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== {{tl|globalize}} == == Sad news ==


I just got word from his brother that Angus passed away early on Friday morning. He had been battling ] for some time. I knew him both on and off Misplaced Pages, and am so sad that he is gone - ] <sup>]</sup> 12:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for following up with Closeapple on the ] thing. I haven't heard back from them about it in a while, so I was thinking of just moving the pages without their help. I was actually thinking of asking ] to check my work since I wasn't totally confident I would do it without messing something up (they have a lot of experience with TFD and templates). Or you and I could do it together, or if you would want to go ahead and do it yourself that would be great too. If you do, take a look at , they say there are three templates that have to be moved and some links need to be changed. Anyway, thanks for keeping an eye on this. Peace, ] <small>]</small> 13:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
: Sad indeed. ]. --] (]) 12:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: - ] <sup>]</sup> 13:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: How sad. RIP, Angus. --] | (]) 17:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: A terrible loss, you will be remembered and missed. Rest in Peace, friend. ] (<small>]</small>) 18:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: Urf. And cancer robs us of another one... ] - ] 18:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
: I'm sorry to hear this. I never knew Angus personally, but I've seen him around many times over the years. He will be missed. ] ] 04:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
: Angus was kind and helpful and did a mountain a good work. We will remember him. ] (]) 21:39, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


:I looked yesterday, and it seems to be progressing fine without me. Probably just as well since I'm not sure I'd have been any help. ] ] 09:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC) Really sorry to learn of this. Angus was a bit of a mentor for me when I started editing Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 18:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


: Funeral details - ] <sup>]</sup> 03:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
:: Cool, thanks. It doesn't look like it's been moved yet, but there are a couple others interested in it now. :) Peace, ] <small>]</small> 23:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


I never knew Angus in real life, but I looked up to him as a Wikipedian. He was always kind and thoughtful. He contributed so much in content and discussion. I wish he were still here. Rest in peace Angus. --] (]) 02:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
== The story ==


* Condolences to the family. ]! -] (]) 05:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I've left you everything you should need at ]. I know I'm not so popular in Scotland right now but you know I know my Mumu nearly as well as Cavila. Why not ask me? Anyway, ''lethan'' means ''broad'' or ''wide'', but according to Meyer the first element may originally have been ''Mun'', or ''neck'', not ''crown''. ] I should return to after creating so long ago. ] (]) 01:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
* I just saw this in the Signpost; sad news indeed. Angus was an inspiration to me in my early days editing here, and a fine editor. He will be missed. ] (] - ] - ]) 13:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
* So sad to loose another great Wikipedian. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: '']&nbsp;]'',<small> 23:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC).</small><br />
* Condolences to the family and the en.wiki community. --] (]) 11:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
* Angus was a fine man, a dedicated and insightful Wikipedian. He will be greatly missed. ''']''' <small>(])</small> 23:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
* What a great friend and example Angus was to us with his steady, intelligent editing (very sound in Anglo-Saxon matters), his kindly support and his looked-for seasonal greetings. It is hard and very sad to part with him, but it was a privilege to travel here in his company. ] (]) 15:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)


== '']'' ==
:Different story. ]. ] (]) 22:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


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<center>We will remember your contributions and your service. Thank you. ].
As a busy person with a life, it's hard to sit and check Misplaced Pages every five minutes to await breathlessly to see if I was able to post a picture of my friend or not. My other friend being the photographer who provided the photo. This is ridiculous. I can't be this much of a nerd to even try to figure all of this out, so please advise - I have the email address for the photographer to write in permission to grant me the almighty privilege of using this precious photo, but now that it's deleted, how is this going to work now??? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Precious anniversary ==
:I've undeleted ] for now. As far as getting permission goes, please look at ]. There's an example there of a draft letter that you might use that covers all the legal schtick. If there are any hiccups - such as the image being deleted again before you finish getting a reply - let me know. It takes two seconds to undelete it. ] ] 17:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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We'll remember you and your work here! --] (]) 08:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
:Just thought I'd add here, didn't know Angus at all, virtually or otherwise as far as I know, no doubt I have benefitted unknowingly from many of his contributions. Anyway came here as a result of searching through the many Scottish political maps he created on Commons, something I often view and use but have no experience in creating - another area where his input is clearly missed. So just thought I'd weigh in to the recognition of his efforts. My wife had lymphoma, must have been around the same time, a wee sneaky invasive cancer (not that any type is nice). Thankfully she survived. As anyone been awarded the Quaich yet? Seems a shame to create it but not to award it. ] (]) 19:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


== The Quaich ==
::Great - thanks Angus, the photographer will email as soon as possible. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:I can't think of what at the moment, but it would be nice and fitting if we could find some way of honoring / institutionalising his memory in some way, perhaps via one of the WikiProjects most associated with his work (Middle Ages, Scotland, etc). Some sort of Angusmclellan (Memorial) award or barnstar? ] (<small>]</small>) 18:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
==]==
I moved your new article on top of the existing one. If you update an article like this you should just edit the one that's there rather than creating a whole new one. Just use cut and paste. Make sense? ] ] 23:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


::An excellent idea. I never knew Angus personally, but what limited interaction I had with him on WP was always helpful and extremely positive. How about the "McLellan Quaich" for excellent contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages? Just a thought. --] ] 20:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks for your comment and for doing this, merging the page histories together, it looks great. As a new Wiki contributor I am learning the procedures. My dilemma was that the existing page only had 3 lines of text so I was basically creating a complete new page for the artist. I decided to use my user page to get it into shape first. When I was ready to move, it would not allow me to overwrite the existing name without setting up A Request To Move. Reading the procedure message I read '''''do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it'''; the page history must be moved along with the article text''.... So I decided to give it a new name and ask for the other page to be promptly removed.
You mention '''cut and paste''' rather than copy and paste. Is that a way that the creation history would be moved leaving me to use my user draft as a fresh page. I am unclear about how to do this I would be very grateful if you could explain and advise with this matter and point me in the right direction. Kind Regards
] (]) 09:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


:::The 'McLellan Quaich' sounds great! ] (<small>]</small>) 12:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
== Occupation of this and that (and some Albanian territory) ==


