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== farab,- town/area in kurdistan ==
==Arab invasion and Greek heritage==
Deleted this bit because it seemed POV:
: Baghdad's Greek heritage in ] that had survived the ] invasion
] 01:54, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)


According to Dr. A. Ravitsky at Hebrew University.
==Turkish or Persian==
Im just geeving his words, not concluding anything.
These terms are not very meaningful for someone born in the 9th century, are they? Trying to label him either way is rather pointless. Any criterion (geographical, political, ethnic, linguistic...) will be arbitrary and will only invite edit wars. IMHO, better just omit the nationality and give all the relevant facts and theories in the Biography (he was born in then-Persia, now-Turkmenistan, probably from Turkic ancestry, etc.). ] 04:20, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


== Sogdian or Turkish ?what? ==


Sogdian is an Iranian language not turkish !!! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Actually, it is not pointless, because being born an Iranian just means that. Turkey was not even a country then, and centuries later, of such Iranian tribes settled into today`s Turkey. The only analogy I can make is; imagine a scientist is born in Italy, and speaks it, he also speaks some dilect since he is from Tuscany. Does that make him anything else but Italian? Even worse, to this date I had thought ] was an Arab, since all the Islamic sites claim him as such. They try to claim so many people; it isn`t fair, because they were only to speak and write in Arabic, or face death. It is like all the Greek artists that built Rome, but at least the world knows they were Greeks. ] 00:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


He was a turkic philosoph.it is fact ] (]) 12:31, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
== Merge proposal ==


The other article has been speedily deleted (as being an incorrectly titled duplicate of this article, containing nothing that isn't here), so I've removed the merge template from this article. --] (] 10:19, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


He was an Iranic philosopher, Farab is a Persian word, and Arab historians who studied his works confirmed that he was born to Persian parents. turk nationalists seem like they want to claim every scientist under the sun as "turkic", maybe because you have none of your own :D <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Turkish Or Persian ==
The terms if used objectively provides information on background and subjects heritage. In this case Farab's name Uzlog indicative of his Turkish/Turkic heritage.
] 03:20, 06 Oct 2005 (UTC)


:Turks spoke Persian at that time, though, since most (educated) people in that region were at least tri-lingual. In contemporary scholarship, classification of ethnicity is largely based on location, thus "Turks" cannot be classified as such. Because of that, there is a gap, when it comes to Turkic/Turkish writers/scientists.
:The changes to the article have been made with no citation of sources. I know of no reputable book (actually I know of no book at all) that supports your claims. If you do, then please supply the reference. --] (] 20:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
:This however, doesn't say anything about his heritage. ]. It would be great, to adress this issue and make corections accordingly, instead of having a cultural war over pseudo-national identities, however I do not have time for this. If someone else is interested in that however, I recommand them to look into the construction of "nationality" at the time of al-Farabi. ] (]) 16:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


== origin of Farabi ==
:: -I agree with Mehrdad. Also his name Al-"Tarkhan" is very Turkic. -Ur


He was originally Persian, from the golden age of Islam. He was born from Persian parents and his place of birth is currently in Kazakhstan. He lived in so many cities. There is no evidence of him being Turkish! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:many informatiom is available by persian sources that call him turk. his big name alturki and alfarabi. his father name uzlugh. ex. rowzatolsafa. his name is totally turkish. his birth place kazakstan. its very clear who he is ] (]) 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
It is well known that he was an Uyghur Turk. That's why Uyghur article of Misplaced Pages links to Farabi; a Turkic nation like Kazakhstan puts his picture on their currency; international encyclopedias (britannica, larousse) tells that he was ethnically Turkish.


== Dispute ==
:It is not well known that he was Turkish (or Persian for that matter). The article is most accurate in its current codition. Leave it alone.--] 00:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


{{ping|2A01:C23:899B:0:797D:93C8:EE5:BAFF}} Please take your concerns here. ] (]) 13:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
I am sick of some people making all the Middle-Eastern scientists, philosophers, rulers etc., "Persian." Man, you guys must suffer from inferiority complex. If the person under discussion speaks Persian you use this as a "proof" that he was Persian. If the he does not speak Persian, then you say: "well, just because he had other native language does not mean he is not Persian." All these scientists, philosophers, poets etc. under the title "Persian ..." could very well have been an Arab, a Turk, a Kurd, or any other Middle-Eastern ethnicity.
In the case of Farabi, I followed what the Encyclopedia Britannica says (http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9364210?query=Farabi%2C%20al-&ct=). Please don't change it following your certain desires. -Ur


== Problematic use of language ==
:Funny how we see the Arabs, Turks, etc doing the exact same thing as well.--] 07:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


