.
smells very fishy .
in 1996 august few members were expelled from SRAI. those people claimed that prabir ghosh has a doctorate degree that is fake. it was investigated by the enforcement department and the report and the outcome of that investigation was prabir ghosh has done nothing illegal.
3) tele- teasing is also a criminal offence . i see that sukanto had given a gd #. was any charge filed against prabir ghosh? was he convicted?
let me tell you the answer is no.
''''''TILL DATE THERE ARE AROUND 14 LAW SUIT THET PRABIR GHOSH WON AGAINST THESE HOODLUMS.
THESE FILTHY CONSPIRATORS DIDNOT WIN EVEN 1 LAW SUIT AGAINST PRABIR GHOSH.''''''
4) SUTAPA BANDAPADHYAY an EXPELLED MEMBER OF SRAI filed a case against prabir ghosh for molestation and sexual harrashment . '''PRABIR GHOSH WON THAT CASE RECENTLY ON 21ST MARCH 07.'''
5)bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samity ( srai) is a regiistered organisation.
the register says that prabir ghosh was never expelled and is the general sec of the organisation without any break. in 1996 some conspirators had given an info to media that prabir ghosh was expelled.
also after that media had potrayed prabir ghosh as gen sec of SRAI many times.






'''I DEMAND THAT THE POST OF SUKANTA SHOULD
BE DELETED AS THE INFORMATION ARE FALSE AND POSTED TO DEFAME PRABIR GHOSH. '''
otherwise it'll ruin the reputaion of wikipedia.

if we dont have the liability to proove what we post anyone can post whatever they want.
if i dont have any responsibility to prove my claim like sukanta i can say that sukanta has been convicted of raping minors and also his mother was arrested for prostitution.
By DEBASIS CHATTERJEE
secretary BHARATIYA BIGYAN O YUKTIBADI SAMITY
--] 18:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, this is arindam.when rationalist movement is gaining momentum, under the stewardship of shri ghosh, and his words and work are continuously hitting the pillars of exploitation, it was obvious that pathological liers and swindlers like debasish bhattacharjee, gour adhikary etc will again try to be up against arms.
i wish to state here that, these hired agents had lost all the 13 cases the filed against shri ghosh in various courts including the hon'ble calcutta high court and i will surely try to mention the case numbers so that any one willing to know the truth can draw copies of judgement, for their perusal.
also, i wud request the wikepedia team to initiate an enquiry against debasish bhattacharjee, chiroronjon pal, rajesh and sutapa banerjee, gour adhikary, ramkamal kundu and all those involved to malign a personality like shri parabir ghosh, and display their credential fr public knowledge..many facts will come out, like the one pointed out by debasis chatterjee..i feel this must be done fr the sake of truth.

== THE POST "Prabir Ghosh: Rationalist or a fake doctor?" SHOULD BE DELETED ==
The post 'Prabir Ghosh: Rationalist or a fake doctor?' should be deleted as the information given in that post are false. sukanta mentioned that prabir ghosh was expelled in 1996, but what he kept secret is that there were number of court cases that were filed . as debashis mentioned , prabir ghosh has won all the cases and didnot loose any. according to the court judgement , prabir ghosh is the general secretary of bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samity without any DISCONTINUITY. that means according to court prabir ghosh was never expelled frm bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samity.
these people are incorrigible liars and they are trying to create a bad name for prabir ghosh as they are paid by astrologers and godmen.
these type of nasty and falsified post should be deleted
SREYA BANERJEE
BAHRATIYA BIGYAN O YUKTIBADI SAMITY -BANGALORE BRANCH

== THE POST'Prabir Ghosh: Rationalist or a fake doctor' IS BASED ON FALSIFIED INFORMATION. SO IT SHOULD BE DELETED ==
The post by sukanta Prabir Ghosh: Rationalist or a fake doctor is base on false allegation with the intention to defame prabir ghosh as a person. so it should be deleted.
sukanta posted a newspaper clipping of 19.08.96 but forgot to mention whom newspaper and media potrayed as general secretary of bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samiti since last 11 years. it's not illogical to anticipate that sukanta gets paid from a particular group for being ignorant and spreading these message.
let me post some newspaper clippings post 19.08.96
more: <gallery>
Image:news paper clipping potrays prabir as GS.jpg|sonar bangla news
Image:Sambad pratidin.jpg|Sambad Pratidin news
</gallery>