::::A very sad loss indeed. Angus was knowledgeable, able, kindly and disinclined to get involved in drama - I echo Brianann's comments above and support the 'McLellan Quaich' idea. ] ]] 16:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Before you do a final decision on what to do with ] I suggest you ask ] if this is what he was really asking for. I found his AN/I request highly surprising, and I cannot at present see any way this is going to lead to his favored solution – unless we issue a categorical ban on the use of the word "occupation" on Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 01:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


PS Here's a start:
=== Ethnic and religious conflicts noticeboard ===
{| style="border: 1px solid black; background-color: #fdffe7;"
It seems that I have been giving all the wrong answers yesterday. In fact, my authority in closing the move discussion does not come from ] as the argumentation on AN/I implied, but from the ]. What you have done is overturned a decision taken and recorded on another administrators' noticeboard. I do not think you should have done that. I have posted the following on AN/I to clarify the issue.
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{{Cquote|
==== Role of the ECCN noticeboard? ====

This issue is already discussed on another administrators' noticeboard, the ].
Opening a new thread here may not have been appropriate, overruling the other board even less wise. It is as if suddenly the wise men here have seen themselves wise enough to solve the problems of the Balkans. Well, emperors tired and failed.

Most important, the discussion and actions here seriously undermine the status and usability of the ECCN board.

It is my belief, that consensus on the ECCN board allows me to take bold or even drastic action. After all the ECCN board is an administrators' noticeboard and equal in status to this one. It is not a place for idle chat. As you can ] on the noticeboard, I have recorded my action there. It has already been put under the widest possible scrutiny. As it has not been contested, I feel it has the support of the community.

It is not my fault that the discussions on ECCN attract so little participation. I would welcome a situation where the board was streaming with bold administrators with the skills and understanding to leap into any hot dispute.

To add any weight to the ECCN noticeboard we should have something like the following recorded somewhere as a policy or ruling.
{{Cquote|Actions taken and recorded on the ] noticeboard should not be undone without a discussion on that board.}}
}}
-- ] (]) 10:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
==]==
Hai Alen
: I dont think there is a requirement of OTRS, as its listed as CCA-3 --] (]) 19:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

::There is since the uploader isn't the photographer. There should be OTRS tickets for all of the PETA stuff (or even just one ticket to cover the lot). I suppose I could check with SV, she's sure to know. ] ] 22:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hi there. This seems to have been an oversight. The image is duplicated on commons where I have added the related ticket number . It's a very appropriate shot of him - ] ] 23:34, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Uniforms... ==

I don't think it's the ], hmmm... try asking at ] and ]. --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 22:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Clearly, my took a long time to write (from before the in-closing-process template), and was then saved without edit conflict. So no enforcing upon your task is intended, and I still think it is relevant. -] (]) 10:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

:I'll have a look. ] ] 10:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

:I took the debates as to possible vote canvassing to be as relevant as the insinuations as to conspiracy, which is to say not very relevant at all. ] ] 12:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear Angusmclellan, I need to know your opinion on the case, which seems to be very close to that of the Holocaust picture. It seems to me that J Milburn's and Hammersoft's problems with implementation of the NFCC policy are more general. Another possibility is that I am not right in this situation. Can you please have a look that this and give me your opinion?
Thank you in advance, --] (]) 19:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

