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I just got word from his brother that Angus passed away early on Friday morning. He had been battling ] for some time. I knew him both on and off Misplaced Pages, and am so sad that he is gone - ] <sup>]</sup> 12:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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: Sad indeed. ]. --] (]) 12:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: - ] <sup>]</sup> 13:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: How sad. RIP, Angus. --] | (]) 17:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: A terrible loss, you will be remembered and missed. Rest in Peace, friend. ] (<small>]</small>) 18:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: Urf. And cancer robs us of another one... ] - ] 18:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: I'm sorry to hear this. I never knew Angus personally, but I've seen him around many times over the years. He will be missed. ] ] 04:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
: Angus was kind and helpful and did a mountain a good work. We will remember him. ] (]) 21:39, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


Really sorry to learn of this. Angus was a bit of a mentor for me when I started editing Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 18:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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: Funeral details - ] <sup>]</sup> 03:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi there, just thought I'd let you know that your talk page should probably be reserved for comments. You might want to move your (rather fine) work on History of Scotland to a subpage, like a ]. Click ] to make one. Thanks, ]&nbsp;<sup>]]]</sup> 10:38, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)


I never knew Angus in real life, but I looked up to him as a Wikipedian. He was always kind and thoughtful. He contributed so much in content and discussion. I wish he were still here. Rest in peace Angus. --] (]) 02:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
== Fortriu ==


* Condolences to the family. ]! -] (]) 05:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Your recent edit regarding Fortriu was a bad edit. Not only has it "recently been argued" it has been effectively proven. You'll have to take my word for it, because you don't know what you are talking about just now; I'd suggest emailing around, or what not. I've reproduced enough of the arguments to make a southern identification absurd. Reinserting Strathearn and Menteith is silly in any case, because even if it did correspond to S. Pictland, it's unlikely to follow the piffle in ]. - ] 16:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
* I just saw this in the Signpost; sad news indeed. Angus was an inspiration to me in my early days editing here, and a fine editor. He will be missed. ] (] - ] - ]) 13:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
* So sad to loose another great Wikipedian. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: '']&nbsp;]'',<small> 23:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC).</small><br />
* Condolences to the family and the en.wiki community. --] (]) 11:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
* Angus was a fine man, a dedicated and insightful Wikipedian. He will be greatly missed. ''']''' <small>(])</small> 23:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
* What a great friend and example Angus was to us with his steady, intelligent editing (very sound in Anglo-Saxon matters), his kindly support and his looked-for seasonal greetings. It is hard and very sad to part with him, but it was a privilege to travel here in his company. ] (]) 15:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)


== '']'' ==
:Clearly I'm being incredibly stupid today. I'd like to blame it on overindulgence but that would be a lie. Biorhythms maybe ? Humble apologies. ] 17:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


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== Dalriada and Pictavia ==
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<center>We will remember your contributions and your service. Thank you. ].
Angus, a whole bunch of Pictish rulers are, in their titles, "of Dalriada". This is pretty spurious. They should all be moved to "of the Picts". Do you wish to help me move these to their proper locations? - ] 18:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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== Precious anniversary ==
:Sure. I can do them all if you like. That's maybe easier. I have plenty time on my hands at the moment. ] 18:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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We'll remember you and your work here! --] (]) 08:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
:Just thought I'd add here, didn't know Angus at all, virtually or otherwise as far as I know, no doubt I have benefitted unknowingly from many of his contributions. Anyway came here as a result of searching through the many Scottish political maps he created on Commons, something I often view and use but have no experience in creating - another area where his input is clearly missed. So just thought I'd weigh in to the recognition of his efforts. My wife had lymphoma, must have been around the same time, a wee sneaky invasive cancer (not that any type is nice). Thankfully she survived. As anyone been awarded the Quaich yet? Seems a shame to create it but not to award it. ] (]) 19:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


== The Quaich ==
:: Cool stuff. You agree that it's spurious, right? One problem you may encounter is that the "of the Picts" titles may be redirects, so you may have to change the names or something. I dunno; keep me posted if you have any problems.


