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	== ~~It’s~~ ~~not far-right~~ ==		== Ryan Girdusky ==

	It’s not far-right. ] (]) 22:49, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
	:See the FAQ at the top of this page, as stated in a big box when you posted labeled: "Please read this before posting an edit request for this protected article". ] (]) 22:53, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
	:Too much bias in this article. You're writing an encyclopedia entry not a fact supported opinion piece. ] (]) 19:48, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
	::What? ] (]) 09:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
	:::This is a propaganda article with corroborating opinions, not a true and factual piece. ] (]) 12:52, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
	::::But based upon facts, the IP said so. ] (]) 12:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
	:::::If your definition of "fact" is "propaganda", then yes, it is based upon "facts". ] (]) 13:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
	::::::I did not say it was, I said the IP said it was. I would sat it is based upon ]. ] (]) 13:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

	{{od\|6}} ]!? Pfft! Verifiable facts are ]. You're all clearly ignorant of ]!… Article and sources are ]. Naturally, ] may be the only solution to stop this ]. -- ] '''</sup></span>]] 23:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


	== Reception in the lead ==

	I thought that maybe I could propose a way to incorporate how the channel has been received into the lead. There already is a hint as to its reception with "The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories", but I find it interesting that the channel was viewed differently before the late-2010s. It seems, in its short-lived heyday, its ''reporting'' was viewed positively, rather than negatively as it is viewed now. After that, the reporting went full Trump mode.

	I will admit that the network came to enter the political sphere and widespread public consciousness only after it went full Trump mode, so it may be disproportionate to give a lot of coverage to its earlier reception. Nevertheless, I find it fascinating and sufficiently relevant to include in the lead to note the network's early journalistic U-turn. Therefore, I propose to add to the fourth paragraph the following:

	{{Talk quote block\|text=While <s>the channel was praised early on</s> there was early praise for its terse and impartial reporting, with its right-wing talk shows attracting criticism, <s>commentators and media pundits have since attacked it</s> it has since been attacked for ] and ].}}

	It probably conveys more information about how the public views the channel than just writing that it is "known" for conduct unbecoming a journalist. I would have added that sentence in right now, but I am not sure about whether this article's particular lead requires consensus for changes like this, given the level of scrutiny the article receives daily and the back-and-forth on this talk page over what the lead ought to be. ''']]]''' 01:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
	:I am not aware it began as a straight news outlet. Are their sources for that? ] (]) 01:20, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
	:Come to think of it, it is not just the pundits, but news agencies and even a scientific journal (a prestigious one, that is) that either has attacked it or at least considers it (which would tacitly convey disapproval) to spearhead falsehoods based on its record of such. The proposed sentence has thus been modified. Now, there seems to be confusion over what my proposal was supposed to be precisely, either because of a misreading, or because I revealed something I did not intend to. In case it is the latter, I based my analysis strictly on the Reception section. If I had claimed that it ''started'' as a straight news outlet, I am sorry for misleading you. Perhaps it did at first dabble into falsehoods and conspiracies before progressing to true news in its reporting, only to then revert back to its old tactics. Perhaps the honest reporting was just a ploy to draw in audience, only to then subject its viewers to the kind of brash paranoia that, frankly, feels insulting to my intellect. I cannot prove one way or the other how the channel started, which makes the original intent of the network all the more interesting, so I shall leave it at that. As a matter of fact, of what Marty Kaplan and Don Kaplan said of OANN, which seems to be that the reporting was good, but not the talk shows, Marty actually changed his mind by 2020 and said, as this article articulates it, that "where once the talk shows were 'sand traps' in a 'large field of green', the network 'fairly quickly' became 'more like the Sahara'". I realize that ''early on'' could be construed to mean "initially", so I changed the sentence to use "early". Whatever the merits of the edit (which I am glad I brought to the talk page first), the critiques could not have turned sour and begun contradicting earlier praises for nothing. If there is anything else to discuss, from what I am proposing to the merits thereof, I am here to oblige you. ''']]]''' 06:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
	::Some thoughts while I was away. When I made my edit suggestion, I acted with the understanding that the ] serves to summarize all aspects of the article contents. I should have understood it to summarize the most fundamental aspects, and so I thought that the article needed to summarize critical reception of the network, as opposed to just what it is infamous for.

	::I realize that my diction is flawed. For one, it may lend undue weight to past positive appraisals when it could just as well be shortened to {{xt\|Since 2017}} or {{xt\|Since the late-2010s}}. Its reporting style, in the form of straight reporting, which has been and is (or was) true for non-political stories, could be written into the article body, and perhaps also the lead. Another flaw was my suggestion of {{!xt\|attacked}}. The word is vague and could be understood as physical, rather than verbal or written. {{xt\|Criticized}} would do. ''']]]''' 07:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

			] redirects here, but is not explained in the article. Should he be mentioned, or should the redirect be deleted? I was checking to see if there was coverage in Misplaced Pages of . -- ] (]) 00:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
	== SOURCES, FIRST HAND INFORMATION ==

			:I too was redirected to this article after searching on "Ryan Girdusky", to find no mention of him at all on the page. I second the request to delete the redirect. ] (]) 00:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
	OAN follows journalism rules:
			::The redirect has been deleted. -- ] (]) 03:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
	1. Resources are to be used/named
			== Far-right ==
	2. Do not remove or add information
	3. Interjecting words such as my and I is forbidden! Unless the article/report is titled as commentary or talk show.
	4. Proof by way of first hand pictures and videos are acceptable and encouraged to back up information.

