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			== Black American Timeline ==
	== Earlier uses of the word "jazz" ==

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	I have found earlier uses of the word jazz, although not in newspapers. The reliance on newspaper uses is misguided for several reasons: (1) "jazz," "jass," "jaz" and "jas" had vulgar connotations, and would not make it past an editor on a newspaper of general circulation; (2) it is highly unlikely that California newspapers had Black reporters or editors in the first decade of the twentieth century to inform the white sports reporters what the word "jazz" meant--one of the California articles cited simply throws up its hands and say "'Jazz' stands for whatever you want it to." (June 22, 1913 San Francisco paper); (3) baseball teams also weren't integrated at the time, so unlikely there would have been any Black players around to set their white teammates/coaches straight.
		⚫	Could someone add the black music history template? ] (]) 21:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
		⚫	* Done. ] (]) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Images ==
	The earlier uses I have found are as follow:

			{{Ping\|NebulaNavigator77}} We've got way too many images in here now. Some of them are not appropriate, for example we've got Dizzy Gillespie in the Afro-Cuban jazz (cu-bop) section, which is fine, but then we've also got him again in the Afro-Cuban jazz renaissance section. He is not even mentioned in that section, and even if he was, we don't need another photo of him here when we've already got one associated with Afro-Cuban jazz. Even if we did, a photo of him from 1955 isn't appropriate in a section that is about something that happened in the late 1970s.
	1. Gunther Schuller interview of George Morrison, born in 1891 in Fayette, Missouri. Morrison says he first heard the word "jazz" in 1911--and says he remembers the year clearly because it was also the year of his marriage. This interview appears in Schuller's "Early Jazz: Its Roots and Musical Development," p. 362. Morrison painted the word "Jazz" on the side of the car that he used to drive his band to gigs.

			Also, please do not add pixel params to images. See ]. ] (]) 04:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	2. Ray Lopez, New Orleans trumpeter, told Samuel Charters he first heard the term in 1912 in New Orleans, "Trumpet Around the Corner: The Story of New Orleans Jazz," p. 117. He says he heard it at a vaudeville rehearsal.

			== Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2025 ==
	3. Wilbur Sweatman, born in 1882 in Brunswick, Missouri, told Jelly Roll Morton that he invented jazz before Morton, playing in the Ozarks in Missouri, John Szwed, liner notes to Jelly Roll Morton: The Library of Congress Recordings by Alan Lomax, Rounder Records CD 11661-1897-2, citing Roy Carew interview on deposit at the University of Chicago. Sweatman was nearly a decade older than Morton; the most extensive account of his life is "That's Got 'Em: The Life and Music of Wilbur C. Sweatman," Mark Berresford, University Press of Mississippi, 2010.

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	The Indianapolis Freeman, the Variety Magazine of the Black vaudeville circuit, reported in 1906 that Sweatman was playing jazz as early as 1906: "Little did we think that Mr. Sweatman's original style of playing would be adopted by the great jazz artists of today; but it is and Mr. Sweatman can claim the honor of being the first to establish it."
			Change introduction too reflect historical accuracies from:

			Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville song, and dance music. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, it has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in traditional and popular music. Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, complex chords, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation.
	Sweatman was playing jazz as early as 1902 as a member of P.G. Lowery's Concert Band playing with the Forepaugh and Sells Bros. sideshow. He probably developed the style in the pre-circus parades through the streets of the towns where the circus was performing (known in the trade as a "ballyhoo"). His playing in these parades created a "sensation," according to Tom Fletcher, 100 Years of the Negro in Show Business, New York: Da Capo Press, 1984. Of these improvised variations on standard songs, one author said "it is unlikely that a faithful realization of a standard marching band clarinet part would have caused such a sensation.

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	W.C. Handy called Sweatman a jazz pioneer, W.C. Handy: Father of the Blues, p. 153 (New York: Collier Books, 1941). Sweatman recorded "Down Home Rag" in December, 1916, several weeks before the February, 1917 session by the Original Dixieland Jass Band that produced what some describe as the first jazz recordings. Sweatman was referring to his brand of music as "jazz" as early as 1912 and possibly 1910 (Berresford, 106-07, and Abbott & Seroff, The Original Blues: The Emergence of the Blues in African-American Vaudeville, 1899-1926, University Press of Mississippi).

			Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music.
	My conclusion is that the baseball origin story has things exactly backwards. Jazz or jass was being played in New Orleans in the 19th century, and itinerant musicians who left the city took it with them, where it was heard by musicians elsewhere, particularly up the Mississippi and Missouri rivers to the Kansas City area. It eventually spread to the west coast, where white baseball players and sportswriters, unaware of its local meaning but associating it with uptempo jazz music spread to California by Jelly Roll Morton and others, transferred the term "jazz" stripped of its obscene meanings to baseball, where in a denatured form it meant simply "pep." Similar things have happened with other terms that were originally developed in Black speech: "uptight" was used by Stevie Wonder in a 1965 song to mean "good" (a cleaned-up version of the many "tight like that" blues songs that referred to sexual satisfaction), then came to mean "nervous" or "anxious" when used by white speakers.

			The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.
	I am the author of "Rabbit's Blues: The Life and Music of Johnny Hodges"; "Kansas City Jazz: A Little Evil Will Do You Good" (in which some of the above research appears); and "Don Byas: Sax Expatriate," to be published by University Press of Mississippi in 2024.

			Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception.
	Con Chapman
	617/909-5286 ] (]) 15:18, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
	:{{ping\|User:Conchapman}} Interesting (and thanks for your work on the Hodges book – it's on my list of things to read). The summary in this article is of the ] article, where some of the historical haze you describe is covered, although largely with different examples. The summary is broadly in line with what you assert: it was "related to jasm, a slang term dating back to 1860 meaning 'pep, energy'", then the baseball link refers to the "earliest written record" – "written" being important. Perhaps a fuller summary would add non-written accounts between the jasm and baseball accounts, although I think it would be best as something general such as 'several anecdotal accounts attest to the word "jazz" being used prior to 1912 to refer to a style of music', given that a lot of the musicians of the time had a tendency towards self-aggrandisement, so some of the specific claims might look fanciful. ] (]) 18:02, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

			https://timeline.carnegiehall.org/stories/caribbean-and-latin-connections-in-jazz?
	== Suggested additional text for the Diversity in Jazz: Jews in Jazz section to include ] ==

			https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/harmonious-mixes?
	Cioa fellow Misplaced Pages editors: Just a quick suggestion of additional text and references for the section entitled '''Diversity in Jazz: Jews in Jazz'''. The following text might be helpful:
	::'''] also helped to popularize "Sweet" Jazz music through his appearances and ] broadcasts from such landmark venues as Chicago's ], Broadway's ] and the Starlight Roof at the famed ]. He entertained audiences with a light elegant musical style which remained popular with audiences for nearly three decades from the 1930s until the late 1950s.'''<ref></ref><ref name="The Big Bands - 4th Edition"> George T. Simon. Schirmer Trade Books, London, 2012 {{ISBN\|978-0-85712-812-6}} "Shep Fields Biography" on Books.google.com</ref><ref name="nyt1">{{cite web \|title=SHEP FIELDS, LEADER OF BIG BAND KNOWEN FOR RIPPLING RYTHEM (Published 1981) \|url=https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/24/obituaries/shep-fields-leader-of-big-band-knowen-for-rippling-rythem.html \|website=The New York Times \|accessdate=28 October 2020 \|date=24 February 1981}}</ref>

			https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/23207/chapter/238457511?
	I hope it proves useful. Many thanks for your consideration and Happy Editing!] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)NHPL
	{{reflist}} ] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

