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== Urbanization/List of largest cities ==
== Ottoman Hungary ==


At least for ], the list of largest cities in this article lists the population of the whole Tekirdag ''province'' as the population of the city of Tekirdag (which only encompasses a small part of the province). Might this be true for other (Turkish?) cities on the list, too? ] (]) 11:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|Wczeran}} In your eagerness of pointing out that Hungary is not part of the Balkans (with which I completely agree), I am afraid that you may end up confusing matters for the readers of the lede. Without your addition, the lede states that the term 'Rumelia' in the 19th century (and thus the term 'Balkan Peninsula') was used about the Ottoman provinces in Europe. At that time, Hungary had not been part of the OE for more than a century, so it was most obviously not included. Stating explicitly that Ottoman Hungary was an exception, gives the (false) impression that Hungary ''was'' part of the OE at the time, but not included in the term 'Rumelia'. Regards! ] (]) 12:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


== Link to page for Neologism ==
:Hi, please see my most recent edit where this discrepancy has been addressed.
:With relation to the Balkans, and it’s location is southeast Europe, people may be misled into believing that Southeast Europe, and what is considered to be the Balkans, were the only regions that were under Ottoman Rule. Factually however, the regions that were once provinces of the Ottoman Empire spill into central Europe (Slovenia and Hungary). Hungary is excluded from definitions of the Balkans, despite its history with the Ottoman Empire, and Slovenia can also at times be excluded. I believe we should be more aware of these complex nuances, so that the article remains informative, and does not have to potential to mislead. ] (]) 12:52, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::I could not agree more! It is also important to keep the time aspect in mind. Geographical terms (and the borders of what they covered) have fluctuated over the centuries, not least in southeastern Europe. --] (]) 13:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


Hi all, just wanted to point out that this page could link to the Misplaced Pages article for ] under the "Western Balkans" section. I was going to make the edit myself but saw this page was protected, so if someone with access wants to link it I think that would help enrich the article. Also, apologies in advance if I'm making a Misplaced Pages faux pas, I don't edit much. Thanks! ] (]) 22:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Is the Balkans technically a peninsula? ==
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Is the Balkans still considered to be a ]? Some people said that it does not meet the definition of peninsula, but what is the exact definition of peninsula anyway?
Where mentioned “From the dissolution of Yugoslavia six stated”, ‘Stated’ should be changed to ‘States’ ] (]) 23:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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If the Balkans is not a peninsula, then ], the ], and ] are probably not peninsulas too. Aren't they?
== Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2023 ==
In the Urbanization section, there are several Turkish cities where the population for the entire province is given instead of the city itself, and the source confirms this - eg Tekirdağ has a population of 204,001 and not over a million. Edirne and Kirklareli also have this issue; Istanbul does not.
] (]) 23:29, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


] is weird and confusing.
== "Paleo-Balkan" languages ==


Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/xeu5ka6Kou
The following language has been added to the article: {{tq|Albanian, Greek, and other Palaeo-Balkan languages, had their formative core in the Balkans after the Indo-European migrations in the region.}}, sourced to Friedman 2022 and Lazaridis et al. 2022 . Modern Greek and Albanian are not classified as "Paleo-Balkan" (although the ancestor of Albanian is). I have full of access to both sources, and neither backs the language used. No page number is given for Friedman, who anyway makes no mention of "Paleo=Balkan" anywhere, and Lazaridis uses {{tq|Greek, Palaeo-Balkan languages, and Albanian}}, i.e. does not include Greek and Albanian among the "Paleo-Balkan languages". Further down Lazaridis et al. state {{tq|Together with the extraordinary heterogeneity in autosomal ancestry in the Balkans, a picture emerges of a fragmented genetic landscape that may well parallel the poorly understood linguistic diversity in the ancient Balkans which among IE languages includes Paleo-Balkan speakers prior to the spread of Latin and Slavic, with Albanian the only surviving representative.}} I realize it is extremely important to some people to prove to the world that their language is "paleo-Balkan" and I don't care about that. But, Greek is nowhere described as "Paleo-Balkan", and source falsification, especially on such a high visibility article is an absolute no-no. ] (]) 15:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 12:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:] is used to refer to those languages that emerged after the Indo-European migrations in the region and were there before the Roman period. Both Albanian and Greek, which are among the major branches of the Indo-European language family, are included in that group in current linguistics. So that wording is accurate. If you want to distinguish Greek from the Paleo-Balkan grouping, then seek consensus to remove that language from the relevant article (]). – ] (]) 15:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

