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==Sources== ==Sources==
The historian has added a list of recommended sources for Auschwitz to his article about the camp in the USHMM '']'' (volume 1, part A; for the sources, pp.&nbsp;207–208). . Posting it here in case it's helpful. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> The historian has added a list of recommended sources for Auschwitz to his article about the camp in the USHMM '']'' (volume 1, part A; for the sources, pp.&nbsp;207–208). . Posting it here in case it's helpful. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small>
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 December 2024 ==
== United Nations - in 1942? ==

""The Mass Extermination of Jews in German Occupied Poland", a paper issued by the Polish government-in-exile addressed to the '''United Nations, 1942'''"

Caption to a picture in Section '''Resistance, escapes, liberation'''. - But, as is generally known, the United Nations were founded only in 945. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Right. I believe the explanation is that "Governments of the United Nations" does not not mean members of the organization founded in 1945. It means the nations united against Germany, popularly called "the Allies". is a 1943 American usage of the phrase in that way. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 12:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

== Polish name ==

{{u|Batreeq}}, I'm going to remove again, and I ask that you respect ] and seek consensus before restoring it. I'm not sure it should even be in the infobox, because I don't think that was the Polish name for it. The Polish name would have contained Oświęcim, not Auschwitz, so you need to find a contemporaneous source.


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But even with a source, there is no need for it in the first sentence. We have the English name because this is the English Misplaced Pages and the German name because that was its official name. That's enough. See ]. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 05:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Maybe where it says in the infobox location "German Occupied Poland" we could change it to "German Occupied Poland (1940-1945)
Brzezinka, Poland (1945-)" To show where the camp is now located ] (]) 17:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:It states in the top of the article that the concentration was primarily in the town of ] (Auschwitz). Do you have a source that states it was located in ] instead? ]<sup>]</sup> 04:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Sources

The historian Charles Sydnor has added a list of recommended sources for Auschwitz to his article about the camp in the USHMM Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos (volume 1, part A; for the sources, pp. 207–208). Download. Posting it here in case it's helpful. SarahSV

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  • Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum, eds., Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1994).
  • Debórah Dwork and Robert Jan van Pelt, Auschwitz: 1270 to the Present (New York: Norton, 1996).
  • Jean-Claude Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, trans. Peter Moss (New York: Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1989).
  • Robert Jan van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the David Irving Trial (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 2002).
  • Sybille Steinbacher, Auschwitz: A History, trans. Shaun Whiteside (New York: ECCO, 2005).
  • Danuta Czech, Auschwitz Chronicle 1939–1945 (New York: H. Holt, 1995).
  • Jonathan Webber and Connie Wilsack, Auschwitz: A History in Photographs, compiled originally by Teresa Swiebocka (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1993).
  • Martin Gilbert, Auschwitz and the Allies (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1981).
  • Wacław Długoborski and Franciszek Piper, Auschwitz 1940–1945: Central Issues in the History of the Camps, five volumes (Oświęcim: Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, 2000).
  • Peter F. Hayes, Industry and Ideology: I.G. Farben in the Nazi Era, 2nd ed. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000).
  • Josef Buszko, Auschwitz: Nazi Extermination Camp, 2nd ed. (Warsaw: Interpress Publishers, 1985).
  • Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, 3rd ed. (New Haven: Yale University Press, 2003).
  • For the Auschwitz garrison orders: Norbert Frei et al., Standort- und Kommandanturbefehle des Konzentrationslagers Auschwitz 1940–1945, vol. 1 of Darstellungen und Quellen zur Geschichte von Auschwitz (Munich: K.G. Saur, 2000).

Personal accounts

  • Rudolf Höss, Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz, ed. Steven Paskuly and trans. Andrew Pollinger (Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books, 1992).
  • Rudolf Vrba and Alan Bestic, I Cannot Forgive (New York: Bantam, 1964).
  • Primo Levi, The Drowned and the Saved, trans. Raymond Rosenthal (New York: Summit Books, 1988).
  • Hermann Langbein, People in Auschwitz, trans. Harry Zohn (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina, 2004).
  • Filip Müller with Helmut Freitag, Auschwitz Inferno: The Testimony of a Sonderkommando, ed. and trans. Susanne Flatauer (London: Routledge, Kegan Paul, 1979).
  • Janusz Nel Siedlecki, Krystyn Olszewski, and Tadeusz Borowski, We Were in Auschwitz, trans. Alicia Nitecki (1946; repr., New York: Welcome Rain Publishers, 2000).

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Maybe where it says in the infobox location "German Occupied Poland" we could change it to "German Occupied Poland (1940-1945) 

Brzezinka, Poland (1945-)" To show where the camp is now located Aromawyd (talk) 17:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
It states in the top of the article that the concentration was primarily in the town of Oświęcim (Auschwitz). Do you have a source that states it was located in Brzezinka instead? cyberdog958 04:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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