:I can't think of what at the moment, but it would be nice and fitting if we could find some way of honoring / institutionalising his memory in some way, perhaps via one of the WikiProjects most associated with his work (Middle Ages, Scotland, etc). Some sort of Angusmclellan (Memorial) award or barnstar? ] (<small>]</small>) 18:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
:::Agree 100%. Just tried moving Constantine and indeed it doesn't like it as the page already exists as a redirect. That'll be Caustantín of the Picts then. ] 18:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:::: Out of curiosity, why that form (i.e. ''Caustantín'')? Oh yeah, something else is that, despite being destroyed by the Picts, Dalriada is coming first in all these succession boxes. Dunno if that bothers you as me. - ] 19:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


::An excellent idea. I never knew Angus personally, but what limited interaction I had with him on WP was always helpful and extremely positive. How about the "McLellan Quaich" for excellent contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages? Just a thought. --] ] 20:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
:::::It was a toss up between one-t and two-ts. Two-ts appears first in Broun's entry on him in Lynch's companion. Well, the Dalriada stuff is all over the place. It would be a big job fixing it. What I am thinking (I dunno if you're thinking the same, I'm not Michael Howard) is that it might be as well to have a "kings of the Picts and Fortriu" article (and a "kings of Dalriada" one) and stick everything in there. Well, it's an idea anyway. If you think one-t is more correct, then I will change it. Drust of Dalriada has the same issue with a redirect page of the same name. I think that needs a request to move it (either that or I'll copy & paste it, which is not the done thing, but who cares ? I know which is more likely). Most of those "lists of this" and "lists of that" are a complete waste of time.
:::::: LOL. OK. The forms vary anyways, so it doesn't really matter. Fraser has ''Custantín''. You are correct that the Dalriada stuff is all over the place. This is a difficult area, as I'm sure you appreciate, so most editors don't really know how to handle the information; the emerging scholarly consensus that Dalriada was destroyed in the 8th century has not even begun to creep into popular knowledge. Numbering the Pictish kings is in itself problematic. ''Drust'' I think is the Pictish form (and indeed a Pictish name), although I wouldn't want to number him (but this is being done in any case). One of the problems with naming is which kings do you give Gaelic names, and when Pictish names, since it is silly to take Cináed mac Ailpín's reign as a breaking point. I agree, btw, that most of these lists of are more misleading than helpful; but sadly, inevitable on a popular editing platform like wiki. The best we can do is insert long commentaries, which is very time consuming, and they probably wouldn't be read in any case. - ] 20:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


:::The 'McLellan Quaich' sounds great! ] (<small>]</small>) 12:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::: I changed ] to ]; I know you're probably systematizing this in your head, so I hope I didn't screw anything up. If I did, it's easy enough to revert back. It just seemed a little odd to have this Drust in particular as merely Drust of the Picts. - ] 20:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


::::A very sad loss indeed. Angus was knowledgeable, able, kindly and disinclined to get involved in drama - I echo Brianann's comments above and support the 'McLellan Quaich' idea. ] ]] 16:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
:::::::: Shit, I just noticed that the List of Pictish Kings goes from Drest VII to Drust IX (same names, Scottish and Pictish). Is this explainable, or is it a mistake. - ] 20:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