The article, especially the lede, is rife with language that is inappropriate in an encyclopedia. To wit: <i>"He was an <b>impeccable</b> early Islamic philosopher...</i>" and "<i>...His impact on philosophy is <b>undeniable</b>...</i>" (emphases added) Subjective adjectives like these are frowned upon by all relevant style manuals, for use in encyclopedia. I'll give fair warning to anyone who might be willing to clean up the language here, and if no one else steps-up to do it after a month or so, I'll undertake it myself. ] (]) 19:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
::National labels seems to be the single major cause of edits to this article (and to articles of other prominent Islamic figures of the epoch). Sigh. If only a fraction of that energy was spent in improving the real contents of the article, we would have a whole ''alfarrabio'' on Al-Farabi by now.<br>Actually, the heat of the dispute, by itself, is a sign that the question has no correct answer. The fact is that modern national labels are not really meaningful for someone living at that time. If we could ask Al-Farabi whether he was Turkish or Persian, I suspect that he would have answered "What?".<br>I have a proposal: why don't we just write "Islamic" in the head paragraph, and then explain the ''facts'' in the article: that his family was of XXX descent, that he was born in YYY but lived his life in WWW, that he spoke spoke ZZZ, etc.. And just that. Then, any reader who feels that he cannot appreciate the man without a national label will be able to choose that label according to his own criteria. What do you say?<br>All the best, ] 08:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


:I can (sort-of) see the issue with the first instance, but the second example of "bias" isn't problematic at all and it most definitely isn't subjective. Al Farabi objectively had an undeniable impact on philosophy in the Islamic world and, by extension, the scholastic school in the Latin West. I don't see the issue here. If it continues to be a problem I think you can submit a request to have a mod look at it. ] (]) 02:28, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Indeed. That's why I wrote the sentence in the article: ''"There is no consensus or sufficient evidence to decide the matter of al-Farabi's ethnic origins."'' But some people just cant help it. They have to go around taking up our time with this ridiculous ethnic crap.--] 08:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


== Book of Music == == Farabi and Kara-Khanid Khanate ==


Neither Nasr & Aminrazavi nor Durant, pp. , say nothing about ], and Farabi died almost half a century before they came to power → Michal Biran (2012). "." Encyclopædia Iranica; C.E. Bosworth (1954–2007). "." Encyclopaedia of Islam. ] (]) 10:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I thought it was entitled Kitaab al-Musiqa al-Kabeera (the big book of music). Anyone have any input/sources for this? Though it's just a minor point.


== Muslim? Or Muslim like Voltaire was Xian? == == He's of Iranic stock from Faryab, Afghanistan. ==


End of the debate, Turanists and pan-Turkicist take their claim from a Kurd claiming to be a Barmakid how ironic. From Farabi's own work there's no traces of any Turkic influence. Also Abbasid Caliphate barely reached if not at all Kazakhstan. Transoxiana barely included or did not even include Kazakhstan too. Outside of Ahmad Yasawi a 11th century Turkic poet Kazakhstan got no legitimate claim.
Every work I've read, including his own, states he is a Muslim. The Quran itself repeatedly calls on it's readers to ponder and question its own meaning, as well as nature. Farabi had his own perspective, but neither denounced religion nor was branded as a heretic, which was a definite possibility for any philosopher in history. As such, the analogy to Voltaire's Christian credentials (he renounced it) is unreasonable. Farabi's views on predestination etc are not universally condemned as heretical by most Muslims. -- ] 06:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


==He was Persian and was born in Iran==


He had Shia influence which was non existent during 9th century Kazakhstan, but not for the 9th century Greater Khorosan. Kazakhstan also never had any known scholar before the 19th century, how can they have only one from the 10th century ?
http://www.ummah.net/history/scholars/FARABI.html


http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/phil/philo/phils/muslim/farabi.html


http://www.iranchamber.com/personalities/farabi/farabi.php


http://www.oqya.5u.com/photo6.html


This is unfair for Faryab province of
The article should include his Persian ethnicity. {{unsigned|Dariush4444|21:09, 13 March 2006}}
Afghanistan and an insult to logic.

] (]) 22:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

:many iranian sources said he is turk. ex. rowzatol safa. his father name is uzlugh. his surename is alturki ] (]) 15:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

== Image captions? ==

Why does the caption for the image of the Iranian stamp feel the need to stress that this is al-Farabi's "imagined face", while the caption under the equally imaginary picture in the Kazakh banknote remains silent, and the medieval European woodcut only admits in a you-have-to-go-looking-for-it pop-up that that artist didn't even bother imagining al-Farabi and just recycled the same picture used for other people? And why is it the medieval European woodcut — probably the least accurate of the three — the one chosen to be '''the''' portrait of this guy?
] (]) 02:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

== father name Uzlugh a turkish name ==

they convict turk for tryıng to change acholars identity but his father name is uzlugh that the writer chaged to a arabic like word but after my edit totally deleted father name so funny that this kind of people wrote wiki. ] (]) 15:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

== ملیت ==

فارابی یکی بزرگترین دانشمندان ایرانی است. ] (]) 13:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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farab,- town/area in kurdistan

According to Dr. A. Ravitsky at Hebrew University. Im just geeving his words, not concluding anything.