'''in 1996 some members were expelled from bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samity'''.
these expelled members filed cases at District court & the City Civil court, complaining that Prabir Ghosh was illegally working as the G.S. of bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samity (S.R.A.I.)
they lost the case in city civil court.
the copy of the judgement are furnished below
more: <gallery>
Image:deed1.jpg|citi civil court judgement pg1
Image:deed2.jpg|city civil court judgement pg2
Image:deed3.jpg|citi civil court judgement pg3
Image:deed4.jpg|citi civil court judgement pg4
</gallery>

''''''Against this, the opponents went to the High Court'''
'''lost the case there too'''
the copy of judgement of high court is furnished below
more: <gallery>
Image:deed5 hc.jpg|high court judgement pg1
Image:deed6hc.jpg|high court judgement pg2
</gallery>
Bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samity is a registered organisation.
'''The Registrar of Societies, in their certified copy of annual returns, has mentioned the name of Prabir Ghosh as the General Secretary of the association''', and the address of the regd. office is 72/8, Debinibas Road, Kolkata 700074, since the inception of the assn. in 1989. till today.
the certified copy are furnished below

more: <gallery>
Image:certifiedcopy1.jpg|certified copy of registrar
Image:certifiedcopy2.jpg|certified copy of registrar pg2
Image:certified copy3.jpg|certified copy of registrar pg3
</gallery>


'''SOME IMPOSTERS (GAUR ADHIKARI IS 1 OF THEM) WERE MISUSING THE NAME OF BHARATIYA BIGYAN O YUKTIBADI SAMITY AND SOME OF THEM ALSO PROCLAIM THEMSELVES AS GENERAL SECRETARY OF BHARATIYA BIGYAN O YUKTIBADI SAMITY. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS ILLEGAL AND CHEATING.
'''W. Bengal government has taken steps against the conspirators for illegal activities, false allegation & defamation, and sent a copy to Prabir Ghosh considering him as the gen sec of bharatiya bigyan o yuktibadi samity. the copy is furnished below''''''
more: <gallery>
Image:wb government's action.jpg|

</gallery>
LET US RECOGNISE THESE HOODLUMS, CRIMINALS IMPOSTERS WHO ARE PAID BY THE GODMEN AND ASTROLOGERS TO DEFAME THE LEADER OF RATIONALIST MOVEMENT. LETS THERE POST BE DELETED AND THEY SHOULD BE BANNED SO THAT WE CAN KEEP[REDACTED] A WONDERFUL RESOURCE FOR ALL ERUDITE PEOPLE.
DEBASIS CHATTERJEE..SEC. BHARATIYA BIGYAN O YUKTIBADI SAMITY.
--] 07:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== SUKANTA'S POST LACK SUFFICIENT PROOF , SHOULD BE DELETED==
sukanta is very much vocal about the fact that law suit was filed against prabir ghosh
but silent about if in last 11 verdict was given for any case. what was the verdict?
wud the people who r trying to defame prabir ghosh be able to show atleast 1 instances where verdict was given against prabir ghosh and they won ?
the answer is BIG NO.
On the talk page of[REDACTED] for a another article, Sukanta said that pinaki ghosh is involbed in cyber crime but without any proof.
can he show a single proof regarding that?
the answer again is BIG NO.
WAT A BIG INCORRIGIBLE LIAR U R , SUKANTA
debasis chatterjee had produced sufficient document to prove that claim of sukanta is falsified.
there is ample reason to beleive that sukanta's post was motivated by something else.
i strongly beleive that people like sukanta should be banned from[REDACTED] and i request to delete his post.
--] 07:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)



== Why Sukanta Das Will Not Be Considered As a Criminal? ==

I agree with every points of Debasis Chatterjee. Sukanta Das is trying to defame the international figure Prabir Ghosh by proofless dirty claims.
<P>
1) Any Indian citizen can draw copy of the court cases and certified copy of the Registrar of Societies. As an Indian citizen, I drew the certified copy of Science and Rationalists’ Association of India from Registrar of Societies. Which is nothing but the same copy produced by Debasis Chatterjee. The expelled members are using name of SRAI till now. Is it not illegal?
<P>
2) In March 2005, when team of National Geographic was working to make a documentary film on Prabir Ghosh, he exposed cheating of a millionaire astrologer Satyananda. Then, on a TV program, Satyananda gave fatwa to shoot Prabir Ghosh. His musclemen attacked French Robert, Reporter of National Geographic (Please see cuttings of Bengali newspaper 'Aajkaal', dated 18, 19 and 20 March, 2005).