PS Here's a start:
::::::::: Always did. After checking, the prob is that there are two Drest VI's, Drest f. Donnel in the 660s and Drest f. Talorgan in the 720s. I'll fix that later. Now I'm off to watch Life on Mars on BBC1. It reminds me of just how crap the 1970s were. ] 21:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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:::::Deacon's idea is very fitting and Cactus.man's proposal for a ''McLellan Quaich'' coupled with Ben MacDui's design of such an award are ideal. --] | (]) 19:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
You can work on all the pages with the information you have. My sources are probably the most shotty of them all. I've been using bits of information from mixed with stuff from and the links located therein (pretty good site). I generally work on making pages look decent and cleaning up the succession boxes at the bottom (since I created the current succession box format). When I run across good (and historic, if not reliable) information at a website, I often will integrate it in. I also clean up the name field so that the alternate spellings are available in parenthesis. Finally, I try to standardize the dates of reigns so that they do not look like <br><center>"'''Bredei VIII of the Picts''', or '''Bob''', or '''Mike''', king of the ] (r. ]-891]]) and the son of Steve."</center>
Yeah, that is not a nice looking form. I generally standardize it to something like<br>
<center>"'''Bredei VIII''' (]: ''Brude mac Stephen'') was ] of the ] from ] until ]. He was the son and successor of ]."</center>
See the difference?


::::::Thanks to {{yo|Ben MacDui}} for knocking up a prototype award. Can I suggest using the following image instead: ]. I think it's an improvement because it's a cleaner representation of the quality of siversmith work and celtic imagery typically crafted into the handles.
So in regard to your requests, I often forget to source my information. It is from historic sources, that much I can tell you, but expand on it or remove it all you want. Some people have been going through and thrashing my Dalriada pages anyway since apparently there is controvery over if the kingdom ever existed, so I am rather tired of working on stuff that people just erase or remove. Regardless, have fun and I hope you find good infomation. I can try to help if you need it. Cheer!<br>&ndash;] 20:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


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:Thanks ! That was a quick reply (feel free to trash this conversation when done). I believe that the Annals of Ulster and of Tigernach are *usually* the most useful on Scotland, and they seem to have fewer dating problems than the Four Masters (which goes to pot in places, certainly c730, but is fine in others). The Annals of Innisfallen haven't been a goldmine, but the Annals of Clonmacnoise have been handy sometimes, although the fact that they're in the ancient format Cornell and whoever adopted for the Making of America project aeons ago does make them harder to use than text. It must be wonderful to just look up an edited book, like Skene or Anderson, rather than trawling through the online versions.
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::::::] ] 22:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
:There's no controversy over the existence of Dál Riada. There are over its origins, its fate, its connections to Ireland, the value and meaning of the ''Senchus'', the extent to which the Annals present a Cenél nGabráin bias, and more besides. There are good grounds to think that kings have been added and subtracted in the 8th and 9th centuries, but Aedan mac Gabráin and Domnall Brecc were as real as can be. Compared to many other such lists, the list of kings of Dál Riada is a paragon of accuracy of which you should be proud ! ] 20:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


::::::: Brilliant! ] (<small>]</small>) 16:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
== Great Work ==
:::::::{{yo|Cactus.man}} Excellent. ] ]] 18:53, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


Thought I would advance the Quaich a bit so created a template, ], to make its issue a bit easier. It's ] code but modified the colours in line with ]. Any changes needed?--] | (]) 15:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
], I , ], hereby award you '''Epic Barnstar'''. Congratulations! <small>]</small>]]
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Just saw this, after looking at ]. And I think the idea is a nice one. As the image isn't a "barnstar", I added the award to ]. I'll add a link to ]'s template as well. - <b>]</b> 04:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Keep up the good work. - ] 19:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for opening ]. I'm not sure that tag should be there; it's not finished, but it ain't bad quality. BTW, I recommend you read Thomas Clancy's “Scotland, the ‘Nennian’ recension of the Historia Brittonum, and the Lebor Bretnach”, in Simon Taylor (ed.) ''Kings, Clerics and Chronicles in Scotland'', 500-1297, (Dublin/Portland, 2000), pp. 87-107. The article essentially proves that the Lebor Bretnach was written in Scotland, probably at Abernethy. If it's of interest to you, it contains a relatively "un-Gaelicized" Pictish king-list that goes all the way up to the reign of Máel Coluim III. These king lists contain a kind of charter granted by the Pictish king ] to the monastery - it's just an interesting point; it's maybe why the monastery at Abernethy preserved the list. Have a good one. - ] 00:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