Sogdian or Turkish ?what?

Sogdian is an Iranian language not turkish !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.49.233 (talk) 04:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

He was a turkic philosoph.it is fact Turano'g'lu (talk) 12:31, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


He was an Iranic philosopher, Farab is a Persian word, and Arab historians who studied his works confirmed that he was born to Persian parents. turk nationalists seem like they want to claim every scientist under the sun as "turkic", maybe because you have none of your own :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:5AC0:61:88F7:53D3:E734:C54A (talk) 19:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Turks spoke Persian at that time, though, since most (educated) people in that region were at least tri-lingual. In contemporary scholarship, classification of ethnicity is largely based on location, thus "Turks" cannot be classified as such. Because of that, there is a gap, when it comes to Turkic/Turkish writers/scientists.
This however, doesn't say anything about his heritage. Turks and Persians are hard to distinguish at that period anyways. It would be great, to adress this issue and make corections accordingly, instead of having a cultural war over pseudo-national identities, however I do not have time for this. If someone else is interested in that however, I recommand them to look into the construction of "nationality" at the time of al-Farabi. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

origin of Farabi

He was originally Persian, from the golden age of Islam. He was born from Persian parents and his place of birth is currently in Kazakhstan. He lived in so many cities. There is no evidence of him being Turkish! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.233.2.105 (talk) 07:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

many informatiom is available by persian sources that call him turk. his big name alturki and alfarabi. his father name uzlugh. ex. rowzatolsafa. his name is totally turkish. his birth place kazakstan. its very clear who he is Behnam2024 (talk) 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Dispute

@2A01:C23:899B:0:797D:93C8:EE5:BAFF: Please take your concerns here. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Problematic use of language

The article, especially the lede, is rife with language that is inappropriate in an encyclopedia. To wit: "He was an impeccable early Islamic philosopher..." and "...His impact on philosophy is undeniable..." (emphases added) Subjective adjectives like these are frowned upon by all relevant style manuals, for use in encyclopedia. I'll give fair warning to anyone who might be willing to clean up the language here, and if no one else steps-up to do it after a month or so, I'll undertake it myself. Bricology (talk) 19:51, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I can (sort-of) see the issue with the first instance, but the second example of "bias" isn't problematic at all and it most definitely isn't subjective. Al Farabi objectively had an undeniable impact on philosophy in the Islamic world and, by extension, the scholastic school in the Latin West. I don't see the issue here. If it continues to be a problem I think you can submit a request to have a mod look at it. 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:9A1B (talk) 02:28, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Farabi and Kara-Khanid Khanate

Neither Nasr & Aminrazavi nor Durant, pp. 253-254, say nothing about Kara-Khanid Khanate, and Farabi died almost half a century before they came to power → Michal Biran (2012). "Ilak-Khanids." Encyclopædia Iranica; C.E. Bosworth (1954–2007). "Ilek-K̲h̲āns or Ḳarak̲h̲ānids." Encyclopaedia of Islam. Fari Dark (talk) 10:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

He's of Iranic stock from Faryab, Afghanistan.

End of the debate, Turanists and pan-Turkicist take their claim from a Kurd claiming to be a Barmakid how ironic. From Farabi's own work there's no traces of any Turkic influence. Also Abbasid Caliphate barely reached if not at all Kazakhstan. Transoxiana barely included or did not even include Kazakhstan too. Outside of Ahmad Yasawi a 11th century Turkic poet Kazakhstan got no legitimate claim.


He had Shia influence which was non existent during 9th century Kazakhstan, but not for the 9th century Greater Khorosan. Kazakhstan also never had any known scholar before the 19th century, how can they have only one from the 10th century ?



This is unfair for Faryab province of Afghanistan and an insult to logic.

2A02:8428:809E:6701:F0D7:5A73:115E:BA24 (talk) 22:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

many iranian sources said he is turk. ex. rowzatol safa. his father name is uzlugh. his surename is alturki Behnam2024 (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Image captions?

Why does the caption for the image of the Iranian stamp feel the need to stress that this is al-Farabi's "imagined face", while the caption under the equally imaginary picture in the Kazakh banknote remains silent, and the medieval European woodcut only admits in a you-have-to-go-looking-for-it pop-up that that artist didn't even bother imagining al-Farabi and just recycled the same picture used for other people? And why is it the medieval European woodcut — probably the least accurate of the three — the one chosen to be the portrait of this guy? 2604:3D09:A984:A600:9489:A8E8:7BC4:92AC (talk) 02:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

father name Uzlugh a turkish name

they convict turk for tryıng to change acholars identity but his father name is uzlugh that the writer chaged to a arabic like word but after my edit totally deleted father name so funny that this kind of people wrote wiki. Behnam2024 (talk) 15:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

ملیت

فارابی یکی بزرگترین دانشمندان ایرانی است. 2.182.8.200 (talk) 13:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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