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== Really suspicious ==

how all the additional links at the bottom lead to FLG websites. It's really quite infuriating how the FLG members have hijacked countless Chinese-related articles, yet still have their bullshit propaganda quoted as legitimate sources on Misplaced Pages.

Don't you all have something better to do, like burning yourselves to death? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::IP editor 68.149.159.247, please read ] :''Misplaced Pages articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant-minority views that have appeared in reliable, published sources are covered;''
#] is a world famous Chinese reporter who had been thrown into jail by none other than ], because Jiang knows too much dark secrets of Bo and even dare to publish the secrets, so I would not call them ''bullshit propaganda.<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> ]</b></i> 23:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The truth is somewhere in between. Jiang Weiping does have a grudge against Bo, that much is for sure. As far as I can tell he is not against the Communist Party itself like the Epoch Times, but has certainly partnered with them because they all seem to be critical of some part of the CPC bureaucracy. In any case, I would warn against using Jiang's sources unless it is clearly stated who he is and that he is writing on behalf of the Epoch Times - a newspaper that does not have a shred of credibility. ]+<small>(])</small> 00:40, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Colipon, please remember Misplaced Pages is not about ''Truth or Lies'', ''True or false'', it is about ''Reliable and verifiable''. And your comment ''Epoch Times - a newspaper that does not have a shred of credibility'' is highly questionable, to say the least, and is there any difference if he is writing for The New York Times or The Epoch Times?<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> ]</b></i> 01:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Arilang, are you serious? How many does Epoch Times have to be discredited before you admit that they are not a reliable news source? NYT and Epoch Times are the two extremes of good and bad journalism that you can possibly find. Are you serious in your claims that they could be possibly put into the same level? Have you ever read Epoch Times? Go on it now and read some of their BS.] (]) 17:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::Ok, come on guys, I thought we were over the fact that the Epoch Times is a literal propaganda rag during the Falun Gong feuds that originally led to my extended wiki-break. Do you have to go and start inserting this ] into articles that aren't related to the cult?] (]) 12:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

===Kristof NYT piece===
:::On the topic of Falun Gong, here are some fairly heavy words from The New York Times

{{quotation|So what are China's new leaders, Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao, really like? Are they visionaries who are presiding over the greatest explosion of wealth the world has ever known? Or are they '''ruthless thugs''' who persecute Christians, Falun Gong adherents, labor leaders and journalists in a desperate attempt to maintain their dictatorship?}}

===Jiang Weiping===



{{quotation|
Jiang Weiping, a former bureau chief for the Hong Kong newspaper ], was arrested in December 2000 after writing a series of articles for the magazine Frontline that exposed corruption among senior officials in the northeastern province of Liaoning. He was then sentenced to eight years in prison on charges of revealing state secrets and inciting subversion. A higher court later reduced the sentence to six years. Jiang also reported that one of the Communist Party's rising stars, ], covered up corruption among friends and relatives during his years as mayor of the city of Dalian. Bo, who is the son of the party elder Bo Yibo, was serving as the Liaoning governor when Jiang's reports were published, and is now China's trade minister.}}

{{cquote|Jiang's reporting uncovered several corruption scandals involving high-level officials, including such well-connected leaders as Bo Xilai, governor of Liaoning province and son of Communist Party elder Bo Yibo.

http://cpj.org/awards/2001/jiang.php}}<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> ]</b></i> 12:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

:The story of Jiang Weiping is well-known and has been widely reported within the mainstream Western media and by nonprofit organizations representing the interests of international journalists. I don't know anything about his relationships with either Fulan Gong or media related to Fulan Gong, but the basic facts of his life and career have been openly reported by non-Fulan Gong sources.
:http://www.cpj.org/blog/2009/02/a-twisting-road-to-canada-for-a-chinese-journalist.php

:] (]) 06:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

== Lead section ==

I think at the last sentence in the lead section should be in the first paragraph.

