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== 2014 patent == == Recommended updates ==

It's always interesting when a scientist like this gets a patent like this: http://patents.justia.com/patent/9700870
Editor Dough Weller, I have made the following editing:
US Patent for Method and apparatus for the industrial production of new hydrogen-rich fuels Patent (Patent # 9,700,870)

Apr 3, 2014 - MAGNEGAS CORPORATION
1)To prevent discriminations (see, e.g., the article on Sir Roger Penrose https://en.wikipedia.org/Roger_Penrose) I have added the title of "Sir" only once at the very top (for documentation, see the "Honors" in the CV , citations being available in numerous independent sources, such as the website of the international conference in Osaka, Japan https://www.scientificfederation.com/chemical-engineering-catalysis/speakers.php , numerous citations available on request);
"A method with various related apparatus polarizes the orbits of atomic electrons by strong magnetic fields creating in the atomic structure a magnetic field. The polarized atoms are introduced onto fuels, improving an efficiency of the fuels, including but not limiting to, new forms of gaseous, liquid and solid fuels with a bonded-in content of Hydrogen, Oxygen and/or other gases to enhance energy output and decrease contaminants in the exhaust. Further, methods of coating computer chips and other surfaces for their protection against oxidation, new fuels with energy content and flame temperatures greater than those of the conventional form of the same fuels, etc." FYI ] (]) 02:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


2) I have removed the second line "Mainstream scientists dismiss his theories as fringe science." and replaced with "originator of hadronic mechanics and chemistry" because mainstream scientists do not consider "fringe science" a lifelong dedication to the verification of the EPR Argument, and also because the current line is demeaning for the Unites States of America according to countless complaints on record throughout two decades.

3) In the 6th line of Biography I changed
"a one man organization, the Institute for Basic Research" into "the Institute for Basic Research " because the "one man"
claim is grossly disproved by the main page of the IBR i-b-r(dot)org/ that has been listing for years a division in Israel headed by Prof. P. Mandell, a division in Kazakstan headed by Prof. A. K. Aringazin, and a division in Nigeria headed by Prof. A. O. E . Animalu, while
stating from its inception " The Institute Statute does not allow the disclosure of their names, but their work can be identified by searching the various scientific archives under".
4) The word "Jewish" physicists etc. has been removed everywhere and replaced with "mainstream orthodox" physicists, etc. because: the word "Jewish" it does not exist in Il Grande Grido; Santilli son in law is Jewish; Santilli is known to have supported several Jewish physicists for their participation to meeting; and the recent International Teleconference on Einstein's Determinism (http://eprdebates.org/epr-conference-2020.php) has been organized by Santilli in collaboration with the Family of Israel Foundation (http://www.i-b-r.org/translational-medicine.htm);
5) The entire paragraph starting with "After an explosion..." because Santilli's lawsuit against Frank Israel . contains documentation and testimonials that Magnegas stockholders, including myself, had suffered financial losses because of misrepresentations in Misplaced Pages's article on Santilli suitable for shorting the stock. In fact, the bottles that caused the indicated accidents were delivered by Magnegas Distributors and not by the factory that, as such has been removed by any and all liabilities. In any case, the listing in an article dedicated to a scientist of deaths occurred several years after the scientist left the company is blatantly questionable.
6) I have added information on Thunder Energies Corporation, whose documentation is available in the corporate SEC filings (that I cannot list here due to the prohibition to edit the references), the sale of the public shell and the transfer of the ownership of all technologies to the private company
Hadronic Technologies Corporation for possible applications of the main technologies to National Security.
7) I have removed completely the statement starting with "In 2017 an article...." because of the evident loss of credibility by Misplaced Pages treating equivocal internet gossip in an article that is supposed to be eventually dedicated to the proof of the most important prediction by Einstein.


8) I added the section on Honors from the CV as quoted independently by various sources. We believe it is demeaning for Misplaced Pages not to quote honors received by the scientists who spent his research life to prove that Einstein was right.
Why Misplaced Pages does not list this important patent in Santilli's article? Is it because it proves the politics of Calo's criticism? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{re|Joseph9871}} We would need several sources meeting ] discussing it in some depth. Please dont suggest that editors are blocking something for nefarious reasons. ] ] 21:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Would the patent number and the pdf of the entire patent be sufficient to provide a reliable source? ] (]) 21:16, 26 February 2018 (UTC) Editorialeffort
:::In a word, no. If the patent is 'important', its importance can be demonstrated by evidence that it has been discussed in depth by third-party reliable sources. ] (]) 08:11, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::::That's the gist of it. Yes, you can prove that the patent exists, but why would it be mentioned in an encyclopedia? A claim that it proves something is what we call ] and not allowed unless you have multiple reliable sources showing that it is significant. ] ] 08:41, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::So Pepijn van Erp blog is more important and reliable than the US Patent Office?] (])editorial Editorialeffort <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 20:43, 15 August 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


