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== National Cash Register == | ||
| Rama, Does anyone have any info about NCR Unix (AKA MP-RAS)? I didn't see any mention of it on this page? ] 16:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hi. I have a national cash register from the 1800s I'm guessing. Does anyone know why the name MJ Kiley would be in larger print on the front. It is literally part of the cash register.. thanks in advance ] (]) 12:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Untitled == | |||
| There is nothing here about NCR's manufacture of carbonless carbon paper which, until 1970, contained PCB's and resulted in widespread environmental contamination. ] 20:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC) William Sanjour | |||
| :likely because that's the customer that originally bought said cash register. Customer name plaques were a common customization. quick web search seems to indicate M.J. Kiley being "Steam Printers" in the US northeast ] (]) 17:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ==First mass storage== | |||
| The article currently says, "In 1962, NCR introduced the NCR-315 Electronic Data Processing System which included the CRAM storage device, the first mass storage alternative to magnetic tape." I've figured out what you mean - automated storage for non-volatile data not used in any current job; comparable devices were automated mag tape reel or mag tape cartridge libraries, e.g. ]. The problems with the current phrasing are: ] takes a different view, including disks as well as tapes and thus giving the impression of referring to something smaller whose contents would all be online at the same time; "... alternative to magnetic tape ..." in the current article gives the same impression. I'm changing the phrasing to "the first ''automated'' mass storage alternative to magnetic tape ''libraries accesed manually by computer operators''." ] (]) 12:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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=== NCR 3600 === | ||
| The links about cuts in 2007 are broken. | |||
| Please remove the sentence "The 3600, through NCR subsidiary Applied Digital Data Systems supported both the Pick Operating System and Prime Information" because it has marginal importance. NCR 3600 was a extreme expensive massively-parallel system based on Intel CPUs (like the whole 3000 series) and working only with Teradata database. There have been strong attempts to implement Sybase - but the efforts failed. Fortunately we eventually managed to install Oracle Parallel Server, because the customer rejected Teradata. | |||
| There are many dead links here, so here comes some more general perspectives on | |||
| PS there ave been plans to manufacture even stronger model - the NCR 3700 - but this has never happen. | |||
| how Misplaced Pages can use references. | |||
| The NCR 3000 series - strictly based on "Wintel" architecture (and AT&T Unix SVR4 - because Microsoft was not able to handle multiprocessor- and massive parallel systems - at the time) - was covering the entire computer range - from real pen (wireless touch-sensitive Wacom) based tablets (NCR 3125) and notebooks, trough desktops (3200 (later named by the competitors "thin clients") and 3300), servers (one of the first multiprocessors 3400 (tower) and 3500 (rack) - sold lots of them :) up to "mainframes" 3600 and 3700 - could become the world best computer series ever - unfortunately the company pursued efforts to make them proprietary - what eventually destroyed the whole NCR computer business - despite not only SCSI (NCR 53C80 chip), but also Intel 4004 (designed for a NCR cash register - produced by Japanese Busicom) and also WiFi (Wave LAN) have their roots in NCR :((( | |||
| ] (]) 08:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Proposal to Create Separate Misplaced Pages Page for NCR Atleos == | |||
| I cannot but wonder what will happen when, after some time and lots of added knowledge, | |||
| most of the references at the bottom of[REDACTED] pages become obsolete. | |||
| Hey everyone, | |||
| Should there be a way to copy link+reference content into some kind of article-database, | |||
| provided that e.g. Daily News accepts this usage of their site? Could we arrange with the | |||
| "wayback-machine" some agreement that when one of the better[REDACTED] pages points to an | |||
| article be it in a newspaper or a university site, then this link-target can be sent to | |||
| the "wayback-machine" which then copies the text (mostly text references are needed.) | |||