"On 22 September 2013, Bo was found guilty of corruption, stripped of all his assets, and sentenced to life imprisonment." ] (]) 01:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

== Marxist reading? ==
anyone object to my adding something of a marxian reading to this saga - including the downfall and the chongqing model? I'm talking about the commentaries of Lin Chun, Zhao Yuezhi, Wang Hui, mainly, regarding theories of neoliberal conspiracy on Bo's downfall and what they consider the unfulfilled promise of the CQ model.<span style="text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">]<span style="color:Gray;"> '''''monsoon''''' </span>]</span> 19:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
:Well this certainly sounds very ''interesting'' so I'd say be bold. ]+<small>(])</small> 12:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
::hah! I can't tell if you're being somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but anyway, they are published in what I believe count as reliable sources (Monthly Review?) so let me collect them together a bit and make a section for that. it's just about getting this perspective on the record really. (though at the same time, there are actual economists who don't think the CQ model was really any different than a hypertrophied version of 'the China model' - probably would be good to has that out a little too.)<span style="text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">]<span style="color:Gray;"> '''''monsoon''''' </span>]</span> 16:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I would be most interested to see someone analyze Bo's policies in Chongqing and Xi's current policies in China as a whole. ]+<small>(])</small> 20:01, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

== Maoist party ==
Epoch Times is not a reliable source. ] (]) 13:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

:The Epoch Times certainly has its angle, but then again so does the Xinhua News Agency, Fox News, and the SCMP, all of which are references in this entry. ] (]) 22:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
::The four sources you name are not quite in the same category. ] (]) 18:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

== Is he dead? ==

According to some Chinese sources, he might be dead. Please confirm


https://m.creaders.net/news/page/988075 ] (]) 08:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
==From "Minister of Commerce" to "CCP Secretary of Chongqing"?==
That's a huge demotion~! What happened? Anybody? ] (]) 04:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Might be all the lawsuits he's getting for ]?--<font style="bold">]</font><font color="black" style="bold">]</font> 01:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think so. The CCP doesn't care that much about that. I think it's more like corruption or "ethics" stuff (aka relationship w/ short skirts secretaries, etc etc). Might be worth looking into it. I don't know, his political career might even end here. ] (]) 04:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Really suspicious

how all the additional links at the bottom lead to FLG websites. It's really quite infuriating how the FLG members have hijacked countless Chinese-related articles, yet still have their bullshit propaganda quoted as legitimate sources on Misplaced Pages.

Don't you all have something better to do, like burning yourselves to death? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.159.247 (talk) 03:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

IP editor 68.149.159.247, please read Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources :Misplaced Pages articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant-minority views that have appeared in reliable, published sources are covered;
  1. Jiang Weiping is a world famous Chinese reporter who had been thrown into jail by none other than Bo Xilai, because Jiang knows too much dark secrets of Bo and even dare to publish the secrets, so I would not call them bullshit propaganda. Arilang 23:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
The truth is somewhere in between. Jiang Weiping does have a grudge against Bo, that much is for sure. As far as I can tell he is not against the Communist Party itself like the Epoch Times, but has certainly partnered with them because they all seem to be critical of some part of the CPC bureaucracy. In any case, I would warn against using Jiang's sources unless it is clearly stated who he is and that he is writing on behalf of the Epoch Times - a newspaper that does not have a shred of credibility. Colipon+(Talk) 00:40, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Colipon, please remember Misplaced Pages is not about Truth or Lies, True or false, it is about Reliable and verifiable. And your comment Epoch Times - a newspaper that does not have a shred of credibility is highly questionable, to say the least, and is there any difference if he is writing for The New York Times or The Epoch Times? Arilang 01:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Arilang, are you serious? How many does Epoch Times have to be discredited before you admit that they are not a reliable news source? NYT and Epoch Times are the two extremes of good and bad journalism that you can possibly find. Are you serious in your claims that they could be possibly put into the same level? Have you ever read Epoch Times? Go on it now and read some of their BS.192.17.205.72 (talk) 17:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, come on guys, I thought we were over the fact that the Epoch Times is a literal propaganda rag during the Falun Gong feuds that originally led to my extended wiki-break. Do you have to go and start inserting this undue nonsense into articles that aren't related to the cult?Simonm223 (talk) 12:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Kristof NYT piece

