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| Do you know what exactly am I supposed to do from here? I assume the article isn't suddenly immune from deletion, so... I think it's pretty obvious that article should've ended up deleted. Do I wait and start a second AfD? Take it to Deletion Review? It just seems really weird. — ] <sup>(])</sup> 07:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| *drv will be very unlikely to entertain an appeal for this. The long and the short is that Wgolf should not have canvassed and it destroyed the discussion. I can't see how any of the canvassed users can nominate or participate in future discussions with clean hands. I suggest you leave it someone uninvolved to pick this up in due course. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 08:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :::I'm not the one who canvassed and ruined the discussion so its pointless being passive aggressive with me. I have teenage kids so its water off a duck's back. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 10:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| *The discussion was worthless because of the use of the notification system for canvassing delete votes so I'm afraid I'm not reclosing this. I suggest you wait a while and renominate and hope that the canvassing isn't repeated. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 19:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| *Consensus was clear and the policy based votes were to delete. Location means nothing and your other argument - of a single source - did not meet the requirement for ''multiple'' reliable sources. Sorry. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 19:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| **I disagree. All votes were policy-based, with two arguing delete, one arguing keep, and one arguing probable delete pending review of sources. More important, Bali88 did not get to update the "probable delete" vote based on review of the new sources that I added. I'm not saying the overall verdict should have been "keep," but I believe the discussion should have been relisted to allow Bali88 to review all the facts. If he had decided "delete," that would be that. I don't know what you mean by "location doesn't matter." I don't remember bringing up location at any point. Again, thank you for your clarification. ] (]) 20:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ***Your keep argument started '' the organization has had a permanent presence on the Lawn of Thomas Jefferson's Academical Village''. I'm not sure how I was supposed to interpret that except as a reference to location. And there were 2 delete (nominator counts), 1 probable delete (all 3 reflecting policy) and your non-policy based keep. That equals a delete consensus when consensus is measured by arguments against policy. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 20:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello. You closed the pawn deletion discussion with delete citing lack of sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pawn_%28scripting_language%29 | |||
| But I listed at least two ] sources, and updated the article with them. And an editor previous voting for delete changed it's vote to keep after seeing that. All the delete votes were cast before I edited the original article with the new sources. There was no lack of sources (IMHO) nor consensus for deletion. Please review your decision. ] (]) 19:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| *Are these the same sources you gave in the AFD where two very experienced editors still voted to delete afterwards? ] <sup>'']''</sup> 19:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ** That was in 2 April. After Neutrality voted delete I went again to search for more sources and posted them in 5 April. Piotrus aparently didn't even read any of that, as it said "Self-published (creator's website) references only". Then I went to update the article itself. After that Be..anyone changed his vote. The other two didn't apear again to say if they changed their opinion or not after that. ] (]) 20:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| **** I think you can see the history of the article. The main ones were the Dr. Dobbs article and the page in that book (that is a real mainstream printed book where it costs to them to add one extra page). And also the notable software/games that use/used it. In the deletion page I also listed lots of evidence that it is widely used by many groups unrelated to the language authors, as an informal pledge for notability, to show it is not a pet project or commercial spam. ] (]) 21:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| **** Any update? ] (]) 17:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| **I wouldn;t accept DrDobbs as a reliable source - from their 'about' page ''the articles in DDJ are often written by the readers of DDJ'' and the author of that article is not on their staff. I found a copy of the 1st edition of the book online and couldn't find a reference to the subject. Obviously its not the second edition, but if all you have is that it won't be enough. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 06:53, 30 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| *** Even if not written by their staff, it is revised and published by them, and they have proven themselves as a reliable source over the years. As for the book, you can find searching for Pawn on google books | |||
| *** And now a little rant: It is a programming language, not a politician. The pawn manual is probably the most reliable and extensive source on the language, being extended and revised for over a decade. And right behind are the wiki pages I linked on the forks, that were likely written by the fork developers itself and maybe with little corrections from the users. Of course they fail the general[REDACTED] guidelines for reliability as primary/self published/user generated, but common sense indicates that they are probably reliable for technical matters. Misplaced Pages kinda recognizes that in ]. The reason for disallowing self published content is that "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field". But someone who created a game engine using this language and supported it and it's relatively large user and developer base for years is not simply "anyone" anymore, even if he isn't a distinguished academic. | |||
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I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2007. When we first started there was so much idealism and we really had no strong policies about inclusion except a desire to have some level of sourcing. As time moved on we became more structured and around the time I became an admin in 2007 we were grappling with the concept of collapsing non notable articles into lists which I was at the forefront of as a regular afd closer and constant presence at DRV. I had a lot of patience once and for that reason was regular DRV closer for a long time after GR Berry left the project. Sadly, my patience was degraded over time and getting involved in the PORNBIO wars pretty much washed out a lot of the good faith that policy and courtesy quite rightly requires us to show. This was again a major change in our approach to content and one of the first SNGs that was deprecated in favour of a more rigid approach to proper sourcing. Since then our content in this area has become much better and we are seeing similar struggles now in the sports arena where SNGs are slowly giving way to GNG level standards.
I have always taken a very legalistic approach to closing discussions that I recognise does not fit well to the current community standard, where low participation level allowing more brigading of votes or allowing more non-policy based arguments. For this reason I'm not really closing discussions but will still happily review old closes. Otherwise I mostly review and nominate unsuitable content as a BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.
i am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources?
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Heyy! Can you please restore Masha Danilova page in my personal space, so I could continue improving it until it's ready to be published again? Thanks! --Oleh325 (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Good Afternoon, Can you please userfy the deleted article for me?
https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jorge_Gracie_(2nd_nomination)
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Sophie clarke
I was told to come to the deleteing admin i would like to express my concern that the nominater of said page is extremely biased againt pages like this these pages have been considered notable for years and there were onlyn2 particpents in the afd including the nominator who i feel is biased Wwew345t (talk) 21:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
AfD on Shivkrupanand Swami
An article on Shivkrupanand Swami that was deleted in 2020 was recreated last year. I reviewed it during New Page Review and have nominated it for deletion. I am notifying all non-blocked participants in the 2020 AfD. The new AfD is here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Shivkrupanand Swami (2nd nomination). Thank you. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)