:My view is that the image of Soviet soldiers raising the Red Banner over the Reichstag is as historic an image as the Marines raising the Stars and Stripes over Iwo Jima. So it should be treated in the same way, which means either as ]-equivalent or a lengthy section in some other article on the history and significance of the event. Since, having just now check, that is how we treat it now I don't see a problem with excluding the image from other articles where it would merely be decorative, just as we do with the historic Iwo Jima image. Hope this makes sense, ] ] 20:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. Let me point out, however, at few facts that make this analogy not correct.
::# Free photos of the American soldiers and of the US flag on the Mount Suribashi are available, whereas analogous photos for the Reichtag are not.
::# Free photos of Eastern front ''in general'' are not available as a rule, because all works of Soviet photographers are copyrighted now.
::# Iwo Jima was not the focal point of the Battle of Pacific, whereas the Reichstag was the primary and ultimate military target since 1943.
::# Iwo Jima did not mark the end of WWII in Pacific, whereas the red flag on the Reichstag heralded the end of organised German military resistance in Europe.
::All these arguments have already been presented on the talk page, however, I understand that you have no opportunity to read all of that.--] (]) 20:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
::PS. The Rosenthal's photo has been removed from the Iwo Jima article ''during'' the discussion about the Reichstag photo, and because I pointed at this image as an example of a non-free image in the infobox. I did not oppose to this removal because other photos of the US flag on Mount Suribachi were available.--] (]) 20:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
::*@Paul: Factually incorrect. You started this most recent discussion regarding the suitability of the Soviet flag over the Reichstag on September 12. The Rosenthal images was not on the Battle of Iwo Jima article at that point, nor at any other point during the recent discussion. Further, if you believe I have a problem with NFCC policy in general, I invite you to make a report at ]. @Angus: thanks for your input. I think further discussion on this subject should be taken to ]. --] (]) 21:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I referred to our earlier dispute that, probably, took place without your participation. Look in the archive there .--] (]) 21:10, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Thank you, Angus.--] (]) 18:46, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::You're welcome. Unlikely to be much help! ] ] 18:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::To be perfectly honest, I have a feeling that there is some fundamental flaw in the way NFCC are being implemented for historical images's case. Let's consider the Holocaust picture as an example. What is a Yad Vashem's goal? To educate people about the Holocaust and to show the photos from their archive to as many people as possible. That is why these photos are available online. The second goal is to prevent unauthorised commercial usage of these photos (which is impossible due to copyright and which theoretically can happen had these photos been placed in PD). Would placement of this photograph in the Holocaust article infringe Yad Vashem's rights or contradict to its goals? Obviously, no. Moreover, I would say, it would be correct to make all Holocaust or WWII images copyrighted to prevent any possibility of their use for, e.g. commercial advertisement, etc (which would be really unacceptable). Therefore, excluding such images from Misplaced Pages under absolutely artificial pretext serves absolutely no positive goals and decrease the articles' quality for absolutely abstract reasons. --] (]) 19:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::*Paul, it might be useful for you to read ]. Misplaced Pages aims for Libre, not Gratis. If Yad Vashem retains rights to a given work, but wants it distributed widely, they might grant permission to Misplaced Pages to use it here. That would be a gratis use. It furthers their goals, and it might seem to you to be ok; we're educating, right? It's not ok. In fact, permission to use on Misplaced Pages is a speedy deletion criteria. See ]. --] (]) 19:44, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks. In my mother tongue two different words are used for these two concepts, so this essay is hardly useful for me. Regarding speedy deletion, that what always puzzled me. AP granted ''explicit'' permission to WP to used the Rosenthal's Iwo Jima photo. However, that did not prevented its removal from the Iwo Jima article. I have absolutely no idea what is the reason of that...--] (]) 20:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::::PS I started to think that logical inconsistencies and counter-intuitivenell of NFCC serve as and additional proof of NFCC's validity for you.--] (]) 20:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It is our choice that "permission to use on Misplaced Pages" is a speedy deletion criteria and not something that is mandated by the EDP or by any of our founding principles. Given that we do use non-free content, there is no fundamental reason why '''we''' could not, if we wished, freely use content which is not entirely free-as-in-freedom. ] ] 20:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
{{od}} (Angus, if you rather this didn't take place on your talk page just say so) @Paul: The reason is simple. I pointed you to the Gratis vs. Libre article because it is a fundamental concept that needs to be understood to understand our NFCC policy here. If we didn't make a distinction between Gratis and Libre, we could just follow U.S. Fair Use law and be done with it. Libre, which we follow, means anyone can use our content for whatever purpose they want to use it, including SELLING it. AP would never consent to the Rosenthal image being used in that manner. Therefore, we treat it as non-free and limit its usage within the project to as little as necessary, so as to maintain our focus on our libre goal. Yes Angus, it is our choice. It's a fantastic one. --] (]) 00:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:Re Gratis vs. Libre. Yes, I perfectly understand that. However, I do not think the opportunity to sell something that has been made based on the Holocaust or WWII images is a good idea. I would say the opposite: if all this buzz is about an opportunity for some businessmen to make money on the pictures of that kind, then I definitely oppose to that. IMO, it is probably even better that these images are not in PD, because that (i) makes possible to use them in WP under fair use terms and (ii) makes impossible to make money on them. Let me repeat it: it is ''very'' good that some of the best history images cannot be re-sold, and it is very ''bad'' that someone tries to remove these images from WP under that pretext.
:<s>Re "''therefore, we treat it as non-free and limit its usage within the project to as little as necessary''" What does "we" mean? As I already pointed out, I am little bit disappointed by your tendency to speak on behalf of the Foundation. You hardly are in the position to make such claims. Speak for yourself, please. Remember that even to act as if you are an owner of a ] is highly inappropriate, whereas you behave as if you privatised WP as whole. That equally valid for some of your colleagues (e.g. J Millburn).</s>
:And finally, if the process initiated by you and J Millburn will develop in the same direction further, Misplaced Pages will become significantly nationally biased, which will severely undermine one of key WP principles. And I will have to go to appropriate noticeboard to stop that.--] (]) 02:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:*And I'm disappointed at your apparent tendency (as well as Paul's with respect to J Milburn) to presume that I think I speak for the Foundation. I don't. ANY time I speak of 'we' I speak of the people who make up this project. I speak from experience, exposure to many debates on the subject, and being well versed in our guidelines and policies. Frankly, I'm astonished that you of all people would try to tear apart my argument by attacking me (in supposedly speaking for the Foundation, which has NOTHING to do with my argument) rather than dispute what I've said. We're done here. --] (]) 02:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
::I am glad I was wrong. However, the fact that you belong to some project does not automatically mean you are eligible to educate others. I am a member of the Fact and Reference check project, however I don't think I am entitled to teach peoples how concretely the facts should be presented based solely on my membership. And I ''always'' speak for myself only. If you have more experience, please show that by providing strong arguments. By contrast, your arguments are not too convincing so far.
::By no means I wanted to tear apart your arguments, I just noted that the way you conduct the discussion is somewhat misleading. If you are not comfortable with my previous post, please disregard the penultimate para. However, my other concerns have no relation to that, and I am still waiting for your answer.--] (]) 03:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 27#Category:Public domain films ==

{{Talkback|84user|Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 27#Category:Public domain films|ts=17:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)}} <small>I also left a back-link at ]. -] (]) 17:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)</small>

== Hopeful ==

Hi Angus. I have sent you an email hoping for two sources I don't have! ] (]) 23:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

:The Woolf stuff is no problem. I'll get that sent tomorrow. You have Downham I think. How about Hudson's ''Viking Pirates''?
:For Peritia, the Deacon might be able to help you. Glasgow city libraries don't have a copy and I never got round to trying to blag a card for the university library yet. There is probably a copy in the National Library of Scotland, but I'm not in Edinburgh much any more. You could try asking the folks at ]. If you have no luck there, let me know and I'll be in Edinburgh sometime next month and can check it out. ] ] 23:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

::The resource exchange looks promising and I will try them... once I've gone through and checked to see if there is anything else from Peritia I can't live without! There may be one or two more so it makes sense for me to add them to the request. I didn't know about this so thank you very much. If I have no luck I'll just buy the article.

::Hudson I don't have but a great deal can be previewed, and he is also extensively cited in Misplaced Pages and occasionally by Downham.

::I look forward to seeing what Woolf has written. It's a shame he isn't writing more about Ireland. ] (]) 16:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

:::I've got to add that Hudson doesn't seem to have gotten the best reviews and much of his ''Viking Pirates'' looks like it has been thrown out. His Haraldssons appear to be mostly his imagination. Then he also makes some pretty surprising errors like calling Maccus (mac Arailt) ''Magnus'' when everybody knows that is wrong. So obviously he has some comprehension problems and other issues. I don't trust his scholarship.

