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			== Urbanization/List of largest cities ==
	== "Adria region" ==

			At least for ], the list of largest cities in this article lists the population of the whole Tekirdag ''province'' as the population of the city of Tekirdag (which only encompasses a small part of the province). Might this be true for other (Turkish?) cities on the list, too? ] (]) 11:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
	I've reverted an that added "This region is sometimes referred to as the 'Adria region', which includes all countries of the former Yugoslavia plus Albania, or otherwise excludes Slovenia as well, and is usually utilised in the bussiness and commercial spheres", which cited a sprinkling of primary sources using that term. What such a claim would require is good secondary sources, which establish that this term is sometimes used and in which contexts. ] (]) 07:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

			== Link to page for Neologism ==
	:@]: we are having a debate about this term ]. Feel free to chime in. — <i>]</i><sup><nowiki>]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> 08:19, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

			Hi all, just wanted to point out that this page could link to the Misplaced Pages article for ] under the "Western Balkans" section. I was going to make the edit myself but saw this page was protected, so if someone with access wants to link it I think that would help enrich the article. Also, apologies in advance if I'm making a Misplaced Pages faux pas, I don't edit much. Thanks! ] (]) 22:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Jews of Bulgaria ==

			== Is the Balkans technically a peninsula? ==
	Article notes that Boris III "saved" the Jews. According to the[REDACTED] article on Boris III, it's a bit more complicated than that. Jews were denied citizenship in Bulgaria and the nation joined the Axis powers (the original text in this article said Boris III "resisted Hitler" but when you decide to join the Axis powers...) Jews in occupied lands were sent to the Nazi camps while the Bulgarian Jews proper were sent to forced labor camps. I edited the article to just state what happened, without using words to define the morality of the action. ] (]) 01:46, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
			Is the Balkans still considered to be a ]? Some people said that it does not meet the definition of peninsula, but what is the exact definition of peninsula anyway?

			If the Balkans is not a peninsula, then ], the ], and ] are probably not peninsulas too. Aren't they?
	== Ottoman Hungary ==

			] is weird and confusing.
	{{ping\|Wczeran}} In your eagerness of pointing out that Hungary is not part of the Balkans (with which I completely agree), I am afraid that you may end up confusing matters for the readers of the lede. Without your addition, the lede states that the term 'Rumelia' in the 19th century (and thus the term 'Balkan Peninsula') was used about the Ottoman provinces in Europe. At that time, Hungary had not been part of the OE for more than a century, so it was most obviously not included. Stating explicitly that Ottoman Hungary was an exception, gives the (false) impression that Hungary ''was'' part of the OE at the time, but not included in the term 'Rumelia'. Regards! ] (]) 12:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

			Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/xeu5ka6Kou
	:Hi, please see my most recent edit where this discrepancy has been addressed.
			] (]) 12:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	:With relation to the Balkans, and it’s location is southeast Europe, people may be misled into believing that Southeast Europe, and what is considered to be the Balkans, were the only regions that were under Ottoman Rule. Factually however, the regions that were once provinces of the Ottoman Empire spill into central Europe (Slovenia and Hungary). Hungary is excluded from definitions of the Balkans, despite its history with the Ottoman Empire, and Slovenia can also at times be excluded. I believe we should be more aware of these complex nuances, so that the article remains informative, and does not have to potential to mislead. ] (]) 12:52, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
	::I could not agree more! It is also important to keep the time aspect in mind. Geographical terms (and the borders of what they covered) have fluctuated over the centuries, not least in southeastern Europe. --] (]) 13:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

	== Semi-protected edit request on 15 ~~October~~ ~~2023~~ ==		== Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2025 ==

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			Demographics section of this page. First table shows turkeys inhabitants to be 11 million people. This is of course not correct. Newest numbers from 2024, estimates inhabitants of turkey to be: 85,372,377
	Where mentioned “From the dissolution of Yugoslavia six stated”, ‘Stated’ should be changed to ‘States’ ] (]) 23:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
	:~~{{done}}<!-- Template~~:~~ESp -->~~ ] (]) 01:29, 16 ~~October~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)		Source:https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TPS00001/default/table?lang=en ] (]) 10:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> That figure is for the population of ] only, as that is the region of Turkey that forms part of the Balkans. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 10:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

	== Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2023 ==
	In the Urbanization section, there are several Turkish cities where the population for the entire province is given instead of the city itself, and the source confirms this - eg Tekirdağ has a population of 204,001 and not over a million. Edirne and Kirklareli also have this issue; Istanbul does not.
	] (]) 23:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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Urbanization/List of largest cities

At least for Tekirdag, the list of largest cities in this article lists the population of the whole Tekirdag province as the population of the city of Tekirdag (which only encompasses a small part of the province). Might this be true for other (Turkish?) cities on the list, too? PragmaFisch (talk) 11:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Link to page for Neologism

Hi all, just wanted to point out that this page could link to the Misplaced Pages article for Neologism under the "Western Balkans" section. I was going to make the edit myself but saw this page was protected, so if someone with access wants to link it I think that would help enrich the article. Also, apologies in advance if I'm making a Misplaced Pages faux pas, I don't edit much. Thanks! Seanmorr122 (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Is the Balkans technically a peninsula?

Is the Balkans still considered to be a peninsula? Some people said that it does not meet the definition of peninsula, but what is the exact definition of peninsula anyway?

