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OKAY SOJOURNER TRUTH WAS A SLAVE SO WHY DONT WE HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION ON HER????????? |
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:Misplaced Pages is entirely community-edited. I presume that there's not much information here simply because the people who have visited this page so far haven't had a lot of information handy to add to it. If suck yourself you know more about her and would like to see it here, you can add it yourself - though I suggest you take the caps lock key off first. ] 02:23, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC) |
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Sojourner Truth's famous speech at the Akron Ohio never happened. A white women's rights activist named Frances Dana Gage wrote the "Ar'n't I a Woman?" speech. The convention in Akron actually never even happened, it was entirely fictionalized by Gage. ] |
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:It's odd to me that so many people make this argument and have absolutely nothing to back it up. I've never read or heard anything other than that Sojourner Truth did not give the "Ain't I a Woman" speech, but I am willing to learn. If you have some actual evidence or anything, let's see it.] 07:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC) |
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<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by ] (]) 14:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</span> |
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I believe the idea that Sojourner Truth didn't give the speech is a minority opinion and definitely not settled fact. My wife has a copy of the <i>Summit Beacon</i> newspaper article written about the speech and discussing the conference, so it did happen and Sojourner Truth was given credit for the speech very soon after it was given. I'm no expert, so I didn't change the article, but I think it needs attending to by someone who's knowledgable. ] 01:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2024 == |
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:I do believe the conference happened and theat Sojourner Truth spoke, but based on another discussion I've had with my wife, I'm not certain about Sojourner Truth's role in it, so I'm withdrawing my disputed notice. ] 05:45, 26 November 2005 (UTC) |
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I was just thinking that perhaps at least the article should not dinstinctly say that she did NOT speak, but at least say that it is disputed and leave it at that. |
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change "Robert's owner (Charles Catton, Jr., a landscape painter) forbade their relationship; he did not want the people he enslaved to have children with people he was not enslaving, because he would not own the children. One day Robert sneaked over to see Truth. When Catton and his son found him, they savagely beat Robert until Dumont finally intervened." to "Robert's owner (Charles Catton, Jr., a landscape painter) forbade their relationship because he would not own any of Truth and Robert's potential children. When Catton and his son caught Robert with Truth, they beat him until Truth's owner, Dumont, finally intervened." |
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change "Isaac offered to buy her services for the remainder of the year (until the state's emancipation took effect), which Dumont accepted for $20." to " Isaac offered to buy her services for the remainder of the year (until the state's emancipation took effect), which Dumont accepted for $20 (about $615.56 in 2023). <ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.officialdata.org/us/inflation/1826?endYear=2023&amount=20 |website=CPI Inflation Calculator |access-date=10/28/2024}}</ref>" |
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Agreed ] 01:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)zcart |
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change "That same year, she purchased a home in Florence for $300 (about $11,719.31 in 2023) <ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.officialdata.org/us/inflation/1826?endYear=2023&amount=20 |website=CPI Inflation Calculator |access-date=10/28/2024}}</ref> " |
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Whats funny about this article on Sojourner Truth is the complete lack of history. There is nothing about the Kingdom of Matthias, which greatly influenced her, and of course brought her to change her name to Sojourner Truth. That in itself is a great piece of history to simply ignore. |
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:If you have more information, edit the article to include it! Help make it better. Edit away! ] 23:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC) |
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change "In May, she attended the Ohio Women's Rights Convention in Akron, Ohio, where she delivered her famous extemporaneous speech on women's rights, later known as "Ain't I a Woman?". Her speech demanded equal human rights for all women. She also spoke as a former enslaved woman, combining calls for abolitionism with women's rights, and drawing from her strength as a laborer to make her equal rights claims." to "In May, she attended the Ohio Women's Rights Convention in Akron, Ohio, where she delivered her most famous speech on women's rights. There are two versions of the speech, the most commonly referenced version "Ain't I a Woman?" and the lesser known, likely more accurate version "I am a Woman's Rights." <ref>{{cite web |last1=Walker |first1=Malea |title=Sojourner Truth’s Most Famous Speech |url=https://blogs.loc.gov/headlinesandheroes/2021/04/sojourner-truths-most-famous-speech/ |website=Library of Congress Blogs |publisher=Library of Congress |access-date=10/28/2024}}</ref> Her speech demanded equal human rights for all women. She also spoke as a former enslaved woman, combining calls for abolitionism with women's rights, and drawing from her strength as a laborer to make her equal rights claims." ] (]) 15:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' According to the page's protection level you should be able to ]. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] <span style="font-weight:bold">|</span> ] 09:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
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In the definition of Truth we often find a reference to Sojourner Truth, a political acitivist described as follows: |
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Truth, Sojourner. 1797?-1883. |
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American abolitionist and feminist. Born into slavery, she escaped in 1827 and became a leading preacher against slavery and for the rights of women. |
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If you examine her bio, it is odd that as a black slave she was not concerned about the rights of black men, don't you think ? An obvious 'half-truth' ignoring that slavery attacked the rights of black men as well and not women in general. |