On the topic of Falun Gong, here are some fairly heavy words from The New York Times China's Donkey Droppings By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF Published: December 1, 2004

So what are China's new leaders, Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao, really like? Are they visionaries who are presiding over the greatest explosion of wealth the world has ever known? Or are they ruthless thugs who persecute Christians, Falun Gong adherents, labor leaders and journalists in a desperate attempt to maintain their dictatorship?

Jiang Weiping

China Releases Investigative Reporter Whose Jailing Had Upset U.S. By Philip P. Pan Washington Post Foreign Service


Jiang Weiping, a former bureau chief for the Hong Kong newspaper Wen Hui Bao, was arrested in December 2000 after writing a series of articles for the magazine Frontline that exposed corruption among senior officials in the northeastern province of Liaoning. He was then sentenced to eight years in prison on charges of revealing state secrets and inciting subversion. A higher court later reduced the sentence to six years. Jiang also reported that one of the Communist Party's rising stars, Bo Xilai, covered up corruption among friends and relatives during his years as mayor of the city of Dalian. Bo, who is the son of the party elder Bo Yibo, was serving as the Liaoning governor when Jiang's reports were published, and is now China's trade minister.


“ Jiang's reporting uncovered several corruption scandals involving high-level officials, including such well-connected leaders as Bo Xilai, governor of Liaoning province and son of Communist Party elder Bo Yibo.

http://cpj.org/awards/2001/jiang.php

”

Arilang 12:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

The story of Jiang Weiping is well-known and has been widely reported within the mainstream Western media and by nonprofit organizations representing the interests of international journalists. I don't know anything about his relationships with either Fulan Gong or media related to Fulan Gong, but the basic facts of his life and career have been openly reported by non-Fulan Gong sources.
http://www.cpj.org/blog/2009/02/a-twisting-road-to-canada-for-a-chinese-journalist.php
Ferox Seneca (talk) 06:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Lead section

I think at the last sentence in the lead section should be in the first paragraph.

"On 22 September 2013, Bo was found guilty of corruption, stripped of all his assets, and sentenced to life imprisonment." Aaabbb11 (talk) 01:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Marxist reading?

anyone object to my adding something of a marxian reading to this saga - including the downfall and the chongqing model? I'm talking about the commentaries of Lin Chun, Zhao Yuezhi, Wang Hui, mainly, regarding theories of neoliberal conspiracy on Bo's downfall and what they consider the unfulfilled promise of the CQ model.Happy monsoon day 19:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Well this certainly sounds very interesting so I'd say be bold. Colipon+(Talk) 12:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
hah! I can't tell if you're being somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but anyway, they are published in what I believe count as reliable sources (Monthly Review?) so let me collect them together a bit and make a section for that. it's just about getting this perspective on the record really. (though at the same time, there are actual economists who don't think the CQ model was really any different than a hypertrophied version of 'the China model' - probably would be good to has that out a little too.)Happy monsoon day 16:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I would be most interested to see someone analyze Bo's policies in Chongqing and Xi's current policies in China as a whole. Colipon+(Talk) 20:01, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Maoist party

Epoch Times is not a reliable source. DOR (HK) (talk) 13:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

The Epoch Times certainly has its angle, but then again so does the Xinhua News Agency, Fox News, and the SCMP, all of which are references in this entry. Annacoluthon (talk) 22:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
The four sources you name are not quite in the same category. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Is he dead?

According to some Chinese sources, he might be dead. Please confirm

https://m.creaders.net/news/page/988075 MetaTalks (talk) 08:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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