| I wanted to bring up a suggestion for discussion regarding the Misplaced Pages page for NCR Voyix. As some of you may know, NCR Corporation recently underwent a restructuring, resulting in the creation of NCR Voyix and the spin-off of NCR Atleos, which now operates independently, focusing primarily on the banking line of business and ATMs. | |||
| ] (]) <small>—Preceding ] comment was added at 17:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Currently, when users search for NCR Atleos on Misplaced Pages, they are redirected to the NCR Voyix page. However, legally speaking, NCR Atleos is a distinct entity that should have its own Misplaced Pages page to accurately reflect its status as a separate, spun-off company. | |||
| == NCR's logo has just changed == | |||
| I'm not real proficient in doing edits but for the record the logo and associated branding have now changed (to solid green). Someone more proficient than me may want ot change it.] (]) 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : http://www.ncr.com/images/site/affiliate/ncrLogo.gif (i don't know where to find a good quality one, but if anyone could help on this)<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:34, 21 January 2009</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | |||
| I believe it would be beneficial for Misplaced Pages users to have access to comprehensive information about both NCR Voyix and NCR Atleos, allowing them to better understand the corporate landscape of NCR Corporation and its subsidiaries. | |||
| *I just uploaded the logo I found on the New York Stock Exchange's website (see ], which is green and blue). | |||
| *Then I found . It seems that since 09 October 2013, they have made it "NCR Green". | |||
| *But it seems that it is still the same 1996 ] design, just with a new green background. If someone wants to replace the logo I just updated with the green logo, that's fine with me. ] (]) 15:51, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, I see. The previous logo was ] (solid green), which will be deleted after Friday, 14 March 2014 if it is not restored. That file was uploaded 31 July 2010 by ]. See ]. | |||
| :The solid green logo was replaced by ] by ] (]). ] (]) 17:29, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| What are your thoughts on this? Do you agree that NCR Atleos deserves its own Misplaced Pages page? Let's discuss and see if we can reach a consensus on this matter. Your input is greatly appreciated! | |||
| :OK, I've put some time into researching this. We have a basic black logo of the ] design on commons, and nobody there has deleted it, so I think it's good with respect to any licensing issues. Over the years since Bass designed it, the logo colors have been tweaked. We have green and blue, then solid green, and now white on a green "brand block" (did they lift that one from ]?), and who knows what other colors they have used. I don't know what color Bass made it, but we can avoid that issue by just using the black logo on commons. I think that the best logo caption is the interesting and informative note attributing it to Saul Bass. I know it is tempting for editors who are probably paid more than I am to put the slogan du jour in the '''caption''' parameter, but in my opinion that is not in the spirit of what the caption is for. See ] for discussions about the deprecated '''company slogan''' parameter. Slogans like ''Experience a new world of interaction'' and ''Everyday Made Easier'' come and go, and don't really say anything; this is just advertising branding, and that's not what this encyclopedia is for. ] (]) 21:24, 10 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Best, | |||
| I am a current employee for NCR and have responsibility for our Misplaced Pages page and correcting any inaccuracies. The Saul Bass logo is not our current logo...in fact we no longer have a "black" version. Rather only the icon within the design has been maintained. However the icon alone is not the official NCR logo. The text NCR, the icon and the green box is all part of the official NCR logo. We are requesting that the correct version be used as many folks come to this page to find our logo to use for their online purposes. ] (]) 20:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)ShuntsingerNCR | |||
| ] (]) 18:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :How about starting with a section explaining Atleos? It's only mentioned on the page. That would help prove that there's enough content. Mind ] as well. ] (]) 18:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :<span class="template-ping">@]:</span> So the logo is only ever used in reverse coloration? I do see the logo in white-on-green at http://www.ncr.com/ but also in white-on-grey in the annual reports. | |||