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I just got word from his brother that Angus passed away early on Friday morning. He had been battling lymphoma for some time. I knew him both on and off Misplaced Pages, and am so sad that he is gone - Alison 12:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Sad indeed. Look above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
link - Alison 13:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
How sad. RIP, Angus. --Bill Reid | (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
A terrible loss, you will be remembered and missed. Rest in Peace, friend. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Urf. And cancer robs us of another one... Ealdgyth - Talk 18:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear this. I never knew Angus personally, but I've seen him around many times over the years. He will be missed. Kurtis 04:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Angus was kind and helpful and did a mountain a good work. We will remember him. Haukur (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Really sorry to learn of this. Angus was a bit of a mentor for me when I started editing Misplaced Pages. Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Funeral details here - Alison 03:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I never knew Angus in real life, but I looked up to him as a Wikipedian. He was always kind and thoughtful. He contributed so much in content and discussion. I wish he were still here. Rest in peace Angus. --Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

In memoriam

  • "A candle"
  • "Flowers"
  • "The Japanese peace bell at the headquarters of the United Nations"
  • "An eternal flame"
We will remember your contributions and your service. Thank you. Requiescat in pace.
↠Pine (✉) 00:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

We'll remember you and your work here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Just thought I'd add here, didn't know Angus at all, virtually or otherwise as far as I know, no doubt I have benefitted unknowingly from many of his contributions. Anyway came here as a result of searching through the many Scottish political maps he created on Commons, something I often view and use but have no experience in creating - another area where his input is clearly missed. So just thought I'd weigh in to the recognition of his efforts. My wife had lymphoma, must have been around the same time, a wee sneaky invasive cancer (not that any type is nice). Thankfully she survived. As anyone been awarded the Quaich yet? Seems a shame to create it but not to award it. Crowsus (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

The Quaich

I can't think of what at the moment, but it would be nice and fitting if we could find some way of honoring / institutionalising his memory in some way, perhaps via one of the WikiProjects most associated with his work (Middle Ages, Scotland, etc). Some sort of Angusmclellan (Memorial) award or barnstar? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
An excellent idea. I never knew Angus personally, but what limited interaction I had with him on WP was always helpful and extremely positive. How about the "McLellan Quaich" for excellent contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages? Just a thought. --Cactus.man ✍ 20:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
The 'McLellan Quaich' sounds great! Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 12:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
A very sad loss indeed. Angus was knowledgeable, able, kindly and disinclined to get involved in drama - I echo Brianann's comments above and support the 'McLellan Quaich' idea. Ben MacDui 16:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

PS Here's a start:

The McLellan Quaich
Awarded to 'User:xx' for outstanding contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages.
Deacon's idea is very fitting and Cactus.man's proposal for a McLellan Quaich coupled with Ben MacDui's design of such an award are ideal. --Bill Reid | (talk) 19:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks to @Ben MacDui: for knocking up a prototype award. Can I suggest using the following image instead: File: Quaich.jpg. I think it's an improvement because it's a cleaner representation of the quality of siversmith work and celtic imagery typically crafted into the handles.
The McLellan Quaich
Awarded to 'User:xx' for outstanding contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages.
Cactus.man ✍ 22:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Brilliant! Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cactus.man: Excellent. Ben MacDui 18:53, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Thought I would advance the Quaich a bit so created a template, Template:The McLellan Quaich, to make its issue a bit easier. It's Cactus.man's code but modified the colours in line with Misplaced Pages: Talk page templates. Any changes needed?--Bill Reid | (talk) 15:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Just saw this, after looking at Misplaced Pages:Deceased Wikipedians. And I think the idea is a nice one. As the image isn't a "barnstar", I added the award to Misplaced Pages:Personal user awards/Topics. I'll add a link to User:Billreid's template as well. - jc37 04:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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