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there is an alternative definition - and an honourable one! I refer to menbers of the world's first Tank formation; the Royal Tank Regiment. This is the successor to the Royal Tank Corps, which itself was succeeded by the Royal Armoured Corps incorporating the old - and obsolete - Cavalry regiments. But THOSE are NOT TANKIES: who of course, RULE! Not that I myself could be accused of being in the the slightest prejudiced in any way...! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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:Not really relevant, I don't think. I've added sources about the use of the term ] ] 01:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC) |
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==Shouldn't the title be italicized== |
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should not the title be italicized, since the page is about a word. Other pages about words (see:You, Faggot (slang), I (pronoun), etc.) have their titles in italics, so shouldn't that be the case here as well? |
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I've added sources and so on. I think the ''topic'' is worth a mention - it's one of those phrases that get used in political culture in the UK. Whether it deserves a separate page, or merging, is another matter. ] ] 01:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:I think it belongs in wikitionary, not wikipedia.--] (]) 22:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC) |
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::Also, the further sections seem like original research - precisely one of the reasons this belongs in wikitionary.--] (]) 22:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Perhaps, but it's also the name of a faction, and reflective of the story of the perception of a current in British politics. There's more here than would get into Wiktionary. I've removed the two citation needed tags, and replaced with the Campbell reference. The way the term is used by Blair and Campbell indicates its currency, they drop it into conversation. Hope that is ok. |
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== Expanding the term's usage == |
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== as per AfD, #REDIRECT to Communist_Party_of_Great_Britain#Tankie == |
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"''Tankie'' is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies" should perhaps include the denial of atrocities, repressions and other such things by tankies. ] (]) 13:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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I have completed it.--] (]) 19:43, 30 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Left communists are not "anti-authoritarian" == |
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== Notability == |
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They're listed under anti-auth communists who use the term tankie. Arguably only council communists among them can be broadly categorized as such. ] (]) 10:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC) |
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{{u|Horse Eye Jack}}, I don't think this meets GNG. Coverage in RS doesn't appear to rise above the level of a mere definition, with the exception of the piece in the New Statesman. Additionally, the claims that the term was actually used in Czechoslovakia do not appear to be supported by the provided source, and seem a bit far-fetched given that Czechs and Slovaks aren't known for their use of English slang. In the absence of additional sources, I think that either restoring the redirect (and adding mention of its more recent use outside of the UK) or converting to a wiktionary redirect would be more appropriate. <sub>signed, </sub>] <sup>]</sup> 01:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{reply|Rosguill}}I’l admit The Independent obit was kind of hard to parse. The use by Boris Johnson appears notable and came after the last discussion. Actually all these sources did, there are also few I havent added which cover the modern use of the term a little more in-depth like . Plenty more sources to come, give it 24 hours? ] (]) 01:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Horse Eye Jack}}, I wasn't judging based on the past AfD; I think that the the depth of coverage in the provided sources doesn't really do much more than define the term, which would make this a better fit for wiktionary. I don't think BoJo's use of it amounts to much notability in itself, although it does raise the odds that an RS decided to give coverage to the term. As someone who's quite familiar with the term, 's description (as written by the article's author) is eyeroll inducing...how {{tq|strange}} is it really for a leftist to support the USSR's policies? The quoted Twitter description is better, although someone else could quibble with Carl Beijer's credentials. |
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::The depth of that last source is solid, although I'm not familiar with the source itself. Feel free to keep working on the article for now. <sub>signed, </sub>] <sup>]</sup> 01:55, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::At least if it gets merged back now it will be somewhat understandable and at least acknowledge that the term is used outside of the context of British leftism. ] (]) 02:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== non-NPOV, non-RS sentence == |
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I ] which violated ] and whose source is not a ]. |
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# The term ''tankie'' is pejorative, as the article correctly states. Per ], in particular ], we can't use pejorative terms in articles. More precisely: We can describe how such terms are used (which the rest of the article does), but we can't use them directly (which the sentence did). |
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# The source https://newbloommag.net does not meet the criteria of ]. As far as I can tell (e.g. and ), it's a blog run by a group of students. For example, all are written by the same person, namely the author of the article provided as a source. See ], ], ]. |
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If there's a reliable source stating that certain groups, e.g. certain members of the Chinese diaspora, have often been called ''tankies'' in the last few years or so, and that information is deemed relavant enough for inclusion in the article, we can add it. But one article from a group blog certainly isn't enough, and using a pejorative term for any group of people is never admissible. ] (]) 18:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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should not the title be italicized, since the page is about a word. Other pages about words (see:You, Faggot (slang), I (pronoun), etc.) have their titles in italics, so shouldn't that be the case here as well?
They're listed under anti-auth communists who use the term tankie. Arguably only council communists among them can be broadly categorized as such. Covertschreb (talk) 10:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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