| :Should we just change the color scheme of the current file and create a new version, white-on-green? —''']''' (]) 20:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| We ask that you use our preferred logo: the NCR Brand Block. Here is what our brand guidelines say: | |||
| This is the default version of the NCR Brand Block. The relationship between the logo (side-by-side lock-up) and the green square is fixed so the size and position cannot be changed. The Logo can only appear white out and the Brand Block itself cannot be recreated or contain any other element other than the logo. Brand Block Flat/Mono – Where halftones cannot be reproduced, variants of the Brand Block in PMS 361 flat green and Mono (black and white) are available. These versions are suitable for some specialist reproduction methods, screen printing for example, which may require solid or color-separated artwork. The NCR Brand Block is The Preferred logo and should be used on any web or online application. | |||
| With regard to exceptions, those are approved by our brand team. How can I make the jpg available to you to post? Thanks. ] (]) 21:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)ShuntsingerNCR | |||
| :The logos that I've uploaded have come from the company's official website. It's not easy for me to find the pure logo. Most pages have the logo not in a block, but embedded in a green bar that runs the width of the page. Can you provide a link to the logo you want us to use that is on your website? ] (]) 21:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Found it in the . Would you like to use that in Misplaced Pages? ] (]) 22:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| I work for NCR and manage NCR.com. We use our logo as a "featured" thumbnail as a default when there is no featured image loaded. You can find it utilized in many instances starting here: http://www.ncr.com/news/news-releases. The direct link to the logo file: http://www.ncr.com/wp-content/themes/ncr-dotcom-wp-theme_STRIPPED/_assets/images/placeholder_ncr_logo.png. Can we utilize this in place of the existing (and old) logo, please? ] (]) 20:04, 10 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :{{done}} ] (]) 19:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Location of headquarters == | |||
| The census map linked as a reference to support that the HQ is located in an unincorporated area has been redirected, so quick confirmation cannot be made from this link. | |||
| I don't know whether this constitutes original research, but, using Google as my source I was able to confirm. Check these links. | |||
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| * | |||
| I find it interesting that the corporate HQ for this (one-time) major corporation is apparently just a suite number in a building shared by other companies. ] (]) 18:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Original Microsoft 8-bit FAT file system implementation on 8-inch floppies of NCR 7200/7500 in 1977/1978? == | |||
| For the ] article I am researching the early history of the FAT file system (before the introduction of ] in ] in 1980, and in ] and ] in 1981). It happens that ]'s ] invented it in 1977 (<small>some unreliable und unverified sources also claim 1976</small>) as a file system for ]s with 8-bit cluster entries. It was implemented in Microsoft's ] (for the ] processor) for a number of computing platforms in ca. 1977/1978 (<small>The 1977 year still needs verification from reliable sources</small>), and ported to ] (for the ]) in 1978/1979. There also was an 8-bit implementation for Microsoft's ] in 1979, but possibly with an on-disk format differing from that in Standalone Disk BASIC. | |||
| I am now trying to determine the original implementation, which is said to have been for an NCR machine with 8-inch floppy disk drives. It is unclear if this initial effort to implement the file system was exclusively done for this NCR model or was just the first adaptation of the Standalone Disk BASIC product. In the latter case, the NCR machine had to have an Intel 8080, but this is not known for sure. Sources differ significantly in regard to the actual NCR model and dates. | |||
| According to Stephen Manes and Paul Andrews, the original 8-bit FAT development was for the NCR 8200 in late 1977, according to them a floppy-based upgrade to the NCR 7200, which was cassette-based, but confusingly is mentioned in other sources as the target of the original FAT implementation. Adding to the confusion, Marc McDonald himself remembered a machine named NCR 8500 when asked in 2012. Other possible candidates could be the NCR 7500 or NCR 8250, I guess. | |||