<gallery>
Image:Image_of_Aajkaal_18March2005_01.jpg|Order of Chief Minister and voice of MLAs against astrologers.
Image:Image_of_Aajkaal_18March2005_02.jpg|Criminal life-history of astrologer Satyananda (Due part of previous cutting).
Image:Image_of_Aajkaal_19March2005.jpg|Action taken by State Government against astrologers and some TV Channels involved with them.
Image:Image_of_Aajkaal_20March2005.jpg|Column of Aajkaal’s editor regarding fatwa against Prabir Ghosh.
</gallery>



Video clippings of these events were broadcasted repeatedly (for some days) in a Bengali satellite channel ‘Akash Bangla’.

<P>
'''This event created storm from public, media to Legislative Assembly of West Bengal. Honorable Chief Minister Mr. Buddhadev Bhattacharya ordered to arrest Satyananda.'''
<P>

And he was put behind bars. At that time what was the activity of the expelled members? Obviously send e-mail (on 29 March 2005) to National Geographic making those baseless claims against Prabir Ghosh. For details please click the link below.
<P> </P>
Is it not an example of strengthen Satyananda’s Black Hand? Actually these illegal activists were packed with the astrologer. (They are habituated to do this kind of work.) Even some politicians were with them!
<P>
3) Pinaki Ghosh did a sting operation for BBC to expose a cyber crime, which has stated by Sukanta Das. But Sukanta made proofless claim that, Pinaki Ghosh was involved with the cyber crime. Who exposed the crime, was he the criminal? Is it not a statement like a foolish goat? Pinaki Ghosh also did a sting operation for BBC, which exposed a big crime of Missionaries of Charity. Before broadcast whole of these sting operations, BBC had shown clippings. Who is involved to clear crime from society, Sukanta claiming that, he is the criminal! Is these false claims are not crime?

<p>In addition, Pinaki Ghosh has written an e-book published from Singapore. '''Protect cyber crime is one of the two parts of the e-book.''' For details please

<P><br />
'''I demand to delete whole message entitled ‘Prabir Ghosh: Rationalist or a fake doctor?’ and ban fraud & criminal Sukanta Das from Misplaced Pages. Otherwise, good reputation of Misplaced Pages must be ruined.'''
<br />] 07:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Response of Sukanta ==

I am delighted to learn that so many good new friends of mine have cared to hear me. Such new friends having so many harsh words to throw at me (for some of which normal grammar, spelling, case & font weren’t considered good enough), actually exposed Prabir Ghosh in such a conclusive fashion that I even couldn’t have ever dreamt of. Let’s list the issues pointed out by me what they don’t have to say anything about and apparently is already aware of:

''1.'' Ghosh falsely interpreted the contents of a[REDACTED] page to fox a TV channel (Kolkata TV) into broadcasting Ghosh’s meaningless claim of being “World’s number one rationalist” as a hard news. Till today a site (to check click here ) claiming the same is maintained by them to make the people stupid.

''2.'' Ghosh’s claim of facing “20 times life attempts” is totally baseless.

''3.'' Many of his claims of “rationalist exposure” of alleged miraculous events are also fabricated (and I beg to add again, parts of his writings are nothing but not-too-sophisticated plagiarism).

''4.'' He falsely claims to be a trained doctor and dangerously engages in hypnotherapy (not only practices but also teaching layman), encroaching the boundaries of law and ethics.

''5.'' He has against him allegations of sexual harassment in the name of treatment.

''6.'' He described at length in his book his special techniques of hypnotherapy, and those techniques were rejected by genuine experts as perverted and unscientific.



