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Heyy! Can you please restore ] page in my personal space, so I could continue improving it until it's ready to be published again? Thanks! --] (]) 16:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
I'm quite certain there are older revisions of the talk page for this article - could you restore these as part of the userification? | |||
*I'll have a look. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:05, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
**Can you check I got them all back? ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
***It's kind of hard for me to check that given that I can't see deleted revisions. All I can say is that it seems you now deleted the latest revisions (the ones that were there before I made this request). ] (]) 21:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
**** I can't see any deleted revisions at either your user space or the original location so they must all be restored. I dunno what date the stuff on the page was at but it must be somewhere in the history now. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:35, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
***** You're probably right - I now think what was there before was simply an old revision that had been restored by the other administrator, not a new one. ] (]) 21:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
Also, I would like to clarify that I wasn't attacking anyone - merely stating my opinion (perhaps a bit harshly). ] (]) 20:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
*You labelled everyone you disagreed with in a way designed to devalue their opinions. This is utterly unacceptable and won't be tolerated the next time if I'm around DRV. You can disagree with someone without calling them names and you are lucky I was on a wikibreak as I would have closed the DRV out of hand. Please don't do it again. Users who challenge XFD outcomes need a neutral supportive place to work through the deletion and if we haven't lost them after the XFD we will have after an agreesive DRV. Thanks. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:05, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
**While there isn't much point in arguing about this now, I would like to note that I did not in fact call anyone names at all - the so-called attack that was referred to on that page was something else entirely. ] (]) 21:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
***Some of your labels - "the delete crowd" * "deletionist bias" * "You're clearly a deletionist" * " you can see that anyone who doesn't want this article restored doesn't want to follow Misplaced Pages policy" - All of these are polemic statements that add no value to the discussion and just make you look strident and agressive. You can surely express yourself as clearly without needing to be so dismissive of those you disagree with?? ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
****Given the number of essays on the subject, I thought calling people "deletionists" wasn't considered an attack at all (and the latter statement obviously isn't an attack). If there's some policy against this that I'm not aware of, I'd appreciate you providing me with a link to it. ] (]) 21:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
*****You are right about that and in retrospect I shouldn't have used the term attack on the close. I have therefore removed the comment with my apologies. That said, it was labelling and that can be just as bad. I firmly believe that labelling people you disagree with isn't acceptable as it cheapens and coarsens the discussion and raises the temperature unnecesserily - and frankly adds no value. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
******I appreciate the removal of that statement. I do see your point despite not fully agreeing with it, and as I stated below, I will try to be less aggressive in similar future discussions. ] (]) 21:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
**I'll definitely try to be less aggressive next time, though. ] (]) 21:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
***Pleased to hear it. You will get a better discussion too with users more willing to chip in. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
I've just found out that the userified page is still protected. ] (]) 21:00, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
*I'll fix that. I didn't know protection moved with a page. ] <sup>'']''</sup> | |||
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* While I think delete was a reasonable close and so the redirect should not have been overturned (I don't think non-public is so well defined that it clearly doesn't apply to her), I think your closing statement was clear and reasonable. Hard close, nice job. ] (]) 03:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
* I want to add my voice to those applauding the close in this case. ] (]) 03:52, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
**Thanks for the kind comments. Usually it only takes me a few minutes to close a DRV but this one took well over an hour while I reread all the policy and the AFD and considered the DRV. I'm glad to see the time wasn't wasted. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 09:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
*Yeah, I was generally the same direction as Hobit on this one but I respect the effort you put into the close and your reading of consensus there. As above - hard close, nice job. ]] 14:33, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Hello Spartaz, Thank you for your help and your advices. As you noticed it, english is not my first language and I am French. Callicore is french too but works with english and amercican artists, that's why I try to write the article on english Misplaced Pages. I tried before on french[REDACTED] where the "admission criterion" was ok about the webby Award and the nomination Grammy Awards 2009 as co-editor and illustrator. But it wasn't enough because they seems don't really know what was a Weebby Awards, a Grammy, ... And how famous it is. So they suggest me to add more sources even if the Webby was enougt. Then I tried the english way (what i am doing right now) and hope you see and undertand what i am talking about :-) I gonna ask "The French wikiproject" for help. And thank for trying to correct my terrible english on my user page it was very nice, I am sure it wasn't easy! Callicore does only animated music video, not recording :-) ] (]) 16:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