| So, I would like to determine the exact NCR model, for which this was implemented, including the dates, and if the implementation was part of that machine's operating system or a stand-alone solution (with or without Microsoft's BASIC). I am therefore also interested in specifications (processors, RAM, drives) and release dates for the above mentioned NCR products. Ideally, I would even like to investigate the on-disk format used in order to find out if it was different in any way from that in Standalone Disk BASIC-80 (which I know) or not. | |||
| If someone can share anything in regard to this, please let me know via talk pages (or mail). Thanks. --] (]) 13:02, 27 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| : Meanwhile, some of the potential options can be ruled out: The ''NCR Century 8200 series'' were 16-bit minicomputers. Flexible disks and fixed disks were available. The ''NCR Criterion 8400'' and ''8500 series'' were mainframes with flexible and fixed disks. Among other languages, NCR BASIC was available for them. However, since none of them was 8080-based, we can rule them out. | |||
| : So, what I am looking for must have been one of the models of the ''NCR 7200'' or ''7500 series'' of data entry terminals. Both series are known to be based on the Intel 8080 8-bit processor. The ''NCR 7200 model I'' was announced in 1975-10 with a delivery date starting in 1975-11. The ''model I'' was designed to be used also as a stand-alone "key-to-cassette" data entry terminal. The ''NCR 7200 model IV'' came without cassette drive as it was hooked up to another computer. The ''NCR 7500 series'' was announced in 1978-06 and released in 1978-10 as a ''NCR 7510'' cassette-based terminal, a ''NCR 7520'' diskette-based terminal, and a ''NCR 7530'' media conversion system (disk- and cassette-based). In 1979-03 a modell ''NCR 7510 Basic +6'' was announced as well, followed by "Basic +6" for the other models in 1979-10, named "second generation" (of what?). "Basic +6" is known to be a variation of Microsoft BASIC-80 (some sources claim, version 3, others version 5 - I could not find sources in regard to the exact variant so far: Standalone Disk, Extended Disk, Disk, Extended, 8K). | |||
| : While I could not find official information indicating that BASIC was also available for the ''NCR 7200 series'', several internet sources claim that there was something named "Basic 6" or "BasicPlus 6" for the NCR 7200 as well. However, if the ''NCR 7200'' was cassette-based only, any BASIC variant for this machine certainly had no use for a FAT file system. | |||
| : All official information I could find so far state that the NCR 7200 series was cassette-based only. Nevertheless, I found one Australian (unreliable) source stating that he owned a ''NCR 7200'' equipped with two floppy disk drives and Microsoft BASIC, originally imported by NCR Sydney into Australia. () | |||
| : So, ''NCR Basic +6'' with 8-bit FAT support was introduced either for a still to be identified rare model variant of the ''NCR 7200'' (possibly in 1977 or theoretically even in 1976?), or for the ''NCR 7520'' and ''NCR 7530'' (1978). Anyone? | |||
| : --] (]) 17:35, 4 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Yet another update: Computerworld 1977-01-17, "NCR Mini, Micro Among Debuts Made on NRMA Convention Floor" (), talks about the introduction of a ''NCR 7200 model VI'' with ''NCR Basic Plus 6'' (Extended BASIC) in Q1/1977. 24K memory (19K BASIC, 5K user), but still cassette-based. The report does not mention any floppy-drive option for this machine. But the date of this report indirectly supports that McDonald must have worked on adapting Microsoft's Extended BASIC-80 to the NCR 7200 in late 1976/early 1977. And since the NCR 7500 was introduced in 1978, it narrows down the development of Standalone Disk BASIC-80 with FAT support (for either the NCR 7500 series or another model variant of the NCR 7200 series) into the timeframe mid 1977 to late 1978. --] (]) 23:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Somewhat larger, the NCR 8100 series (NCR I-8130, I-8150) were 8080- or 8086-based, supported 8-inch disks, and BASIC as well in 1978. Perhaps, Manes meant the 8100 rather than the 8200 series? However, a different class of machine than the 7200 and 7500 series, definitely not direct successors. --] (]) 19:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Kalpana == | |||
| NCR are releasing a disruptive ATM platform called "Kalpana"; I shouldn't write about it since I'm on the project but may be an interesting addition to the page. http://response.ncr.com/NCR-Kalpana ] (]) 20:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Edinburgh == | |||
| > "NCR's R&D activity is split between its three major centres in Atlanta USA (Retail), Dundee, Scotland (Financial Industry)" | |||