		⚫	The channel is not far-right. It is conservative. ] (]) 23:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

			:This is well supported. Our opinions don't matter. See the FAQ at the top of this page. ] (]) 01:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
	OAN follows these rules. I've seen many videos of politicians contradicting themselves!
			::The fact that it is called "far right," which is a collective option of only the far left, should be a matter of concern. This is an opinion, and an inaccurate one. The channel is right of center, but the far left doesn't understand that. ] (]) 05:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	Resources are usually mentioned.
			:::Per the FAQ at the top of the page, {{xt\|"the 'far-right' descriptor is ]. A ] resulted in unambiguous consensus to support the 'far-right' descriptor based on ], ] ] sources."}} See also the article (citation #1), which OANN published on its own website. — ''''']''' <small>]</small>'' 06:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2024 ==
	Other"news" stations can't claim the above.
	Pro Trump news? I saw all the below through live video on OAN:

			{{edit semi-protected\|One America News Network\|answered=yes}}
	* special events during his presidency such as:
			Please change the following:

			In December 2024, following disgraced former Congressman Matt Gaetz's withdrawal from his nomination to United States Attorney General by Donald Trump due to allegations of sexual assault, it was announced that Gaetz would be joining OAN to host a new show every weekday starting in January 2025.
	1. Ordered ISIS training bunkers to be destroyed through bombing in his first month. (Way outside of town).
	2. Gave his own money to financially help hurricane victims during his first month.
	3. Honored small black business owners at the White House with a meal. He named their business and first name while stating their first name shaking their hand.
	Prejudice? Only according to stations that hide what he did.

			to this:
	. Gave military ereedom to see a private updated and built in the USAand all medical needs by the vets choice.
	Had new planes and more other military equipment updated.
	6. Built most of the wall with his own money.
	7. January 6 protest. Capitol police ushered people to the front of the building who started breaking the windows. Maga people were pulling them back.
	And there's so much more.

			In December 2024, following former Congressman Matt Gaetz's withdrawal from his nomination to United States Attorney General by Donald Trump due to allegations of sexual assault, it was announced that Gaetz would be joining OAN to host a new show every weekday starting in January 2025. ] (]) 09:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Seemed undue at this time, as I noted in the edit description. ] (]) 18:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
	such :
⚫	as ~~inviting~~ ~~and~~ ~~honoring~~ by ~~name~~ of ~~both the business and black business~~ ] (]) 00:45, 7 November ~~2023~~ (UTC)

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Ryan Girdusky

Ryan Girdusky redirects here, but is not explained in the article. Should he be mentioned, or should the redirect be deleted? I was checking to see if there was coverage in Misplaced Pages of his banning from CNN. -- Beland (talk) 00:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I too was redirected to this article after searching on "Ryan Girdusky", to find no mention of him at all on the page. I second the request to delete the redirect. 2602:306:C4CE:91A9:397A:B764:372:1D33 (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The redirect has been deleted. -- Beland (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Far-right

The channel is not far-right. It is conservative. 68.162.214.184 (talk) 23:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

This is well supported. Our opinions don't matter. See the FAQ at the top of this page. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The fact that it is called "far right," which is a collective option of only the far left, should be a matter of concern. This is an opinion, and an inaccurate one. The channel is right of center, but the far left doesn't understand that. 2601:6C1:503:2F00:65AF:C4FC:7E27:2D14 (talk) 05:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Per the FAQ at the top of the page, "the 'far-right' descriptor is amply and reliably sourced. A prior request for comment resulted in unambiguous consensus to support the 'far-right' descriptor based on reliable, independent secondary sources." See also the article "DirecTV to drop far-right channel OAN from its service" (citation #1), which OANN published on its own website. — Newslinger talk 06:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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In December 2024, following disgraced former Congressman Matt Gaetz's withdrawal from his nomination to United States Attorney General by Donald Trump due to allegations of sexual assault, it was announced that Gaetz would be joining OAN to host a new show every weekday starting in January 2025.

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In December 2024, following former Congressman Matt Gaetz's withdrawal from his nomination to United States Attorney General by Donald Trump due to allegations of sexual assault, it was announced that Gaetz would be joining OAN to host a new show every weekday starting in January 2025. Bbpwnt (talk) 09:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Done Seemed undue at this time, as I noted in the edit description. LizardJr8 (talk) 18:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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