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⚫ == more appropriate cover image? ==
== Lyrics ==


Should I include lyrics in every song I edit? ] (]) 07:00, 27 December 2022 (UTC) Would some sheet music not be a more appropriate cover image than a singer? just get some uncopyrighted sheet music, like that for a nursery rhyme ] (]) 14:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


:@]: no, lyrics should not be added to articles. See ] for our policy on that. You can add them to if the songs are in the public domain or are freely licensed, although most songs aren't. ] (]) 18:09, 27 December 2022 (UTC) :I don't think there's anything wrong with the current image, personally. A human singing is probably more universally understood than some sheet music—especially because understanding sheet music requires specialized knowledge that most readers lack. Just my $0.02. ] (]) 21:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
::] Thank You fellow Wikipedian ] (]) 14:21, 28 December 2022 (UTC)


⚫ :Many songs have not been transcribed into staff notation. Sheet music is notoriously incapable of specifying all the nuanced aspects of live performance; the best that can be expected is a sketch of the sound created by the singer interpreting the notes. Nothing wrong with Ms. Holiday's picture here. ] (]) 21:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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== About Our Lead Section Here... ==
"This is often done at distinct and fixed pitches (melodies) using patterns of sound and silence." Really? Who wrote this garbage? It's like a teenager trying to sound smart and important. ] (]) 04:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
:] and feel free to improve that, if anything. ]<sup>]</sup> 10:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


So yeah, before I registered, I edited this page but got reverted.
⚫ == more appropriate cover image? ==


Because, I feel like its preposterous, that EVERY SINGLE dictionary defenition of the word "Song" that I could find contains a form of the word "Sing", including Wiktionary.
Would some sheet music not be a more appropriate cover image than a singer? just get some uncopyrighted sheet music, like that for a nursery rhyme ] (]) 14:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


Let's look at every single dictionary defenition of the word song:
:I don't think there's anything wrong with the current image, personally. A human singing is probably more universally understood than some sheet music—especially because understanding sheet music requires specialized knowledge that most readers lack. Just my $0.02. ] (]) 21:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


Cambridge: a usually short piece of music with words that are SUNG
⚫ :Many songs have not been transcribed into staff notation. Sheet music is notoriously incapable of specifying all the nuanced aspects of live performance; the best that can be expected is a sketch of the sound created by the singer interpreting the notes. Nothing wrong with Ms. Holiday's picture here. ] (]) 21:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Merriam Webster: the act or art of SINGING

Dictionary.com:
a short metrical composition intended or adapted for SINGING, especially one in rhymed stanzas; a lyric; a ballad.

OED: the act or art of SINGING; vocal music; that which is SUNG.

Google: a short poem or other set of words set to music or meant to be SUNG.

Wiktionary: A musical composition with lyrics for voice or voices, performed by SINGING.

So WHY does this article's lead sentence not have a variation of the word "Sing" when its pretty much clear that SINGING is required to make a SONG and besides this word is used in every single dictionary defenition. Even Wiktionary knows.

Cheers,
LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist ] (]) 16:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @]! It's important to remember that ], so our articles need not (and in most cases should not) resemble one. Our ], particularly the ], says that we should write a concise overview of the subject, written for a non-specialist, and which stands by itself—which suggests we avoid anything that is circular or self-defining. Defining "song" with the gerund form "singing" does a disserve to our readers, by sending them off to read a different article rather than helping them here.
:But maybe I'm wrong. If you have suggestions for ways to phrase the first sentence that keeps readers on the page, I'm all ears. I'm also interested in comments from other editors. ] (]) 17:43, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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more appropriate cover image?

Would some sheet music not be a more appropriate cover image than a singer? just get some uncopyrighted sheet music, like that for a nursery rhyme DParkinson1 (talk) 14:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything wrong with the current image, personally. A human singing is probably more universally understood than some sheet music—especially because understanding sheet music requires specialized knowledge that most readers lack. Just my $0.02. Woodroar (talk) 21:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Many songs have not been transcribed into staff notation. Sheet music is notoriously incapable of specifying all the nuanced aspects of live performance; the best that can be expected is a sketch of the sound created by the singer interpreting the notes. Nothing wrong with Ms. Holiday's picture here. Just plain Bill (talk) 21:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

About Our Lead Section Here...

So yeah, before I registered, I edited this page but got reverted.

Because, I feel like its preposterous, that EVERY SINGLE dictionary defenition of the word "Song" that I could find contains a form of the word "Sing", including Wiktionary.

Let's look at every single dictionary defenition of the word song:

Cambridge: a usually short piece of music with words that are SUNG

Merriam Webster: the act or art of SINGING

Dictionary.com: a short metrical composition intended or adapted for SINGING, especially one in rhymed stanzas; a lyric; a ballad.

OED: the act or art of SINGING; vocal music; that which is SUNG.

Google: a short poem or other set of words set to music or meant to be SUNG.

Wiktionary: A musical composition with lyrics for voice or voices, performed by SINGING.

So WHY does this article's lead sentence not have a variation of the word "Sing" when its pretty much clear that SINGING is required to make a SONG and besides this word is used in every single dictionary defenition. Even Wiktionary knows.

Cheers, LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist (talk) 16:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @LoverOfAllAnimalsActivist! It's important to remember that Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary, so our articles need not (and in most cases should not) resemble one. Our Manual of Style on the lead section, particularly the section on the first sentence, says that we should write a concise overview of the subject, written for a non-specialist, and which stands by itself—which suggests we avoid anything that is circular or self-defining. Defining "song" with the gerund form "singing" does a disserve to our readers, by sending them off to read a different article rather than helping them here.
But maybe I'm wrong. If you have suggestions for ways to phrase the first sentence that keeps readers on the page, I'm all ears. I'm also interested in comments from other editors. Woodroar (talk) 17:43, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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