| Worth noting that there is also a major (100+) R&D facility in Edinburgh, dealing with financial services, which seems to be mostly comprised of old Digital Insight people. See http://ncredinburgh.com/ ] (]) 06:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Merging NCR Silver == | |||
| It was suggested in April 2016 that NCR Silver be merged with the NCR Misplaced Pages page. NCR Silver is a disruptive product, and has formed a new category for NCR. It's worthy of its own page. Other companies with stand-alone Misplaced Pages pages for products include Apple's various mobile devices such as iPhone, iPad and more, Microsoft's software products such as PowerPoint and Word, and Google's Google AdWords. | |||
| ] (]) 14:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :I agree it should have its own page. Content is always lost in merges, and people interested in NRC Silver specifically may find it hard to find info on it within the long NCR page. ] (]) 01:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
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National Cash Register
Hi. I have a national cash register from the 1800s I'm guessing. Does anyone know why the name MJ Kiley would be in larger print on the front. It is literally part of the cash register.. thanks in advance 73.68.31.200 (talk) 12:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- likely because that's the customer that originally bought said cash register. Customer name plaques were a common customization. quick web search seems to indicate M.J. Kiley being "Steam Printers" in the US northeast 174.93.156.219 (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
NCR 3600
Please remove the sentence "The 3600, through NCR subsidiary Applied Digital Data Systems supported both the Pick Operating System and Prime Information" because it has marginal importance. NCR 3600 was a extreme expensive massively-parallel system based on Intel CPUs (like the whole 3000 series) and working only with Teradata database. There have been strong attempts to implement Sybase - but the efforts failed. Fortunately we eventually managed to install Oracle Parallel Server, because the customer rejected Teradata. PS there ave been plans to manufacture even stronger model - the NCR 3700 - but this has never happen. The NCR 3000 series - strictly based on "Wintel" architecture (and AT&T Unix SVR4 - because Microsoft was not able to handle multiprocessor- and massive parallel systems - at the time) - was covering the entire computer range - from real pen (wireless touch-sensitive Wacom) based tablets (NCR 3125) and notebooks, trough desktops (3200 (later named by the competitors "thin clients") and 3300), servers (one of the first multiprocessors 3400 (tower) and 3500 (rack) - sold lots of them :) up to "mainframes" 3600 and 3700 - could become the world best computer series ever - unfortunately the company pursued efforts to make them proprietary - what eventually destroyed the whole NCR computer business - despite not only SCSI (NCR 53C80 chip), but also Intel 4004 (designed for a NCR cash register - produced by Japanese Busicom) and also WiFi (Wave LAN) have their roots in NCR :((( 188.167.251.57 (talk) 08:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Proposal to Create Separate Misplaced Pages Page for NCR Atleos
Hey everyone,
I wanted to bring up a suggestion for discussion regarding the Misplaced Pages page for NCR Voyix. As some of you may know, NCR Corporation recently underwent a restructuring, resulting in the creation of NCR Voyix and the spin-off of NCR Atleos, which now operates independently, focusing primarily on the banking line of business and ATMs.
Currently, when users search for NCR Atleos on Misplaced Pages, they are redirected to the NCR Voyix page. However, legally speaking, NCR Atleos is a distinct entity that should have its own Misplaced Pages page to accurately reflect its status as a separate, spun-off company.
I believe it would be beneficial for Misplaced Pages users to have access to comprehensive information about both NCR Voyix and NCR Atleos, allowing them to better understand the corporate landscape of NCR Corporation and its subsidiaries.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you agree that NCR Atleos deserves its own Misplaced Pages page? Let's discuss and see if we can reach a consensus on this matter. Your input is greatly appreciated!
Best, Boky (talk) 18:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- How about starting with a section explaining Atleos? It's only mentioned on the page. That would help prove that there's enough content. Mind Misplaced Pages's guidelines around conflicts of interest as well. tedder (talk) 18:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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