If the Balkans is not a peninsula, then Mainland Southeast Asia, the Horn of Africa, and Alaska are probably not peninsulas too. Aren't they?

Geography is weird and confusing.

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/xeu5ka6Kou 2001:8003:9100:2C01:2CBB:595:7402:F161 (talk) 12:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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Demographics section of this page. First table shows turkeys inhabitants to be 11 million people. This is of course not correct. Newest numbers from 2024, estimates inhabitants of turkey to be: 85,372,377 Source:https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TPS00001/default/table?lang=en Hrskaeeg (talk) 10:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Not done: That figure is for the population of European Turkey only, as that is the region of Turkey that forms part of the Balkans. Remsense ‥ 论 10:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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			== Urbanization/List of largest cities ==
	== "Adria region" ==

			At least for ], the list of largest cities in this article lists the population of the whole Tekirdag ''province'' as the population of the city of Tekirdag (which only encompasses a small part of the province). Might this be true for other (Turkish?) cities on the list, too? ] (]) 11:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
	I've reverted an that added "This region is sometimes referred to as the 'Adria region', which includes all countries of the former Yugoslavia plus Albania, or otherwise excludes Slovenia as well, and is usually utilised in the bussiness and commercial spheres", which cited a sprinkling of primary sources using that term. What such a claim would require is good secondary sources, which establish that this term is sometimes used and in which contexts. ] (]) 07:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

			== Link to page for Neologism ==
	:@]: we are having a debate about this term ]. Feel free to chime in. — <i>]</i><sup><nowiki>]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> 08:19, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

			Hi all, just wanted to point out that this page could link to the Misplaced Pages article for ] under the "Western Balkans" section. I was going to make the edit myself but saw this page was protected, so if someone with access wants to link it I think that would help enrich the article. Also, apologies in advance if I'm making a Misplaced Pages faux pas, I don't edit much. Thanks! ] (]) 22:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Jews of Bulgaria ==

			== Is the Balkans technically a peninsula? ==
	Article notes that Boris III "saved" the Jews. According to the[REDACTED] article on Boris III, it's a bit more complicated than that. Jews were denied citizenship in Bulgaria and the nation joined the Axis powers (the original text in this article said Boris III "resisted Hitler" but when you decide to join the Axis powers...) Jews in occupied lands were sent to the Nazi camps while the Bulgarian Jews proper were sent to forced labor camps. I edited the article to just state what happened, without using words to define the morality of the action. ] (]) 01:46, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
			Is the Balkans still considered to be a ]? Some people said that it does not meet the definition of peninsula, but what is the exact definition of peninsula anyway?

			If the Balkans is not a peninsula, then ], the ], and ] are probably not peninsulas too. Aren't they?
	== Ottoman Hungary ==

			] is weird and confusing.
	{{ping\|Wczeran}} In your eagerness of pointing out that Hungary is not part of the Balkans (with which I completely agree), I am afraid that you may end up confusing matters for the readers of the lede. Without your addition, the lede states that the term 'Rumelia' in the 19th century (and thus the term 'Balkan Peninsula') was used about the Ottoman provinces in Europe. At that time, Hungary had not been part of the OE for more than a century, so it was most obviously not included. Stating explicitly that Ottoman Hungary was an exception, gives the (false) impression that Hungary ''was'' part of the OE at the time, but not included in the term 'Rumelia'. Regards! ] (]) 12:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

			Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/xeu5ka6Kou
	:Hi, please see my most recent edit where this discrepancy has been addressed.
			] (]) 12:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	:With relation to the Balkans, and it’s location is southeast Europe, people may be misled into believing that Southeast Europe, and what is considered to be the Balkans, were the only regions that were under Ottoman Rule. Factually however, the regions that were once provinces of the Ottoman Empire spill into central Europe (Slovenia and Hungary). Hungary is excluded from definitions of the Balkans, despite its history with the Ottoman Empire, and Slovenia can also at times be excluded. I believe we should be more aware of these complex nuances, so that the article remains informative, and does not have to potential to mislead. ] (]) 12:52, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
	::I could not agree more! It is also important to keep the time aspect in mind. Geographical terms (and the borders of what they covered) have fluctuated over the centuries, not least in southeastern Europe. --] (]) 13:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

	== Semi-protected edit request on 15 ~~October~~ ~~2023~~ ==		== Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2025 ==

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			Demographics section of this page. First table shows turkeys inhabitants to be 11 million people. This is of course not correct. Newest numbers from 2024, estimates inhabitants of turkey to be: 85,372,377
	Where mentioned “From the dissolution of Yugoslavia six stated”, ‘Stated’ should be changed to ‘States’ ] (]) 23:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
	:~~{{done}}<!-- Template~~:~~ESp -->~~ ] (]) 01:29, 16 ~~October~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)		Source:https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TPS00001/default/table?lang=en ] (]) 10:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> That figure is for the population of ] only, as that is the region of Turkey that forms part of the Balkans. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 10:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

	== Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2023 ==
	In the Urbanization section, there are several Turkish cities where the population for the entire province is given instead of the city itself, and the source confirms this - eg Tekirdağ has a population of 204,001 and not over a million. Edirne and Kirklareli also have this issue; Istanbul does not.
	] (]) 23:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)