:::I do generally trust Downham but her grasp of Norse Limerick and Munster is a little weak. On p. 54 she calls Máel Muad mac Brain just 'the son of Bran' and on the next page makes a reference to Limerick and Uí Fidgenti's (combined) "forces" without mentioning Donnubán, while the AFM actually do. So she doesn't make an error but it's not all said quite right. Earlier on p. 41 she gets closer to making a real error because the Annals of Clonmacnoise do not actually say what she is citing them for, if you look at my work on ]. And the AFM make no mention of a "decisive victory" (=battle), so she's still stuck in the 920s and thinking of Tomrair mac Ailchi beating Gofraid. We all love our Clare Downham (she's cute too) but she's not perfect. ] (]) 19:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I've finally made that request. Six articles total from that journal. ] (]) 18:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

==Bad template==
I fixed some of your edits that were to images uploaded by ] but you may have done some others, so you might want to check out similar recent edits. Cheers. ] (]) 14:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks. ] ] 14:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

== photo ==

Hi, to be honest I am very confused by the choices for the photo I have uploaded. It is an official promotional photo of Julie that has come from her speaker biography, provided by her colleagues at Ariadne Capital (her company). The license allows it to be used anywhere. Perhaps you could help me (in simple language) how I can link this to her page and change/ammend the license status I have given it when I uploaded it.
thanks ] (]) 15:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

==file==

I uploaded it properly and recognised the source. It was a file I can use. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


==Alyona Azernaya's paintings==
Thanks for your advices.
This paintings are with me, so I though, I could take photos without any problem. Of course, she is ok for publishing this photos.
Is it possible that these photos remain in place (or in a non public place on wikipedia) in order she can give her authorization for each file.
I can ask her to give me explicit authorisation for each file (with their name).
Where can I find the exact text she has to sign.
Thank you for your help
] (]) 11:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
:I've fixed the last grammatical mistakes in the article (or I hope so, but was helped by my English teacher). Could you have a look and remove the 2 (?!) shameful 'cleanup' tag. Thank you
:No news about pictures permissions. See you later ] (]) 18:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==]==
You think that someone can reproduce this ? I'm sure you'll want to give it a crack yourself. FWiW, check out the use of the image in the article. ] (]) 02:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC) Further, where do I make the case for its retention? ] (]) 02:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC) When does this
end? The extension of the deletion notice does alter the graphic layout of the drawing, and if the drawing is being removed, then the layout needs to be adjusted. FWiW ] (]) 15:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC).

==Photopermissions==
Thanks. I have already sought the copyright holder's permission for Colin Larkin image and forwarded this to wikipermissions. Am awaiting a ticket from them. Pamela Gardiner (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)] (]) 17:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Would you reconsider your decision for this? My nomination didn't have to do with FOP, it had to do with lack of dating. The author died 62 years ago, so it's not public domain in Norway (despite the website's proclamation in the affirmative), and we don't know the publication date, so we can't say PD-US-1923-abroad either. ] (]) 05:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Please. Thanks. ] (]) 07:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, missed this. I think I should, yes. Will do that today. ] ] 10:14, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== File:Infrasofttech.PNG ==

Hi, I saw you deleted File:Infrasofttechlogo.PNG because of same type of file is available ie File:Infrasofttech.PNG. but the problem with current file is, its licences is invalid, user claims as own work, where its logo. please leave a talkback. <span style="text-shadow:#007FAA 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml"> ]''' </span><b><sup>]</sup></b> 05:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==File:Fw189 1.jpg==
Hi Angus, the image wasn't mine nor the claim of public domain that was made by another editor as it comes from his own source? I tried to find a colour image but the image does not seem to want to do anything other than showing a black and white preview. FWiW, have you checked the progress of the article; it's come a long way since the revision started last week. ] (]) 16:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC).

==Case==
Thank you for your consideration... ] ]&nbsp;] 04:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for deleting ]. There are several other pages to which speedy deletion would apply. Please see my contributions for the other pages I tagged for deletion per the consensus reached at ]. Thanks, ] (]) 07:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:The direct links to the pages are , where {{user|Skier Dude}} cleaned up the MfDs I created after I asked him for help at ]. ] (]) 07:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Arseny Zverev.jpg==
How can if fail when it is not replaceable, the guy died in 1969 and no free images have been published me him. --] (]) 07:47, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Thats your meaning, but is common to show images of politicans when missing photoes. Thats why their is a section in the ''copyright'' field which says ''historical'' image. An image of Zverev is an historial image of a person, it is non replacable. Second, many people would like to see the face of a person they read about, just as they'd like to see the face of an actor they read about. Its nor real difference. --] (]) 08:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

hi angus, was just wondering what your reasoning for declining the speedy deletion of this article was. not that i care about the article, just so i can avoid giving out frivolous "db-test" tags in the future. cheers ] (]) 14:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

:So far as places are concerned, we don't speedily delete articles about those unless they are obviously made up.
:Especially in places outside of the anglosphere, the word "village" can cover some pretty big places. I've seen mentions of villages in India or Pakistan with tens of thousands of people, same in China. So these kinds of articles usually get fixed up, or maybe merged into or redirect to the nearest bigger place (in the case of Elambalur, that would be ]).
:AfD has deleted some place articles, but usually that's because the author went mad with a map and wrote an article which was really about a farm or something. For example, ]. But even abandoned places can be notable. There are whole slews of books about ]s. Nobody has lived in ] for around 500 years or so, but there are plenty of sources on it.
:Short version would be to tag anything you think is made up for deletion and to put fix-up tags on anything that seems to exist. Hope this helps, ] ] 15:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::thanks for the info. ] (]) 15:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

==Untitled==
I have permission to use those images. Please stop tagging them to be deleted and let me get on with my work. Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== ] gravestone ==

I don't know much about image policies. I found it on a web site and thought it qualified for fair use. To tell the truth, I live near the cemetery and could snap a photo of it myself, but I don't know how to take it from the camera and upload it to Misplaced Pages. ~<strong>''''']'' <sup>(]/]/])</sup>'''</span></strong>~ 22:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well I might just try that soon. But in the meantime, is the pic appropriate for the article? Is it fair use? ~<strong>''''']'' <sup>(]/]/])</sup>'''</span></strong>~ 23:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Nice ==

Hello. I just wanted to talk with you about your post ]. It was very good and interesting, so i wanted to ask you to explain me a bit more your attitude, as it sound good and useful. If that is not to much of a problem to you? Sorry for bothering, thanks in advance. :) --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]<sup>]</sup></span> 17:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