Now if all these are left untouched, one wonders, what remains to constitute a ‘notable (or great) rationalist’? Nevertheless, attention is to be paid to a few points, which all they have said must boil down to. I present them along with my comments in separate modules:

'''They:''' Between 1996 and now, the media again and again called Ghosh the leader of SRAI.<br />
'''Me:''' This is as true for Ghosh as for his opponents. Philosophers have ever proposed doggedly opposing theories to pin down the real factors constituting pure truth, but none of them said that credulity of journalists is one of them. Remember, the men working for Kolkata TV didn’t even care to cross check the status of the stupid claim of Ghosh - matter of a few mouse clicks.

'''They:''' If Ghosh is so bad, why isn’t he arrested?<br />
'''Me:''' I believe this is a very right question asked to the wrong person. Only the police and administrative persons can answer this. What I can add here is that exactly the same may be asked about so many wrongdoers, some of whom are much bigger fish than Ghosh.

'''They:''' Ghosh is the real General Secretary of SRAI. He won all the 14 cases filed by the conspirators. The unauthorized conspirators are misusing the banner of SRAI.<br />
'''Me:''' It could be my turn to ask, if it is so, ‘why don’t the police arrest them’, but I know that’s worthless. I don’t think the question of legality or illegality of holding the banner of SRAI (by anyone) is much relevant in this context. I referred to this and cited the news clippings only to show that the misdeeds of Ghosh are widely known, in and outside of SRAI which is not falsified by the responses.<br />
I know a little about a few court cases, but the number 14 seems really too much. I would be obliged to have specific references about each of them, and also about those filed by Ghosh against his conspirators and defamers, if any.<br />
Lastly, winning all cases is patently absurd, as many of them are ongoing still, as the one I specifically referred to. Also, it is apparent from the responses that the activities of SRAI are parallelly run by others.

'''They:''' Ghosh won the criminal case filed against him for molestation in the name of treatment.<br />
'''Me:''' I cited news clippings but not specific complains, which they thankfully cared to do. This win could have been really convincing, only if Ghosh himself didn’t claim in his book as his method of treatment exactly what the woman complained in black and white to the court, and if Ghosh’s description of his ‘patients’ stature and feature didn’t exactly fit those of the real complainant, and if the case wasn’t filed before the publication of his book! All these are easily demonstrable. You can cheat court, but not history.

'''They:''' Sukanta, along with the opponents of Ghosh, is acting to defame Ghosh in the pay of godmen, astrologers and funded NGOs.<br />
'''Me:''' The burden of proof is of course upon themselves which they don’t care to bear. But one may wonder, how much money it will take to hire the national level doctors’ association, so many university experts and the state health department – all who opined against him – along with me, an IT teacher of a reputed university!<br />
And yes, funded NGOs, are they really so bad? Well, I would like know whether Ghosh’s opponents ever received government funding, but I can prove Ghosh himself certainly did!

'''They:''' Prabir Ghosh’s son Pinaki Ghosh was not involved in cyber crimes, but actually worked for BBC for exposing cyber crimes.<br />
'''Me:''' Again I am thankful to my friends, as they remembered me the facts about Pinaki Ghosh who played a key role to promote his father in wikipedia, though I didn’t mention his name in this page. Pinaki added Ghosh’s name at the beginning of a list of ‘notable rationalists’ maintained in ] page, based on which Kolkata TV broadcasted a news on June 11, 2007 that Misplaced Pages had ranked Prabir Ghosh as ''World's number one rationalist''. Prabir as well as Pinaki were involved to abuse the media. This Pinaki Ghosh was allegedly involved in serious cyber crimes. The relevant news clippings can be found here . (The news are in Bengali, you may please translate them.) Did Pinaki or BBC take any action against the news paper? I would like to have details.