9) I added in the section "Selected Publications" the main papers presenting Santilli's claimed verifications of the EPR and I relisted, for their understanding, Santilli's "Elements of Hadronic Mechanics" that were removed by the article for reasons damaging Misplaced Pages because, according to the record under History, said volumes were accepted by t he Ukraine Academy of Science following severe reviews by highly qualified scientists, such as t he late Klimik, Sissakian, and others. I also added
(cur | prev) 20:50, 15 August 2018‎ David Eppstein (talk | contribs)‎ . . (15,265 bytes) (+3)‎ . . (Undid revision 855083228 by Editorialeffort (talk) I don't think this is an improvement) (undo | thank) (Tag: Undo)
mathematical, physical and chemical papers published in refereed journals in which Santilli is not an editor, which papers are essential for the understanding of the apparent EPR verifications.
David Eppstein, if you look at the source, that is the only line that reports, no other criticism is listed , so it seems to me that it is an improvement since it is accurate and specific.Criticism is a legitimate activity, calling someone stupid is not, no matter how Pepijn van Erp and cohort pretend that it is freedom of speech. You can leave it, but it is not the reason there is a law suit and you bear the responsibility of the information. Not that it matters, it is just question of integrity of the process] (])Editorialeffort
* Interesting word choice. Is that a Capracotta accent I hear? 21:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Capracotta does not have an accent, it is only my trying to pick the best words among the three languages I am fluent in..so far it served me well
**{{u|Editorialeffort}} So you're saying the lawsuit is purely over the title of van Erp's blog post, and not over its content? Do you have a published reliable source for that? —] (]) 21:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::The published source is the Villamedia article and you need to ask Pepijn van Erp.By the way the article is in Dutch and it is not a good service for the readers of Misplaced Pages] (])Editorialeffort
:::The Villamedia article says that the suit is over a critical article, and in a separate part of the Villamedia article it gives the title of the critical article. Nowhere does it say that the cause of the suit is purely the title of the article. —] (]) 22:15, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


In closing allow me to recommend that the article be completed wiuth a section entitled "Research" since all visitors are expecting news on Santilli's apparent verifications of the EPR argument, while now there is none. I can draft this section, but I would need access to the References. Thank you. Jolli321 <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:18, 22 October 2020. NOTE: My above specified editing of Santilli's 'article' was removed by David Epstein in about three minutes following its posting. (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::
::: "It is not that I sleep badly, because I have confidence in a good outcome. But it costs a lot of energy. I am most surprised about the fact that such a court in the US does not immediately put such a matter aside. "
::: Well, it is the standard story of Mr. Van Erp. Always play on the man behind the subject. Discussing and mocking the subject in a blurry way and if possible, the man / woman behind the derided story may also be popular. Boontje comes for his wage ..?
::: And yes, choose from now 'something more subtle' your words .. ;-)"] (])Editorialeffort


Can please some more administrative persons who can decide have a look at the above proposed change. I find the page insulting, too, so it should be overworked. Till Meyenburg <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* One of the following news sites on Santilli's patent on magnecules should be quoted in his Article


Agreed. This page needs an unbiased administrative review in the interest of Misplaced Pages standing and its role of information vehicle. It is now evident that nobody has been and is allowed to make changes or additions in order to make a fair representation of the contributions of Prof, Santilli who, at age 87, keeps working and publishing in peer-reviewed journals such as Ratio Mathematica 1)<ref>https://eiris.it/ojs/index.php/ratiomathematica/article/view/477</ref> and Springer Nature Scientific Reports 2) <ref>Sci Rep 12 , 20674 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-022-24970-4</ref>on subjects that, everybody can see, are vital to science and therefore society .The focus of this Misplaced Pages article is on events presented in negative light only that occurred almost 10 years ago. His recent article published by Nature and his work on the EPR argument point out to new horizons that lead to possible solutions to the crisis of our environment. By looking at the editing history the page, it is evident that nobody has been able to add this information to Prof. Santilli's page because Misplaced Pages remains stubbornly stuck on the defamation campaign fueled years ago by bloggers and stock market profiteers. Misplaced Pages is the loser here. ] (]) 21:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)Tom Yeager] (])
http://business.smdailypress.com/smdailypress/news/read/36960286/Use_of_Santilli_Magnecules_to_Clean_Fossil_Fuel_Combustion
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/TNRG/news/Use-of-Santilli-Magnecules-to-Clean-Fossil-Fuel-Combustion?id=204133
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3941732 <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:50, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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* Another news site reporting the patent is
https://www.oilandgas360.com/use-of-santilli-magnecules-to-clean-fossil-fuel-combustion/ <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:39, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Recommended updates

Editor Dough Weller, I have made the following editing:

1)To prevent discriminations (see, e.g., the article on Sir Roger Penrose https://en.wikipedia.org/Roger_Penrose) I have added the title of "Sir" only once at the very top (for documentation, see the "Honors" in the CV , citations being available in numerous independent sources, such as the website of the international conference in Osaka, Japan https://www.scientificfederation.com/chemical-engineering-catalysis/speakers.php , numerous citations available on request);


2) I have removed the second line "Mainstream scientists dismiss his theories as fringe science." and replaced with "originator of hadronic mechanics and chemistry" because mainstream scientists do not consider "fringe science" a lifelong dedication to the verification of the EPR Argument, and also because the current line is demeaning for the Unites States of America according to countless complaints on record throughout two decades.