:So far as the lead is concerned, I left a comment at the talk page. Arguing over the lead is usually a waste of time. Any peer reviewer, good article reviewer or featured article review will want it made longer, made shorter, this added, that removed, or the whole thing rewritten from scratch anyway.
:It is easier, to start with, not to argue about whether printed sources are reliable (and in any case sources are never ''reliable'', they are only ever ''reliable for'' one thing or another thing; De Lillio is presumably reliable for some things and less so for others). Add whatever you can find. From history books about C14th Serbia and the Ottoman Conquests, to books about the Serbian (and Albanian) poems and stories, to modern studies which consider Miloš Obilić in the context of Slobo's regime. All of these things are important, and are already mentioned. But presumably all could be expanded. Why was Miloš Obilić an important figure? If Serbian historians and literary critics are anything like Scottish ones, they will have been fascinated by that kind of question. And there are other things to be added, because "in popular culture" type stuff is important for a national hero: what films are there ('']'' was the only one I could find but is it the only one?), famous novels, TV programmes or series, well-known paintings, statues, even comic books, and anything else that you can find. If you can find academics comparing Miloš Obilić with other national heroes elsewhere, that's great too. Professors like that sort of thing, so presumably someone did it already. Once you have a big heap of stuff, then you can worry about editing it into shape, removing things which are trivial, and how to deal with historians and other academics disagreeing about almost everything (as they nearly always do when it comes to history and related subjects). ] ] 00:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks you so much. I would use your wise words from time to time! Can i ask your advice when i am in some dilemma? That would mean a lot to me. As you may know, it is hard to edit Balkan related articles in neutral tone, and i am trying to be best as possible. I will follow you words. --<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]<sup>]</sup></span> 13:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi Angus,

I'm currently in the process of improving article stubs relating to villages and settlements in ]. I came across an article redirect from ] to ] that you made a couple of years ago. I've reverted the redirect, I hope you don't mind. Cheers, ] (]) 10:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

:No problem with that. Looks good! ] ] 12:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Could you please undelete this image? We have received OTRS permission for it which I can add as soon as it is restored. Also, if there is a deleted file from the same uploader which matches the one found at http://www.fortressoffreedom.com/Fortress_September_2010.jpg, it looks like we have permission for that one too. ] (]) 14:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:Undeleted. The only other deleted image is a picture of ], which you can see at ]. If there's no permission for that, let me know and I'll delete it again. ] ] 14:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks, I've tagged them both with permission. I had seen the email regarding a picture of Maurice Ali yesterday but they didn't mention the correct filename so I couldn't find it. Cheers! ] (]) 15:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Ha ha ==

See my talkpage - As If! Proverbs XII.23.] (]) 21:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

:Oh dear. ] ] 22:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

==OK==

Okay I've uploaded my own image. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Etchingham ==

Check your email. ] (]) 05:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:Halloo! Hallay! Oh frabjous day!
:Thanks very much, ] ] 09:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== File:PRCmap-senkakuislands.jpg ==

Hi, I was wondering if you could respond to my comment, replying to your comment on the deletion page. Thanks, ] (]) 22:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Have left another comment, I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. Maybe you're watching the discussion now anyway! ] (]) 23:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks for letting me know. ==

--] (]) 18:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== Reliable sources ==

My bad, I should've read the article better, but I had so much to do that I neglected it. I could never assume that someone would actually add false informations to such a site. People won't lie on purpose. ] (]) 14:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Don't bother, it's corrected now, by me, who made the mistake. ] (]) 14:13, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Can you change something for me? ==

can you change the licence of http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Blackberry_torch.png to "Promotional Meterial]]? Thanks!

PS:
({{Non-free use rationale
|Article = BlackBerry Torch 9800
|Description = An image of the BlackBerry Torch 9800 |Source = http://www.mobiletor.com/2010/09/03/blackberry-torch-9800-retailing-with-bell-from-september-24/
|Portion = Semi-Full (no Bell Logo, screen blanked)
|Low_resolution = Yes
|Purpose = To demonstrate the BlackBerry Torch |Replaceability = When someone uploads an image of the Blackberry Torch that they took and licensed freely.
|other_information = Fair Use Rationale: Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for fair use for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use. This form of fair use is educational because Misplaced Pages's propose is to educate people. The image's propose is to educate people about how the BlackBerry Torch looks. }})
Can you add that to the File Description page please? Thanks! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Have done that, but then the question would be "Why do we need a non-free image to show what this looks like when and someone could take a free picture?" This seems to be replaceable fair use: see {{tl|Di-replaceable fair use}}. ] ] 17:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==Nihon Odai Ichiran==
Please help me understand how to parse the relevant issues affecting similar images:
* ] -- recently edited by you
* ] -- not yet noticed anyone
Both images stand on the same footing. A friend stumbled across both in an e-Bay context; and I uploaded them to Misplaced Pages. This important book was published in 1834 in France. If this date is the determining factor, they would each fall in the category of ]. If the 21st century date of digitization is considered as the more relevant factor, then permission was neither sought nor granted; and therefore, both images were properly uploaded as ].<p>If I have misunderstood, please help clarify why one or the other of these two choices is better or more defensible. <p>I have wondered about this for some time. --] (]) 20:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==Copyright status==
Hi. You've made a couple of comments at PuF lately that lead me to believe you might have skillz with copyright status of "old" material. Mine are lacking in this area. :) I've gotten better at it, but my work off-Misplaced Pages has never involved nebulous gray areas like this one.

The nutshell: a contributor at my talk page is seeking input on the copyright status of . It is posted at of the National Archives and Records Administration. Per , "Generally, materials produced by Federal agencies are in the public domain and may be reproduced without permission. However, not all materials appearing on this web site are in the public domain. Some materials have been donated or obtained from individuals or organizations and may be subject to restrictions on use.... You may consult our reference staff for details on specific items. We are aware of donor restrictions applicable to our collections, but we can not confirm copyright status for any item. We recommend that you contact the United States Copyright Office at The Library of Congress to search currently copyrighted materials." In other words, we can ask them, but they won't confirm copyright status. Do you know any way I can help her determine if this content is free? I don't see any indication when it was originally ''published'', even though the origin date is indisputable.