These responses are full of so many irrelevant documents, incoherent talks and false information which I consider not worthy of discussion, but something must be said about the attitude of my responsive friends. I won’t reciprocate the allegation that they are people hired by Prabir Ghosh – even the worst mobster has unquestioning followers. But I must draw the reader’s attention to the fact that they don’t retain the courage to ask their master about the inconsistency of his own claims. This is a culture that is typical not of rationalists but of the cult groups headed by fakes. Rationalistic philosophy does not allow deception. -- Sukanta

=='''SUKANTA'S CLAIM OF JUDGEMENT COPY OF COURT AS "IRRELEVANT DOCUMENTS", INCRIMANTES HIM AS NINCOMPOOP'''==
Beyond question is sukanta's deligence to defame prabir, smart people can make out what's motivating him. when sukanta's says certified copy of a judgement of court as irrelevant documents, common people with normal level of intelligence has to question his accumen.
1) can sukanta show any 1 case reference and a certified copy of the judgement that shows prabir ghosh was convicted? any body can file a case against any 1. but that proves nothing.
2) no where prabir ghosh claimed that he is a doctor (medical practitioner). there's a difference betweena doctor and doctorate degree holder. the book dharma-seba-sammohan was published in jan1997. so '''in last 10 years, people who are so vocal to claim that his doctorate degree is fake were not upright and candid enough to take legal action against prabir and put him behind bars'''.
sukanta may felt mercy on prabir to cite specific complains against prabir about sexual harrashment. however in my last post, i gave the specific details that an expelled member sutapa bandapadhyay complained that she was molested by prabir. SUTAPA LOST THAT CASE AND PRABIR WAS PROVED NOT GUILTY.the judgement day was 21march 07. sukanta, please be specific. who was sexually harrased ? '''WERE YOU SEXUALLY HARRASED BY PRABIR GHOSH?'''
IF YES, DID YOU FILED A CASE? PLS LET US KNOW IN DETAILS.
3) SRAI is a registered organisation and registrar accepts prabir ghosh (and him only) as gen. sec of SRAI. registered copy i had already submitted before.
4) sukanta , for your information, you have no right to demand for an answer from pinaki or prabir ghosh. if you have any criminal allegation against them pls feel free to produce the judgemnet copy of their conviction. otherwise '''STOP THIS KIND OF MONKEY-BUISNESS'''.
your response without any legal documents has accentuated how base-less your allegation are your unscrupulous intention is also not obscure.
Debasis Chatterjee.sec. Bharatiya Bigyan O Yuktibadi Samiti
--] 22:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

==PRABIR GHOSH IS BEING TARGETED FOR HIS CRUSADE AGAINST SUPERSTITION==
Going against
religion and godmen is a tough job in India. Prabir Ghosh in his
relentless crusade against all wrong practices in the name of religion >and the ancient scriptures has become the target of godmen and
astrologers. As a result, many politicaians and big shots, themselves
superstitious and corrupt, have been rubbed on the wrong side. Prabir is
at his work on promoting rational and scientific thinking for the last
25+ years. During this long period there have been many allegations by
the culprits who had been caught red-handed by the Rationalists' Assn.
led by Prabir. All these incidents have been categorically narrated in
his 20 odd books, and are read by millions Bengali readers. They are
regular best-sellers too. '''As for the false cases--- there was an attempt
to destroy his Association in 1996. The conspirators brought numerous
charges against him. But each of these cases have been won by Prabir. All
cases stand closed, as found baseless and motivated.''' This is an old story
now. Such things happened to all social workers in the past too, who tried
to re-define religion or change religious or social practices. Prabir
Ghosh, the General Secretary of > Rationalists' Association of India since
its inception in 1985 is continuing his single-minded crusade with
indomitable courage and conviction till date.
SUMITRA PADMANABHAN. PRESIDENT-BHARATIYA BIGYAN O YUKTIBADI SAMITI.
--] 05:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)



== Sukanta, why have you not produced judgment copy and certified copy of the Registrar of Society? ==


'''To Sukanta Das:-'''<p>

1) No one can buy a rationalist. I love rationalist movement. That is why I have shouted against your false and illegal claim. Express any word against you can mean that Prabir Ghosh has hired your opponents? "…they are people hired by Prabir Ghosh"- from your strongly biased, irrational and false claim it is clear that, you are hired by godman, astrologer, some media or State.<p>

2) The judgment copy of court case produced by Debasis Chatterjee contains the verdict that, Prabir Ghosh is the General Secretary of ‘Science and Rationalists’ Association of India’ (SRAI), discontinuously. Certified copy of the Registrar of Society contains the same information. In spite of that, you are playing your broken cassette. Sukanta, produce the certified copy of the Registrar of Society, by which you will be able to proof that, except Prabir Ghosh any other person is the General Secretary of SRAI (Bharatiya Bigyan O Yuktibadi Samiti). If you produce such document, I Anindyasundar Mandal is giving guarantee that, I '''will''' send you behind prison-bars by the help of law. <p>