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--] 15:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:How do you derive this interpretation from "a leading preacher against slavery AND for the rights of women"? If she was an abolitionist, she was against slavery. Period. If she was a feminist, she was for the rights of women. The two are separate; Sojourner Truth was both an abolitionist, against slavery, and for the rights of women, black and white. You should really try and read more carefully rather than jump to conclusions.] 07:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:Actually, the two are not separate. Sojourner Truth was a Black woman and a slave, she experienced white supremacy, slavery, and patriarchy simultaneously, and she fought them simultaneously. For her, there was no separation. And yes Caesarjbsquitti, slavery as a system did attack Black women '''as women'''. Rape and forced procreation were key components of slavery, as any serious study of the institution will show. That doesn't mean she didn't care about the human rights of Black men. To suggest that she dismissed Black men's liberation is absurd and fallacious.--] 23:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC) |
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''“In 2004, renowned author Bennett Golder wrote "The Truth About Sojourner Truth" a biographical account about the lies surrounding the life of Sojourner Truth.”'' |
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I can't find any reference to this on google so I assume it's not true. I'm removing it, if someone wants to revert, provide a reference ] 19:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== Cultural references, modern references == |
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I see my removal of most of the Modern references section was reverted, twice. My reversion of the change was inadvertant as I have been heavily editing this article and did not see the change by someone else. I have restoured the removed material but changed the heading and added one item, and plan to add one for her US postal commemorative. However I do not feel this material is truly relevant to the main theme of the article and shows ] as it is not balanced. Trivia sections are not considered valuable by all editors. If we must have one, additional references should be found to balance these somewhat biased ones. Comments? ] 13:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I know that you are a tiring contributor, Epousesqucido, but please adheare to the ]. Please do not add content to WP, and than delete it. If you do look at the history of that page, you will see that 90% of the edits were made by you. This shouldn't happen, and you should stay away from making so many edits in such a short period of time, as it ties up WP's servers. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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::This article, on a very important person from US history, was a mess, and sadly neglected when I started. I took it on myself to improve it, section by section, which required a complete rewrite of most sections, and I referenced each section as I went. My area of interest in the short time I've been here is historical women and this is not the first article I've been the sole or nearly sole contributor for, while I was working on it. I do not agree that many small changes are necessarily so ineffiecient that they should be avoided, it is how many people edit. I guess I can't believe that you're cricitising me for too much editing in a short time. |
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::Again, my reversion of your reversion of my removal was NOT deliberate, it was inadvertant, and your claiming it was deliberate is not assuming good faith. My last change, which you reverted again, restored all the material and added an additional cultural item. But you reverted it. That in itself may be a 3RR violation, you know. |
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::Now though, I am here to discuss this change, so let's discuss it. The article still needs more work but till we gain consensus on how to proceed, I will confine my edits to other sections of it, or to other articles. The references in particular still need cleaning (when I arrived it had an unsourced tag, now it has many references but we are not done). So then... why should the change I suggest to this section not be made? I do appreciate your concern, and would appreciate any constructive advice on content that you can give. ] 13:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== TOC == |
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I think this article needs a table of contents and I think the removal of it should be restored. I will not restore it while in an apparent edit war though. ] 13:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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change "Robert's owner (Charles Catton, Jr., a landscape painter) forbade their relationship; he did not want the people he enslaved to have children with people he was not enslaving, because he would not own the children. One day Robert sneaked over to see Truth. When Catton and his son found him, they savagely beat Robert until Dumont finally intervened." to "Robert's owner (Charles Catton, Jr., a landscape painter) forbade their relationship because he would not own any of Truth and Robert's potential children. When Catton and his son caught Robert with Truth, they beat him until Truth's owner, Dumont, finally intervened."
change "Isaac offered to buy her services for the remainder of the year (until the state's emancipation took effect), which Dumont accepted for $20." to " Isaac offered to buy her services for the remainder of the year (until the state's emancipation took effect), which Dumont accepted for $20 (about $615.56 in 2023). "
change "That same year, she purchased a home in Florence for $300 (about $11,719.31 in 2023) "
change "In May, she attended the Ohio Women's Rights Convention in Akron, Ohio, where she delivered her famous extemporaneous speech on women's rights, later known as "Ain't I a Woman?". Her speech demanded equal human rights for all women. She also spoke as a former enslaved woman, combining calls for abolitionism with women's rights, and drawing from her strength as a laborer to make her equal rights claims." to "In May, she attended the Ohio Women's Rights Convention in Akron, Ohio, where she delivered her most famous speech on women's rights. There are two versions of the speech, the most commonly referenced version "Ain't I a Woman?" and the lesser known, likely more accurate version "I am a Woman's Rights." Her speech demanded equal human rights for all women. She also spoke as a former enslaved woman, combining calls for abolitionism with women's rights, and drawing from her strength as a laborer to make her equal rights claims." Mbrem14 (talk) 15:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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