I had asked ] on the 12th, but he has evidently not had occasion to reply, so I'm looking elsewhere for clues. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:03, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:I'm not a real expert, so I'd suggest getting more than one opinion here. No-one can reasonably suppose that Mrs Bradley (or indeed anyone else) registered a copyright for a telegram, and there is clearly no "notice" attached, so this "work" did not meet the formalities which were required by US copyright law in 1955 and would be {{tl|PD-US-no notice}}. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof would lie with anyone who claimed to believe that this telegram was copyrighted. ] ] 12:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks much. :) I'll do as you suggest and seek other opinions and, presuming agreement, let her know the way the wind is blowing. :) --] <sup>]</sup> 13:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I concur with Angus' analysis: PD-US-no notice. ] (]) 22:17, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed - this is one of those times the nature of US copyright law has left us with free content. While it is possible that copyright was registered, it is vastly improbable. - ] ] 10:06, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Thanks to all three of you. By contrast, ] and ] both say it is not PD. :/ At ], John says, "{{tl|PD-US-no-notice}} does not apply unless the document was legally published before 1978 without notice; I doubt this was legally published - public display is not legal publishing." At ], Physchim says "Absolutely agree with John on this one: no way is that telegram PD." Sigh. I ''really'' like straightforward situations. I suppose I'll notify Moni of the dissension. --] <sup>]</sup> 10:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

::::We have an article on ]. It seems to me that sending a telegram to the White House would fit the definition, being "... display ... at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered", but IANAL. ] ] 11:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Pardon me for jumping in; I noticed this conversation and I wonder if the telegram has been published in a book or newspaper. It seems quite likely to have been picked up by a newspaper, at least, at around that time, though I don't know how that would affect the copyright status. ] ] 12:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's not my talk page, but as far as I'm concerned, you're welcome to jump in. ;) The more the merrier, and especially because that sounds plausible. I can suggest Moni look for that. Certainly, it would be helpful in nailing down the question if it could be established to everyone's satisfaction that it has in fact been published. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I have the books related to the Till case and none of them show the telegram. It's not so huge a deal it's worth my contacting family members. I simply thought if a telegram sent to the White House could be used, it would be a good image. I'm skeptical that a telegram sent to Eisenhower is not free to use. All public correspondence to the White House is a matter of public record. But again, it's not worth my getting into for this image. Adding it would be icing. Such is Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 16:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== Jimmy Corkhill ==

The two images were taken some years apart and illustrate the character at different periods in the soap.] (])

== King of Mumhain ==

]. You know the southern half of Ireland too so I would love your insight and opinions. See also ]. Thanks! ] (]) 23:02, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

==Duke of Atholl==
The article as it is now is hopeless to read or understand. I suggest the split is restored. Could explain what problems there would be with the links to the article? ] (]) 13:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didn't notice your message at my talk page. I will continue the discussion there. ] (]) 13:54, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

All I was asking was whether there was a reason not to do what I did. ] accused me of something I didn't do. I think what I did would be most helpful, but if you can give a clear explanation of what a better choice would be, I'd like to hear it.‎]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' 21:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::It still doesn't make sense to me.]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' 21:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::But whop and ] are not the same thing.]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' 21:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Leaving for the weekend. We'll figure it out.]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' 21:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

==Saint Patapios==
About ''Saint Patapios'' article
I admit to say that I had trouble to upload photos to Saint Patapios article. The image of St (which I drew myself), was uploaded in a huge size and covers the entire article. I find no option to reduce the size. I hope you help me in this matter.

I uploaded easy the photo with the visit of Archbishop Christodoulos in the monastery (the photo I took myself) and the photo Monastery of St. Patapios Loutraki, that I also took by myself.

In conclusion, uploading photos in this article was difficult. I hope not to get confused by the fact that in order to fill out the details of each photo I up loaded it 4 to 5 times each! I hope also not to get confused by the fact that I have downloaded the Greek version (article ''Αγιος Πατάπιος'') with the same pictures, and again I had a lot of trouble to upload. ] (]) 13:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Sorry for the Papa Gates on.jpg ==

I'm sorry for that, I'll use another picture that is really him. once again I'm sorry <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:41, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


About the images I drawed on the articles ''Saint Patapios'' and ''Porphyrios Bairaktaris''
I had trouble to upload the images to ''Saint Patapios'' and also to ''Porphyrios Bairakatris'' articles. The image of St Patapios and also the image of Porphyrios(which I drew both myself), were uploaded in a huge size and cover the entire article. I find no option to reduce the size. I hope you help me in this matter.Thanks. ] (]) 13:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


About the article ''Porphyrios Bairaktaris''
To my mind the name of the article ''Porphyrios Bairaktaris'' should absolutelly change to ''Father Porphyrios'' or ''Monk Porphyrios'' or ''Elder Porphyrios'', because actually he was a very famous Greek monk, that did many miracles and today many consider that he should be nominated as a saint. However, his whole name on the article dosesn't seem to refer to him as a monk but as a citizen! ] (]) 13:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Old Auburn Ad ==

I just heard back from the Flickr guy, and he's confirmed that the advt. didn't have a copyright notice:

:"This definitely does not have a copyright notice. It's printed on a 1 cent postal card and almost surely was printed just for this long-gone S.F. dealership, not the Auburn factory. I recently acquired this card from another collector and I've never seen another like it. It's postmarked Jul 2, 1935. "

So I'll change the license, and that potential problem goes away.

Thanks for pointing out the problem & the solution. Best regards, ] (]) 02:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

==Whop==
Can you tell me why you think ] should redirect to ] rather than ]? thanks. --] ] 21:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Cancel that. I've read ;) --] ] 21:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

==Hi==
Hi Angus. Yes you're right of course. I've put a speedy delete tag on the image. Cheers. ]&nbsp;] 10:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Could you please undelete this image? We have received OTRS permission for it which I can add as soon as it is restored. ] (]) 13:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

:Done. Apologies for the delay. ] ] 18:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

::No worries. Thanks for that. ] (]) 19:37, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

I noted you issued a warning to this user on he 21st... I've just reffered 2 of thier subsquent uploads to PUI.
Perhaps you could check to see I am being reasonable?
] (]) 20:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

Did you think to check that this image was in use (and FURed) on ] before deleting it? ] (]) 21:49, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
: But clearly you ''have'' just seen fit to remove reference to it from the ] article, after I pointed this out, and after you'd already deleted it on a basis that would only apply if it wasn't in use outside ]. 8-( ] (]) 22:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

::The image wasn't deleted because it was orphaned, but because it was discussed at FFD. I removed it from the GdH Senior article, I don't recall seeing a link for the HP article although it was certainly in use there. My apologies for not clearing up. Two editors commented in the discussion after you added the reply to the anon and neither mentioned keeping it for use the the HP article. As an aside: as a picture to show Handley-Page, the image is replaceable (NFCC #1). There is a bust of the man on display in the Royal Aeronautical Society (according to the Oxford DNB). ] ] 22:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