3) I am producing my photo, voter identity card (which is an authentic identity and address proof by the Election Commission of India) <p>


<gallery>
Image:Anindya.jpg|My photo
Image:My_Voter_ID_1.jpg|My voter identity card, Page 1
Image:My_Voter_ID_2.jpg|My voter identity card, Page 2
</gallery>
<p>
and full address here:-


<blockquote>
Full Name- Anindyasundar Mandal,<br />
Father’s Name- Balaicharan Mandal,<br />
Village + Post Office- Shyamsundarpur Patna,<br />
Police Station- Panskura,<br />
District- Purba Medinipur,<br />
PIN- 721169,<br />
West Bengal,<br />
India.<br />
e-mail id: anindyasundar@rediffmail.com
</blockquote>

'''There is a lot of probability that, 'Sukanta Das' is a fake name.''' <p>

If 'Sukanta Das' is not a fake name, please produce here your clear photo with full address and voter identity card. <p>
<br />
'''My request to Misplaced Pages:-''' <p>

Within 7 days if Sukanta Das does not produce certified copy of the Registrar of Society and above mentioned documents, please delete his whole message and ban him. '''Please don’t entertain such fraud case.'''<br />] 07:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

== letter to mr.sukanta ==
.

i have gone to mr prabir ghose for judging.i tell him all about the claims of you.he submitted me a lot of papers as document. you have written in this website that a few cases is running against prabir ghose.but mr. ghose submitted me all the paper of those cases.he shows me the authenticity of registration of his society 'bharatia bigyan o juktibadi samiti'.i was surprised to know that mr.ghose already won those cases.after these i went to barackpur and howrah court for checking.i got same result.it is not the end .a few days before i went to prankrisna saha lane, baranagar.the people who claims that they are the original juktibadi samiti's member, used this address of prankrisna saha lane as there central office.they could not show me any document about there authenticity.not only that , they failed to show the certified registration copy of there samiti.later i checked the juktibadi samiti's registration. for this i went to society registrtion office near podder court.they gave me a copy of this matter, written that regisered office of bharatia bigyan o jutibadi samiti is 72/8 debinibas road,kolkata-74 and prabir ghose is the general secretay of the samiti.the all calcuttans know that this debinibas road's address is prabir ghose's residence.
i have a question to you?why you wrote this article in website claiming false information?are you with any astologers union?answer me--] 15:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)rationalistbiplab@rediffmail.com


== 'John' (who defamed Prabir Ghosh) is a fake name!! Please click the links below. ==



'John' is a fake name!! His message has posted by ‘Somna1h’. Please note at the end of his message, how ‘Somna1h’ has made changes with his user name! <p>

1) He used the name ‘Somna1h’ at 15:49, 21 July 2007. Please <p>

2) He deleted ‘Somna1h’ and added the name ‘John’ at 15:49, 21 July 2007. Please <p>

3) He used both the names ‘John’ and ‘Somna1h’ at 15:59, 21 July 2007. Please <p>

4) Finally he deleted ‘Somna1h’ and added the name ‘jOHN’ at 15:59, 21 July 2007. Note the difference of spelling (case). '''This is not possible by a real signature. ‘Somna1h’ has faked this signature.''' <br />Please <p>


'''I am requesting Misplaced Pages to enquiry this case. You shall find more significant points'''<br />

--] 17:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Sukanta again: Fakery can’t be hidden under piles of worthless papers ==

I don’t know how many more times I will have to say the same things. I don’t mind their indecent shoutings – these are more frivolous than humiliating, but I certainly don’t enjoy the feeling of arguing in an unenlightened environment. Nevertheless, there seems to be something very curious about their behavior and attitude. I will come to that point just after addressing what they have said meanwhile, one by one:

'''1.''' There are millions of courts in the world generating billions of documents, and they are all very formidable, but yes, absolutely irrelevant here. None of them will reduce the obscenity or unscientificity of Ghosh’s writing apparent from the experts’ reports, and our friends readily acknowledged the fact through their silence. Exactly the same can be said about the question of Ghosh’s fake healing, false claim of medical authority, claim of being “world’s number one rationalist ever” (whatever that means), misusing wikipedia, foxing kolkata TV, pulling stories of ‘rationalist exposures’ out of thin air and shameless plagiarism. I want clear and specific arguments about these issues, if at all there’s any. What should I do with tons of worthless papers? If anyone is making unauthorized use of the SRAI banner, please take steps to put them behind the bars, but where are reasonable answers to my questions? The demand that court-documents of conviction must be produced to be allowed to make rational criticism of the writings of a ‘notable rationalist’ is an incredibly crazy one. Did Ghosh himself produce a single court-document of conviction for astrologers and godmen, against whom he claims to have done so much?<br />
'''2.''' Of course Ghosh claimed to be a doctor with a very original method, but wait…okay, okay…then he is not a doctor but a doctorate? Of applied or pure psychology, I suppose? Or of Greek, or hieroglyphs? Of which university? Which year? Who was his research guide? What was the title of his thesis? I would like to know, only to have the opportunity to repent the act of having hurt a genuine scholar! In the last ten years the police and the health department were of course informed about him, of which the health department letter produced above was a small result. But still, like millions of fakes in India and abroad, he managed to remain outside the reach of law. We rationalists will go on acting to change this scenario. About sexual harassment, no, not me, and I hope, not even Debasis Chatterjee himself or his close relatives were victimized by Ghosh, but I believe the poor complainant certainly was. If the court says no to her, Ghosh himself said yes. I think, a translation of a few lines from the book where he describes what he does to a female ‘patient’ with complaints of having been engaged in an incestuous relationship with his brother, will suffice to illustrate my point: ''before hypnotizing the elder sister, she was to be examined physically and mentally. Her breasts being fondled twice or so, the elder sister informed that one of her breasts felt it much less than the other''. (For the original document click here ). Leave aside the experts’ opinions presented earlier. Can you supply any technical reference of hypnotherapy to support this kind of ‘treatment’, my good friends? <br />
'''3.''' Of course I have the right to demand explanation from Prabir and Pinaki and anyone else, and that’s exactly what I am doing here and others are doing elsewhere – in media, public forums, meetings, fairs, and everywhere he goes. This will be done until proper answers are met with. They are absolutely free not to answer me, but then, others are also free to take them for fakes.<br />
'''4.''' Someone posted his photo, voter ID and full address and urged me to do so. I appreciate the photo of this nice young guy, and having his address, love to imagine that one day I will visit him, stay an hour or two gently discussing the weather, the harvest and the like – indeed a nice outing to the sweet Bengal countryside. But I’m sorry; the mere fact that he did so seems to be a very insufficient ground for my doing the same. I said it’s my real name, and if he doesn’t want to believe that, he just needn’t. That has no bearing on anything we discuss here.<br />
'''5.''' Yet another one undertook all by himself the extremely arduous task of roaming from door to door in search of court-documents, in this awesome sultry Bengal summer, with a die-hard hope of being able to ‘judge’ Prabir Ghosh. I am sorry if I have caused this, but I would urge him to save time and energy for something more significant, because there are less cumbersome ways to judge him.<br />


Now I come to what interests me most about the exact way they argue. I believe there is an intriguing connection between what they defend and how they defend, but before concluding we must put schematically what they have to say:


'''a.''' All allegations against Ghosh are false, because his opponents, alongwith Sukanta, are trying to defame him.<br />
'''b.''' They are trying to defame him, because he fought against godmen, and the godmen hired them.<br />
'''c.''' The godmen must have hired them, because they are defaming Ghosh.<br />
'''d.''' And they are defaming Ghosh, because he is the true general secretary of SRAI.<br />
'''e.''' And as he is the true GS of SRAI, all allegations against him are false.<br />
'''f.''' As these allegations are false, those making allegations are base liars.<br />
'''g.''' And as they are base liars, the allegations they make must also be false.<br />


Surely any standard textbook of logic and scientific method will reject such a structure of reasoning as an ugly admixture of circular argument, ignoratio elenchi and argumentum ad hominem. But why do they make use of this, combined with the absurd claim of having won the lawsuits that are ongoing still? Because this is exactly what they need to defend fakery. They need an antirational, authoritative, mythological culture guised as rationalism to build up a breeding ground for fakes. They are nurtured by the overall irrationality of the social system, the state and its highly flawed and incomplete legal system. By the fear, greed and domination that drives the world. By the helpless ignorant individual looking for new traces of hope in the face of poverty, humiliation, uncertainty, deception, and organized threats.