::Your post is original research. The sources you have added do not in any way back the wording you have used. One does not even mention Paleo-Balkan languages, the other is falsified. If the above post is your best attempt at a justification, additional community input will be sought. ] (]) 16:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::My post is not original research, it is based on Friedman 2022: , , ; and also the source Lazaridis et al. 2022 is talking about the post-PIE Balkan languages. If you argue that the labelling ']' is not directly mentioned by those sources, you can propose another wording of the relevant languages if you find it, but the link to ] would be the same because the sources are talking about that group of IE languages. – ] (]) 16:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

::::Friedman refers to the ], something completely different from ]. Lazaridis separate modern Greek and Albanian from Paleo-Balkan. The wording I had added exactly from Lazaridis. ] (]) 19:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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:::::] = Palaeo-Balkan sprachbund. And Friedman 2022 is talking about the history of the language contact in the Balkans, from pre-Indo-European times to modern times, the section being titled "The Balkans as a Historical Linguistic Space". – ] (]) 19:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Demographics section of this page. First table shows turkeys inhabitants to be 11 million people. This is of course not correct. Newest numbers from 2024, estimates inhabitants of turkey to be: 85,372,377
::::::{{tq|Palaeo-Balkan languages <nowiki>=</nowiki> Palaeo-Balkan sprachbund}} Are you kidding me with this? Did you even look at Friedman or ]? ] is about the ''modern languages'', including Slavic languages, Romanian, etc. This is also what Friedman is referring to. Nothing whatsoever to do with Paleo-Balkan languages like Illyrian, Thracian and Dacian. I'm starting to wonder here. ] (]) 20:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Source:https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TPS00001/default/table?lang=en ] (]) 10:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{tq|I realize it is extremely important to some people to prove to the world that their language is "paleo-Balkan" and I don't care about that.}} Hahaha I know, there are some desperate people who spend their days trolling on various online fora (BalkanInsight, Kathimerini etc), but Bato and I are not that kind of loser. Do not assume bad faith on us. Thanks, ] (]) 20:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> That figure is for the population of ] only, as that is the region of Turkey that forms part of the Balkans. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff">&nbsp;‥&nbsp;</span>]</span> 10:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{reply|Khirurg}} it seems you did not read Friedman's chapter (here are the pages I cited above , , ). He talks about all known linguistic eras of the Balkans, also about the Indo-European migrations and later. And yes, ] is at least an ], i.e. a prehistoric "]", since the genetic relationship between those languages is still a matter of research, but contacts among those neighboring languages occurred. – ] (]) 20:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Anyway, both cited sources are talking about the post-Proto-Indo-European languages of the Balkans, and the Misplaced Pages article about them is ]. – ] (]) 20:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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Urbanization/List of largest cities

At least for Tekirdag, the list of largest cities in this article lists the population of the whole Tekirdag province as the population of the city of Tekirdag (which only encompasses a small part of the province). Might this be true for other (Turkish?) cities on the list, too? PragmaFisch (talk) 11:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Link to page for Neologism

Hi all, just wanted to point out that this page could link to the Misplaced Pages article for Neologism under the "Western Balkans" section. I was going to make the edit myself but saw this page was protected, so if someone with access wants to link it I think that would help enrich the article. Also, apologies in advance if I'm making a Misplaced Pages faux pas, I don't edit much. Thanks! Seanmorr122 (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Is the Balkans technically a peninsula?

Is the Balkans still considered to be a peninsula? Some people said that it does not meet the definition of peninsula, but what is the exact definition of peninsula anyway?

If the Balkans is not a peninsula, then Mainland Southeast Asia, the Horn of Africa, and Alaska are probably not peninsulas too. Aren't they?

Geography is weird and confusing.

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/s/xeu5ka6Kou 2001:8003:9100:2C01:2CBB:595:7402:F161 (talk) 12:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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Demographics section of this page. First table shows turkeys inhabitants to be 11 million people. This is of course not correct. Newest numbers from 2024, estimates inhabitants of turkey to be: 85,372,377 Source:https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TPS00001/default/table?lang=en Hrskaeeg (talk) 10:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: That figure is for the population of European Turkey only, as that is the region of Turkey that forms part of the Balkans. Remsense ‥ 论 10:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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