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:Spartaz: We've wikified this article (still in Anaëlle M's userspace). I'm still not 100% on notability, however, and wanted to know what you thought. I think an argument can be made for notability based on their video receiving Webby honoree (]), along with an MTV interview of the studio founder (and an interview for French Channel 4), plus their general body of work (they've created videos for several notable artists). They're a "background" sort of studio, however, so there isn't an ideal amount of source material. ] (]) 14:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Can you please have a look and let me know if this is something we can discuss? Many thanks! ] (]) 13:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
Its pretty clear he is trying to flout the rules as flagrantly as possible as a giant finger. Might as well delete ] (And PoD's addition there wasn't super nice either) ] (]) 15:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
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: Spartaz, in your arbitration statement, I suggest you delete the words after "This is turning into an unpleasant habit" and through to the end of the sentence. I understand the point you were trying to make, but Mark could (rightly) be upset or angry at being compared to a notorious, abusive sock master. Just a suggestion. Regards, ] ]] 12:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
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::::What an excellent comparison! He has his POV too, of course - just hides it better. (Except of course that old favourite, the circumnavigation of Africa rejected for its one telling detail as if by an editor that, having been taught the compass points in school, just knows that can't be right.) Still, I love that modern archaeology suggests he knew a lot more about Scythians than his Victorian detractors ever guessed. ] (]) 14:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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*Spartaz, you said "The nominator asked me", but it was pbp back that asked you, not Kww who was the nominator. They both say about the same thing most times, so its easy to get them confused. Doesn't really matter though, the outcome would've been the same no matter what. ] 16:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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I object to being lumped in with PBP, and I object to the closing of the DRV. Hat off the childish sniping between Dream Focus and PBP, but the close was and remains invalid.—](]) 16:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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::Reverting an invalid close ("per request of the nominator" when the nominator did ''not'' request) would be pretty reasonable. There's no clear consensus to support the prohibition on future AFDs, and I still want to see that stricken. I'm simply giving Spartaz a chance to correct his error rather than override his premature close. If you and PBP would behave yourselves, we would be able to discuss problematic articles without the discussions descending to these depths.—](]) 16:54, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah, no reason to close this early. The AFD ran the full time, let the DRV run the full time too.--] (]) 16:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::{{ec}}Kww, by now it should be pretty obvious that, no matter how much you or I disagree with the nomination being closed as keep, the DRV didn't have a prayer of going our way. I considered taking it to DRV myself, but didn't because I suspected that it would end up exactly the way it did. I only participated in the DRV because by the time I found out about it, some pretty ridiculous things had been said. Had I known my participation would result in Dream Focus, Cyclopia and Warden attacking contributions I made that had nothing to with the DRV or the most recent nomination, I might not have participated at all. I resent your comment that I "need to behave myself"; I'm just correcting attacks and misstatements leveled against me. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 16:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::First of all, many apologies to Spartaz for the endless bitching going on ''also'' on his talk page. That said, very briefly: Pbp, stop whining you're a victim. You're not. You're not being attacked anymore than you attack me. There are actually no attacks whatsoever, apart from your constant accusations of being attacked. --]] 17:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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::::::You start this by calling out three of us by name, then whine that people are making it personal if they mention yours. Seriously, why do you keep dragging out this ridiculous playing the victim routine? Stop distorting things. Anyone can look at what was actually said. ] 17:32, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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*Spartaz, I'm concerned about this as well. Even though I (conditionally) endorsed Coffee's close, what bothers me is that tag-team disruptive editing has been rewarded by the early closure of a DRV in accordance with the disruptive editor's wishes, which seems badly amiss to me. I know Pbp has asked for the discussion to be closed but he wasn't alone! Even though I don't agree with KWW's position he deserves the full 168 hours to make his case. Please will you consider re-factoring the discussion to remove disruptive comments and re-opening the DRV? (Disruptive comments that should be removed ''do'' include the unjustified and off-topic insinuations about the Article Rescue Squadron.)—] <small>]/]</small> 17:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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::a) It's been reopened, b) Which ARS comments? Kww, Warden, and I all made ARS comments, in that order chronologically <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 17:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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:::All of them. Whether or not you're right, DRV isn't the place to discuss perceived issues with the ARS and such discussions spark drama.—] <small>]/]</small> 17:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
