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While I think the first two sentences are correct, I think the remainder: |
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== Refs== |
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The process of becoming intuitively aware and harmonious with these forces is what Jung labelled "synchronicity." Jung purported that a person that reached this enlightened state could actually shape events around them through the enjoining of one's awareness with these universal forces. |
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== Popular culture == |
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Would be closer to correct if it read: |
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In the film "The Eagle has Landed", Robert Duvall's character discusses the idea of synchronicity and his allowing it to influence his thinking sets the plot in motion |
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The process of becoming intuitively aware and acting harmoniously with these forces is what Jung labelled "individuation." Jung said that an individuated person would actually shape events around them through the communication of their consciousness with the collective unconscious. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCg3YKazVG8 <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Examples == |
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In fact, I'm convinced enough I'll change it for now. -- ] 06:37 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC) |
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Regarding the 2021 notice "This section may contain information not important or relevant to the article's subject." |
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== Should Love be mentioned? == |
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The examples quoted help illustrate the concept, and so are relevant to the subject of the article. If there's no objection, I propose to delete the notice in one month's time. At that point, I suggest adding three subheads: Jung, Deschamps, Pauli. Plus moving the para starting "After describing some examples, Jung wrote..." to be above the Deschamps one, in order to bring the Jung text in this section together. |
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== Of Course It Should... == |
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— ] (]) 10:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Chinese concept of ] == |
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For what is it we are really searching for? If not love then what? It is a question we need to ask more, I should think. For what are we truly capable of, when we are confident in the ones we love? Confident that they will be there for us no matter what. Even when all hope is lost, someone will always be there. Even when you think every possible force in this universe has left you, or turned against you or has just simply confused you, it will always be made clear to you how love is the most natural expression in the world. It is the expectation of nothing. The anticipation that something is always born. This is the true relevance of the world myth of a virgin birth. |
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Something that might be woven into the article? |
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Remember, friend that Jung's primary interest was what lay beyond the symbol, the force that animated it. That gave, what Jung called a numinousity. I hope my addition is not considered grafitti, or worse simple tom foolery. My intention was simply to add a reminder where one least expects it. |
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— ] (]) 10:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Seems related. Would you happen to be aware of a source which identifies that specific concept as Jung’s inspiration? ] (]) 06:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Causal or Acausal? == |
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::Not atm: I'll have a look for one. — ] (]) 18:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Can't find a source that makes that connection. |
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::So we could add this concept at the end of the (alphabetically sorted) ] section. In the current style used there, which copies the ] of each article listed, that would look like: |
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::* {{annotated link|Yuanfen}} |
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::Btw, this is a bit elliptical, now that I notice it :). Note-to-self: on the ], propose something like "Concept in Chinese society" (as in the lead) or "...in Chinese culture". |
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::— ] (]) 14:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Done — ] (]) 19:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Shambolic sentence in the lede == |
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Did Jung say synchronicity was "a causal connecting principle" or an "acausal connecting principle"? Both versions are given at different points in the article. ] 17:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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:"Acausal" it is. To me, the sentence |
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This sentence is unnecessarily confusing and could be written much clearer - “Synchronicity experiences refer to one's subjective experience whereby coincidences between events in one's mind and the outside world may be causally unrelated, yet have another unknown connection.” ] (]) 05:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::"Although not scientifically provable in the classical sense, a scientific basis for the phenomenon of synchronicity may be found in the principle of ], in so far as a more precise scientific term for Jung's expression 'a ] connecting principle' is 'correlation'" |
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:Agreed. And it's not cited, as far as I can see. |
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:does not make sense. As said in the next sentence, correlation does not imply causation, but neither does it exclude causation. So, correlation does not help defining synchronicity. I'm in favor of removing the whole correlation section, since all it does is confusing people. --] 19:22, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC) |
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:Also, the sentence implies that first, the events concerned, or at last some of them, occur in the mind; second, that the relationship between events may or may not be causally unrelated; and that finally, that there ''is'' a connection, but that what this might be is unknown. Doesn't reflect the substance of the article, imho. ]? |
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:Anyway, perhaps the sentence concerned is redundant if the first sentence in the lead is slightly expanded. Let's look at the definition, current as of July 2023, in the online ] for inspiration: "The name given by the Swiss psychologist, C. G. Jung (1875–1961), to the phenomenon of events which coincide in time and appear meaningfully related but have no discoverable causal connection." So how about tweaking the first sentence (keeping the wikilinks) to read — |
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:"Synchronicity (German: ''Synchronizität'') is a concept introduced by analytical psychologist Carl Jung to describe events that coincide in time and appear meaningfully related yet lack a discoverable causal connection." |
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:— replace the current citation with an OED one, and delete the second sentence (ie, the one in question, to be clear). |
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:— ] (]) 12:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Done. — ] (]) 07:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== no clarity == |
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i dont understand what it is, I understand the controvery <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Regarding the 2021 notice "This section may contain information not important or relevant to the article's subject."
The examples quoted help illustrate the concept, and so are relevant to the subject of the article. If there's no objection, I propose to delete the notice in one month's time. At that point, I suggest adding three subheads: Jung, Deschamps, Pauli. Plus moving the para starting "After describing some examples, Jung wrote..." to be above the Deschamps one, in order to bring the Jung text in this section together.
— Protalina (talk) 10:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
This sentence is unnecessarily confusing and could be written much clearer - “Synchronicity experiences refer to one's subjective experience whereby coincidences between events in one's mind and the outside world may be causally unrelated, yet have another unknown connection.” CarlStrokes (talk) 05:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)