::: Personally I think it was justified as part of the adoption of the Handley Page leading edge slot outside of Handley Page, and the personal collaboration between the two of them that was part of this. However that's subject knowledge (that worst of all wikicrimes), isn't clear in the article, and I've no practical hope of getting it into the article in any useful timeframe. So, fair enough.
::: However for HP, we don't have another image. I admit I'm unclear as to the meaning of "replaceable" here. I ''might'' acquire a usable photo tomorrow, it's clearly implausible to claim that such a photo cannot already exist somewhere and cannot make its way into the project in the future. Yet we would never claim such things would make other n-f photos "replaceable" today, as they ''might'' happen tomorrow. As to the bust, then that would be a photo of a bust, not of a person. Besides which, what about the rights issue in photographing sculpture. I'm in the UK, so I don't have much time for fair-use anyway (Just an excuse for Americans to steal my content, IMHE). As fair-use is such a US concept, it seems strange to exclude its applicability on the grounds that ''a sculpture'' could be photographed instead, something that has its own problems under the same jurisdiction's rules for photography of 3d art. ] (]) 22:31, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Replaceable doesn't mean right now, as you know. Sculpture on display in a public place (and the Royal Aeronautical Society would be a public place if they do tours or let people use their library &c) can be photographed here - but not the US - and the result called free because it is covered by freedom of panorama. The relevant freedom of panorama legislation is that of the jurisdiction where the object is situated. I'd argue that a painting, sculpture or bust is a better likeness than most photographs, but that's just me. There must surely be PD photographs of HP as well, but finding them would be difficult on-line. ] ] 22:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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==Hi!==
Thank you for your intervention the other day. That was kind of you! Best regards ]&nbsp;] 13:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Godwin ancestry ==

I am reading Frank Barlow's The Godwins, and finding that he is sympathetic to the theory that they are descended from Æthelred I, I started revising the section on it in the ] article when I found your discussion with Streona on the discussion page. I think a theory taken seriously by Barlow is worth covering, and I hope I have revised it to be impartial. Can you tell me what you think of it. ] (]) 19:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I have now replaced the section in the Wulfnoth Cild article with a new one which I have created, ]. ] (]) 17:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== ] ==

I see you are or were PHG's mentor. He proposed the above as an article, which was discussed in an Rfc at ], and changes made. He's now asking me to move it to articlespace, which I'm happy to do if it doesn't set off any mines in this tricky area. Can you advise? Thanks. ] (]) 14:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::Eek! Don't say you have joined the WP-departed too. ] (]) 17:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

::I'm just awful busy right now. Normal service will be resumed over the Festive Season, and hopefully through 2011. I'll have a peek, but I can't see I'd have any problems. Toodle-pip, ] ] 13:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Excellent! In fact someone else has done it already. Thanks ] (]) 13:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

*Angus, I'm a bit confused by your advice here. PHG is banned from this topic area; it seems a bit strange to suggest that it's appropriate for him to create articles in his user space and have them proxied into the main space. I'm concerned that this may be the source of his continued confusion over the ban. You may wish to review the recent AE report which resulted in the deletion of the rest of the articles PHG has been working on like this in user space and indicated that this behavior is clearly over the line. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

:* Mongols, that I see, but I'm surprised that this is considered to be relevant to Crusaders. But no doubt you'll be right. ] ] 22:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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I seem to recall, in the mists of primordial Misplaced Pages life, you saying something about rewriting our ] article, using proper academic references. Anyhoo, I have made an utterly pathetic attempt at initiating a referenced stub article for ], and just wondered if you would cast your learnèd eye over the result. Even if you choose not to contribute to the article yourself, I would appreciate it if you could keep it on your watchlist, as it is the kind of topic which seems to turn certain weak-minded types into ].
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If you fancy adding a wee bit about its origins in the medieval period, I would be very grateful. Cheers. --] (]) 16:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

:Will try to get that done. Weight's ''Patriots: national identity in Britain 1940-2000'' is quite good on the "rebirth of English identity" stuff and indeed as a general survey. If I ever get time I will try to expand the English one with that. ] ] 16:49, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

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==About pronunciation of the word "Bonawe"==

Would you like to say me how to pronounciate the name of the hamlet of ]? Which variant is the correct? or ? And one another quation yet. How to pronunciate the Scottish Gaelic name of this settlement which is written by Englis as Bun Abha, or or any how else? I need this information beacose I want to write an article about Bonawe and its Furnase on my native language. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Wulfrida ==

I deleted the statement that Wulfrida was the wife of Æthelred I as I could not find any reference for the name of his wife in academic sources such as the ODNB article on him. I then found that in the discusssion on Wulfrida you question whether the Wulfrida who was Æthelred's wife was the same person as the Wulfrida who was the dedicatee of Horton church. Is there any evidence (apart from unreferenced web sources) for the name of Æthelred's wife? If not, I would like to nominate the article on Wulfrida for deletion. ] (]) 20:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

==Uhtred of Galloway==

Hello Angus, long time no see! I've added extracts from the Annals of Loch Ce to this article, concerning what appears to be a son of his, Thomas mac Uhtred. I know very little of Galwegian politics, so maybe you'd care to add your expertise to it? ] (]) 16:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pictish language ==

Hi Angus, I was hoping to solicit your comments on this: ] as you wrote a good part of ] before I blundered in and messed it up! Cheers, '']&nbsp;]'' 13:03, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

== Hey Angus ==

Just delete them all. I'm very tired. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== 61st place ==

I think that your referenced change now slots Scotland into 61st rather than 78th position:
* ]
I would fix it myself but family commitments this afternoon prevent further WikiGnoming activities. Cheers. --] (]) 13:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

:To be honest, that whole article is a piece of unreferenced nonsense and the table should be designed to sort itself automatically when updated. So I wouldn't bother. Anyway I'd reckon there's a good chance that a lot of the "GDP" numbers are really "GVA" anyway like in ]. Nothing wrong with that, so long as it is labelled right. Not much chance of that though. Toodle-pip, ] ] 13:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for your 15 February 2010 (UTC) suggestion of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Resource Exchange. I have used it many times. ] (]) 20:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
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::::::] ] 22:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
:I'm glad to have been of some help (although it's really the fine people who help out at the resource exchange who deserve our thanks!). Thanks and all the best, ] ] 19:36, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