*'''Support''' the idea of early closing the DRV per ], ], ], ], &c. ] (]) 17:40, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::The close has been reverted. I'm sure Spartaz would appreciate it if we didn't darken this page further.--] (]) 17:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::::Indeed. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 17:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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I see you closed this DRV as allowing recreation, and it seems to be a fine close. I notice however that you left {{tl|tempundelete}} on the page. Did you intend to leave the history for the page undeleted so that it could be recreated directly from this history? Or should the page be deleted so that a fresher draft is mandated? Best, ] (]) 12:55, 6 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
*I have rolled it back to the last clean revision before deletion. Clearly this needs further improvement. Thanks for reminding me to clean up after myself. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 16:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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As per ] I have created the article with minimal contents. This can serve as a ground where we can have discussion for further improvements. I also have a new userspace draft at ]. The article is based on reliable secondary sources. I really think that the article can be improved with help of interested editors, but its being deleted on superficial grounds. '''I request permission to move the article (]) to main article space'''. ] (]) 10:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
I must stress that most of the reviewers clearly said that the article must have a chance to go through AFD, but if you say that the material I have added, cannot be there at all, it would have no chance of getting discussed; even at AFD. This was not the consensus. ] (]) 11:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
*What came clearly through the discussion was that you had problems with POV and use of sources/OR. I'd suggest that rather then try to write the article yourself you would be better asking one of the india topic experts who contributed to the AFd/DRV to work with you to create the article. That way you have more chance of keeping your article and will also have the chance to learn better how we do things round here. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 20:58, 13 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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I was told to come to the deleteing admin i would like to express my concern that the nominater of said page is extremely biased againt pages like this these pages have been considered notable for years and there were onlyn2 particpents in the afd including the nominator who i feel is biased ] (]) 21:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Hi Spartaz. Can you please unprotect this page so I may change it to a disambiguation between ] and ]? Thanks. | |||
*{{done}} ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
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I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2007. When we first started there was so much idealism and we really had no strong policies about inclusion except a desire to have some level of sourcing. As time moved on we became more structured and around the time I became an admin in 2007 we were grappling with the concept of collapsing non notable articles into lists which I was at the forefront of as a regular afd closer and constant presence at DRV. I had a lot of patience once and for that reason was regular DRV closer for a long time after GR Berry left the project. Sadly, my patience was degraded over time and getting involved in the PORNBIO wars pretty much washed out a lot of the good faith that policy and courtesy quite rightly requires us to show. This was again a major change in our approach to content and one of the first SNGs that was deprecated in favour of a more rigid approach to proper sourcing. Since then our content in this area has become much better and we are seeing similar struggles now in the sports arena where SNGs are slowly giving way to GNG level standards.
I have always taken a very legalistic approach to closing discussions that I recognise does not fit well to the current community standard, where low participation level allowing more brigading of votes or allowing more non-policy based arguments. For this reason I'm not really closing discussions but will still happily review old closes. Otherwise I mostly review and nominate unsuitable content as a BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.
i am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources?
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Declaration: I recently logged into my daughter's account to upload and post some images to her sandbox for her university course. For privacy reasons I will not be publicly disclosing her account but will do so privately to any admin in good standing. This was a one time thing and there is no intention for me to edit further using her account. By the way uploading images on mobile is needlessly difficult event for a user who has been around since 2006.... Spartaz 15:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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Heyy! Can you please restore Masha Danilova page in my personal space, so I could continue improving it until it's ready to be published again? Thanks! --Oleh325 (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Good Afternoon, Can you please userfy the deleted article for me?
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