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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 December 2024 == |
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== "Restore images" == |
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I ] some images with edit summary "Image changes: (1) Move File:Map of Auschwitz and environs, 1944.jpg from Background to infobox; (2) replace File:Concentration camps in occupied Europe (2007 borders).png with File:WW2-Holocaust-Europe.png -- wrapped in {{tl|Image frame}} {{tl|Superimpose}} to add a circle around Auschwitz. Clunky but I think WW2 borders is worth it.", and {{user link|SlimVirgin}} effectively ] with edit summary "restore images". I'm sure there was a good reason for the revert, but might I request that it be made public? ]<sup>(])</sup> 16:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:There were several reasons for the revert. (1) Adding a third image to the infobox wasn't an improvement, especially when it's a map that readers would have to click on to see properly. (2) The 2007 borders for the concentration-camp map were chosen to make it easier for readers to make sense of; the 1942 map is linked in the caption for comparison. (3) The red circle you added isn't there when the map you added is clicked on and most needed; the current map doesn't have that problem. (4) The changes included increasing the size of one map, disturbing the visual integrity of the page, which consists of a series of images of roughly the same size, several within the multiple-image template. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 02:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|SlimVirgin}} thanks for responding. |
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::*I can't imagine how the 2007 borders make it easier for readers than the contemporary borders. This is not a locator map. I can't find any relevant MOS for or against the point, but it seems to me that, within Misplaced Pages as elsewhere, {{tooltip|contemporary maps|By which I mean maps of the contemporary situation, not necessarily maps made at the time in question.}} are and ought to be standard for explaining historical events. |
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::*On another note, I see you also restored ] in the ]. Five is a lot and they are already linked in the running text. I don't think any of them relates sufficiently closely to the topic for there to be much benefit in the extra emphasis of a see-also. Of course these five do give background information, but so do many other articles; why highlight these five in particular? |
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:::I've posted a note on talk about the arbitration remedy and sourcing in case you're not aware of it. If you have an appropriate source showing the 1942 map is accurate (and when in 1942), I'm happy to look at it. As for the links in the background section, they're "further information" links, not see also, and "why highlight these five", I'd have thought it obvious. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 18:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::::OK, so we can drop the "easier for readers" argument. As regards sourcing expectations, I'm not sure the sources for the 2007 map are much better (]). If the sources in the 1942 map are inadequate for showing the picture in this article, are they not also inadequate for linking to it in the caption to the 2007 map? Other articles, currently showing the 1942 map, will need to remove it per the same arbitration, e.g. ]. |
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::::At a minimum it is not obvious to me why ] is more worth highlighting than ], or ] more than ]. |
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:::::I don't understand what this means: "so we can drop the 'easier for readers' argument". I haven't dropped it. I try to focus on the reader all the time. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 20:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::<s>How would Wannsee Conference be part of the background?</s> ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 20:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::Note: I've just noticed that I got this article mixed up with ] when I wrote the above. My apologies. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 17:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::I am sure we both focus on the readers. My contention is that a map showing the 1942 borders would be more helpful for readers of this article than a map showing the 2007 borders. I understood from point #2 in your original 4-point comment that you had the opposite opinion; I understood from your 12 April comment that you were not pressing this point. Perhaps I misunderstood one or both comments. ]<sup>(])</sup> 15:52, 16 April 2021 (UTC) |
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== Discussion revival (archive 6): Polish name == |
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The Polish name is "Obóz koncentracyjny Auschwitz". – <span style="color: purple">]</span> <sup> (]) <span style="color: orange;">(])</span></sup> 01:40, 14 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:That's the museum. It wasn't a Polish camp. It was a German camp. That's why we have the German name in the first sentence. There's no need to mention a third language there. Anything else can go in the infobox. See ] about avoiding clutter. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::I disagree. Auschwitz was a German-run camp located in Poland. Therefore, the Polish name is relevant. It is permissible to list more than one additional language in the introduction; for example, ] lists six. The name cited to the museum which represents the establishment is certainly more reliable than a conjectured one using "Oświęcim". – <span style="color: purple">]</span> <sup> (]) <span style="color: orange;">(])</span></sup> 01:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:The issue of whether a Polish name should be added is interesting and I need to thinka about this further, but there is a major technical problem: what is the Polish name of this entity? TL;DR - I think there is no "one" name, and the entity is known under numerous synonyms. Polish people, colloquially, refer to this entity using the Polish, not German, town name ("Obóz koncentracyjny w Oświęcimiu"), simply b/c everyone knows the Polish name of the town, but only people interested in history know the German one. That said, pl wiki article is at ]. German is at ]. A review of Polish media and literature suggests both Polish and German names are used, to determine if there is a preferred, modern pattern or trend, more analysis would be needed. , . Anyway, in addition to Oświęcim vs Auschwitz (vs Auschwitz-Birkenau, as many Polish sources prefer to use A-B rather than just A name), there is also the usual issue of "concentration camp" vs "death camp" issue, just in Polish ("obóz koncentracyjny" vs "obóz zagłady", "obóz śmierci", maybe something else too). Oh, and re op, I think "Obóz koncentracyjny w Auschwitz" would be more grammatically correct than "Obóz koncentracyjny Auschwitz", but it is less popular (shrug). A plethora of minor variants due to Polish grammar make any search more complex than in English :( Not using the Polish name may be a reasonable way to avoid headache with determining what Polish name to use... --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:00, 14 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::Poland had no reason to name it at the time. Their relationship with it was that Poles were held there. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 02:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC) |
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== Hans Frank - NSDAP-politician, who were a main organisator of the holocaust == |
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the main organisator of the holocaust was ], a jurist, who made a political career in the nsdap and the judiciary ... |
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hans frank was the general governor of the german occupied poland ... all, that happened in poland, was coordinated and organised by Hans Frank ... also auschwitz is in poland ... hans frank was the main governor of auschwitz ... <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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Maybe where it says in the infobox location "German Occupied Poland" we could change it to "German Occupied Poland (1940-1945) |
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:Auschwitz was not in the ], it was in an area of Poland ]. ] (]) 00:59, 3 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Brzezinka, Poland (1945-)" To show where the camp is now located ] (]) 17:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:It states in the top of the article that the concentration was primarily in the town of ] (Auschwitz). Do you have a source that states it was located in ] instead? ]<sup>]</sup> 04:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
Maybe where it says in the infobox location "German Occupied Poland" we could change it to "German Occupied Poland (1940-1945)