::::::: Brilliant! ] (<small>]</small>) 16:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
==List of legendary kings of Scotland==
:::::::{{yo|Cactus.man}} Excellent. ] ]] 18:53, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Angus. Long time no talk. Thought I'd inform you about this article, ], which is really more your cup of tea than mine. Incidentally, you may not have seen these new titles, in which case here . None are super great, but might be useful for you on wiki. Another bio of Athelstan is due soon from Charles Insley, and I hear Michael Wood plans one too. I guess Anglo-Saxon kings are a bit like buses then. :) ] (<small>]</small>) 16:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
== Poll on ArbCom resolution - Ireland article names ==


Thought I would advance the Quaich a bit so created a template, ], to make its issue a bit easier. It's ] code but modified the colours in line with ]. Any changes needed?--] | (]) 15:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a poll taking place ] on whether or not to extend the ArbCom], which says there may be no page move discussions for ], ] or ], for a further two years. ] (]) 20:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


Just saw this, after looking at ]. And I think the idea is a nice one. As the image isn't a "barnstar", I added the award to ]. I'll add a link to ]'s template as well. - <b>]</b> 04:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
== About the language at the Reference (books) of the texts that I have contributed==
==] nomination of ]==
About the language at the Reference (books) of the texs I have contributed such as '''Saint Patapios''' and '''Helena Dragaš''', I have written them in Greek, because they are Greek books. However I don't know if it is better to translate them in English. Please tell me what to do. Do I need to translate the title of each book in English (however they may be problems on the excact translation) or to keep it as it is excactly in the Greek book? ] (]) 20:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
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:It isn't necessary to add a translation, although a transliteration in the Latin alphabet would be nice. Anyone who can't read the book title won't be able to read the book I think. Hope this helps. Regards, ] ] 21:00, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


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== Ivar ==

Angus, I have not been participating but I am aware of the debate about Ivar Uí Ímair/The Boneless and am of the view that we need two articles. I stumbled upon your draft of the former from some time ago. Can I persuade you to launch it? ] ]] 13:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== Gaelic class? ==

I'm not sure of the extent of your linguistic skills, but I know that medieval Scotland is an interest.
Should Port an Eilean Mhòir use an acute or a grave accent? Please see:
* ] and its Talk page
Ta. --] (]) 17:59, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

:Looks to be solved. Just as well. My linguistic skills are up there with Rangers' prospects of avoiding insolvency: nil. ] ] 21:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==

Earlier today I created ]. I had planned on the next installment being :Category:Privy Council of William the Lion (including eg. ], ] and ]), but then it occurred to me that "privy council" might not be the best term for the king's most senior officers of state during the High Middle Ages. Can you confirm that as a suitable title, or suggest a better one? Thanks. ] (]) 19:41, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Holiday wishes... ==

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I just got word from his brother that Angus passed away early on Friday morning. He had been battling lymphoma for some time. I knew him both on and off Misplaced Pages, and am so sad that he is gone - Alison 12:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Sad indeed. Look above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
link - Alison 13:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
How sad. RIP, Angus. --Bill Reid | (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
A terrible loss, you will be remembered and missed. Rest in Peace, friend. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Urf. And cancer robs us of another one... Ealdgyth - Talk 18:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear this. I never knew Angus personally, but I've seen him around many times over the years. He will be missed. Kurtis 04:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Angus was kind and helpful and did a mountain a good work. We will remember him. Haukur (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Really sorry to learn of this. Angus was a bit of a mentor for me when I started editing Misplaced Pages. Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Funeral details here - Alison 03:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I never knew Angus in real life, but I looked up to him as a Wikipedian. He was always kind and thoughtful. He contributed so much in content and discussion. I wish he were still here. Rest in peace Angus. --Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

In memoriam

  • "A candle"
  • "Flowers"
  • "The Japanese peace bell at the headquarters of the United Nations"
  • "An eternal flame"
We will remember your contributions and your service. Thank you. Requiescat in pace.
↠Pine (✉) 00:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

We'll remember you and your work here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Just thought I'd add here, didn't know Angus at all, virtually or otherwise as far as I know, no doubt I have benefitted unknowingly from many of his contributions. Anyway came here as a result of searching through the many Scottish political maps he created on Commons, something I often view and use but have no experience in creating - another area where his input is clearly missed. So just thought I'd weigh in to the recognition of his efforts. My wife had lymphoma, must have been around the same time, a wee sneaky invasive cancer (not that any type is nice). Thankfully she survived. As anyone been awarded the Quaich yet? Seems a shame to create it but not to award it. Crowsus (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

The Quaich

I can't think of what at the moment, but it would be nice and fitting if we could find some way of honoring / institutionalising his memory in some way, perhaps via one of the WikiProjects most associated with his work (Middle Ages, Scotland, etc). Some sort of Angusmclellan (Memorial) award or barnstar? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
An excellent idea. I never knew Angus personally, but what limited interaction I had with him on WP was always helpful and extremely positive. How about the "McLellan Quaich" for excellent contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages? Just a thought. --Cactus.man ✍ 20:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
The 'McLellan Quaich' sounds great! Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 12:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
A very sad loss indeed. Angus was knowledgeable, able, kindly and disinclined to get involved in drama - I echo Brianann's comments above and support the 'McLellan Quaich' idea. Ben MacDui 16:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

PS Here's a start:

The McLellan Quaich
Awarded to 'User:xx' for outstanding contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages.
Deacon's idea is very fitting and Cactus.man's proposal for a McLellan Quaich coupled with Ben MacDui's design of such an award are ideal. --Bill Reid | (talk) 19:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks to @Ben MacDui: for knocking up a prototype award. Can I suggest using the following image instead: File: Quaich.jpg. I think it's an improvement because it's a cleaner representation of the quality of siversmith work and celtic imagery typically crafted into the handles.
The McLellan Quaich
Awarded to 'User:xx' for outstanding contributions to Scottish coverage in Misplaced Pages.
Cactus.man ✍ 22:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Brilliant! Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 16:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cactus.man: Excellent. Ben MacDui 18:53, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Thought I would advance the Quaich a bit so created a template, Template:The McLellan Quaich, to make its issue a bit easier. It's Cactus.man's code but modified the colours in line with Misplaced Pages: Talk page templates. Any changes needed?--Bill Reid | (talk) 15:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Just saw this, after looking at Misplaced Pages:Deceased Wikipedians. And I think the idea is a nice one. As the image isn't a "barnstar", I added the award to Misplaced Pages:Personal user awards/Topics. I'll add a link to User:Billreid's template as well. - jc37 04:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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