3) In the 6th line of Biography I changed "a one man organization, the Institute for Basic Research" into "the Institute for Basic Research " because the "one man" 

claim is grossly disproved by the main page of the IBR i-b-r(dot)org/ that has been listing for years a division in Israel headed by Prof. P. Mandell, a division in Kazakstan headed by Prof. A. K. Aringazin, and a division in Nigeria headed by Prof. A. O. E . Animalu, while
stating from its inception " The Institute Statute does not allow the disclosure of their names, but their work can be identified by searching the various scientific archives under". 
4)  The word "Jewish" physicists etc. has been removed everywhere and replaced with "mainstream orthodox" physicists, etc. because: the word "Jewish" it does not exist in Il Grande Grido; Santilli son in law is Jewish; Santilli is known to have supported several Jewish physicists for their participation to  meeting; and the recent International Teleconference on Einstein's Determinism (http://eprdebates.org/epr-conference-2020.php) has been organized by Santilli in collaboration with the Family of Israel Foundation (http://www.i-b-r.org/translational-medicine.htm); 
5) The entire paragraph starting with  "After an explosion..." because Santilli's lawsuit  against Frank Israel . contains documentation and testimonials that Magnegas stockholders, including myself, had suffered financial losses because of misrepresentations in Misplaced Pages's article on Santilli suitable for shorting the stock. In fact, the bottles that caused the indicated accidents were delivered by Magnegas Distributors and not by the factory that, as such has been removed by any and all liabilities. In any case, the listing in an article dedicated to a scientist of deaths  occurred several years after the scientist left the company is blatantly questionable. 
6) I have added  information on Thunder Energies Corporation, whose documentation is available in the corporate SEC filings (that I cannot list here due to the prohibition to edit the references),  the sale of the public shell  and the transfer of the ownership of all technologies to the private company 
Hadronic Technologies Corporation for possible applications of the main technologies to National Security.

7) I have removed completely the statement starting with "In 2017 an article...." because of the evident loss of credibility by Misplaced Pages treating equivocal internet gossip in an article that is supposed to be eventually dedicated to the proof of the most important prediction by Einstein.

8) I added the section on Honors from the CV as quoted independently by various sources. We believe it is demeaning for Misplaced Pages not to quote honors received by the scientists who spent his research life to prove that Einstein was right.

9) I added in the section "Selected Publications" the main papers presenting Santilli's claimed verifications of the EPR and I relisted, for their understanding, Santilli's "Elements of Hadronic Mechanics" that were removed by the article for reasons damaging Misplaced Pages because, according to the record under History, said volumes were accepted by t he Ukraine Academy of Science following severe reviews by highly qualified scientists, such as t he late Klimik, Sissakian, and others. I also added mathematical, physical and chemical papers published in refereed journals in which Santilli is not an editor, which papers are essential for the understanding of the apparent EPR verifications.

In closing allow me to recommend that the article be completed wiuth a section entitled "Research" since all visitors are expecting news on Santilli's apparent verifications of the EPR argument, while now there is none. I can draft this section, but I would need access to the References. Thank you. Jolli321 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jolli321 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 22 October 2020. NOTE: My above specified editing of Santilli's 'article' was removed by David Epstein in about three minutes following its posting. (UTC)

Can please some more administrative persons who can decide have a look at the above proposed change. I find the page insulting, too, so it should be overworked. Till Meyenburg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:393:31C0:0:0:0:36D9 (talk) 16:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. This page needs an unbiased administrative review in the interest of Misplaced Pages standing and its role of information vehicle. It is now evident that nobody has been and is allowed to make changes or additions in order to make a fair representation of the contributions of Prof, Santilli who, at age 87, keeps working and publishing in peer-reviewed journals such as Ratio Mathematica 1) and Springer Nature Scientific Reports 2) on subjects that, everybody can see, are vital to science and therefore society .The focus of this Misplaced Pages article is on events presented in negative light only that occurred almost 10 years ago. His recent article published by Nature and his work on the EPR argument point out to new horizons that lead to possible solutions to the crisis of our environment. By looking at the editing history the page, it is evident that nobody has been able to add this information to Prof. Santilli's page because Misplaced Pages remains stubbornly stuck on the defamation campaign fueled years ago by bloggers and stock market profiteers. Misplaced Pages is the loser here. 139.55.184.2 (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)Tom Yeager139.55.184.2 (talk)

References

  1. https://eiris.it/ojs/index.php/ratiomathematica/article/view/477
  2. Sci Rep 12 , 20674 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-022-24970-4
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