Is this image related to this article: ] ? ] 04:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
But still, knows the rationalist, truth is invincible. The nastier they shout, the more the world knows about their master’s strange nature! -- Sukanta


== Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2019 ==
== From Sukanta: Dont mis-guide readers ==


{{edit semi-protected|Prabir Ghosh|answered=yes}}
It is observed that some are again and again removing all the discussions regarding Prabir Ghosh. Sometime they are telling, this is ''wikipedia cleanup process'', sometime they argue, the discussion has no relevance and it is just a personal attack! Whats more, they are threatening, I shall be banned from editing if I dont obey them! What I have done here? I raised a few questions about Ghosh. I challenged his several claims with relevent documents written in this page. I produced a number of arguments which showed Ghosh is nothing but a fake doctor. Ghosh has been misusing wikipedia, because this is not a place for self-promotion.
To add a link under the See Also heading to the web page for the television documentary Gurubusters, to which Prabir Ghosh was a major contributor in 1994. Prabir Ghosh appears in the third clip on the web page, which features Rationalists from Kolkata campaigning against quacks and fraudulent remedies for snake bite. The link is: http://www.eagletv.co.uk/projects/guru-busters.html ] (]) 08:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)


:{{Not done}} per ] (and this would go under ''External links'' rather than ''See also'' anyway). &ndash;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;]) 15:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
When I first put my arguments some of Ghosh's blind followers badly responded with harsh language. One may find several accounts were created just to write few words against my arguments. And when I did submit my further arguments they all became silent. Till date they can not produce a valid argument in favour of their master. Then they have taken a different way -- to delete the whole argument/discussion. The persons who deleted the arguments never raised a single question against Ghosh, and never tried to edit the main page which is having much wrong information. --] 12:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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Books by Prabir Ghosh

There is currently just a long, incorrectly formatted list in this section. We need a source that he wrote these books - http://humanists.net/avijit/prabir/sra.htm lists the books, but doesn't explicitly say that he wrote them. And even if he wrote them, this long list with copied descriptions is not appropriate to an encyclopedia (better to give a link).

Some of the books are listed at http://www.mukto-mona.com/link/book.htm credited to Ghosh - but it's a partial list and appears to be copied from the humanists.net page above. --Singkong2005 12:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the bulk of the books, re-formatted the section into a more standard list and removed the tag. Michaelbusch 00:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Nothing is supernatural? Everything is Supernatural. What we cannot experience we term as "Supernatural". How does a huge banyan tree reside in a small seed? Think deeply, think philosophically.-59.95.22.151 (talk) 18:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Can I add some books of prabir Ghosh? === And what documents need to add this books? Pkonar (talk) 01:09, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

NPOV Biography

This section seems overly laudatory. He may be a great guy, but his biography needs to be less praise for him than information about him. 35.11.78.96 03:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Concur. It currently reads like a letter of reference. Michaelbusch 16:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

A definite peacock problem here with statements like, "With this knowledge of the human mind, his keen sense of politics gives him an insight and a rare understanding of all human problems." Needs a good scrub but if you remove all the extraneous stuff, there's little left.

Not only did the biography have peacock problems, it had apparently been copied verbatim from here, so I removed it entirely. — Elembis 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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Is this image related to this article: Image:News paper clipping potrays prabir as GS.jpg ? John Vandenberg 04:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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To add a link under the See Also heading to the web page for the television documentary Gurubusters, to which Prabir Ghosh was a major contributor in 1994. Prabir Ghosh appears in the third clip on the web page, which features Rationalists from Kolkata campaigning against quacks and fraudulent remedies for snake bite. The link is: http://www.eagletv.co.uk/projects/guru-busters.html Roberte207 (talk) 08:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done per WP:EL (and this would go under External links rather than See also anyway). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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