			https://www.echo.ucla.edu/article-blue-horizon-creole-culture-and-early-new-orleans-jazz/? ] (]) 07:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
	==Semi Protected Edit Request for ]==
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			:{{u\|Biggsofcourse }}, the additions that you suggest seem to pertain more to what elements contributed to the origins of jazz rather than describing jazz itself. If placed in the article lead, I feel it would work against the ] function. perhaps you can instead look to the ] section with a view to proposing enhancements to what is already there? ] (]) 13:53, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2025 ==
	Cioa fellow Misplaced Pages editors: Just a quick suggestion of additional text and references to be added to the section entitled '''Diversity in Jazz: Jews in Jazz'''. The following text might be helpful:
	::'''] also helped to popularize "Sweet" Jazz music through his appearances and ] broadcasts from such landmark venues as Chicago's ], Broadway's ] and the Starlight Roof at the famed ]. He entertained audiences with a light elegant musical style which remained popular with audiences for nearly three decades from the 1930s until the late 1950s.'''<ref></ref><ref name="The Big Bands - 4th Edition"> George T. Simon. Schirmer Trade Books, London, 2012 {{ISBN\|978-0-85712-812-6}} "Shep Fields Biography" on Books.google.com</ref><ref name="nyt1">{{cite web \|title=SHEP FIELDS, LEADER OF BIG BAND KNOWEN FOR RIPPLING RYTHEM (Published 1981) \|url=https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/24/obituaries/shep-fields-leader-of-big-band-knowen-for-rippling-rythem.html \|website=The New York Times \|accessdate=28 October 2020 \|date=24 February 1981}}</ref>

	I hope it proves useful. Many thanks for your consideration and Happy Editing!] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)NHPL
	{{reflist}} ] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC) ] (]) 00:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

	:I don't know who makes the final decision, but this seems like a reasonable request to me. <small>--Comment by </small> ] (] about my ]) 14:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
	::Where should it be added? ] (]) 20:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
	:::OP has suggested adding it to "Jews in jazz" <small>--Comment by </small> ] (] about my ]) 20:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
	:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> By the way, {{u\|SelfieCity}}, as long as you have the proper privileges for editing a page, if you see an edit request that you think looks acceptable, please do feel free to make the decision and implement it on your own. In many cases, editors who frequent pages about specialized topics are more likely to have more knowledge about those topics than those of us (like me and {{u\|M.Bitton}}) who watch for and respond to edit requests. As such, they are in a better position to evaluate and implement such changes.

	:(Though, in this specific case, I ''do'' have specialized knowledge regarding jazz music.)

⚫	~~:--~~ ] (]) 03:29, 26 ~~November~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)
	::Cool, thanks for letting me know! I'll keep that in mind in future. <small>--Comment by </small> ] (] about my ]) 14:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

	== Semi-Protected Edit Request in ] to include a link to ] ==

	{{Edit semi-protected\|Jazz\|answered=yes}}		{{Edit semi-protected\|Jazz\|answered=yes}}
			Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music.
			The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.
			Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception. ] (]) 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> per above. This is the same text, just jammed into one paragraph. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 06:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Description of "The Old Plantation" ==
	Cio Fellow Editors: Just another quick suggestion for additional text to be added into the paragraph '''DIVERSITY IN JAZZ: JAZZ AND RACE''' after the sentence: '''The original Dixeland Jazz Band, whose members were white, were the first jazz group to record....'''
	::One can add the sentence===> '''In New York City, ] is credited as being one of several white musicians who contributed to the introduction of the jazz genre into Germany's ] during the early 1920s.<ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref>
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⚫	I ~~Hope~~ it ~~also~~ ~~proves~~ to be ~~helpful! Ciao~~ ] (]) 17:29, 25 ~~November~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)~~NHPL~~
	:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> The only source actually provided for this edit is the memoirs of Mike Danzi himself, and thus a primary source. The links are to two annotated bibliographic entries summarizing his memoir, and to a review of the same. The following are excerpts from that review:

	:{{tq\|The reader should be warned that the book ... is vastly underedited: misspellings, misusage, and errors in grammar and punctuation abound.}}

	:{{tq\|And the book is loaded with "factual" information, recalled by Danzi in miraculous detail without the aid of his correspondence, scrapbooks, and diaries, which he destroyed after his wife's death in 1956. None of Danzi's "facts" can therefore be accepted at face value without corroborative evidence}}

			Looking at "Early history of Jazz", the description for ''The Old Plantation'', it states that the painting depicts slaves dancing on a plantation in Virginia. But is there any proof that it depicts Virginia?
	:This review specifically cautions against relying solely on Danzi's memoir for factual statements. The review itself says nothing about Danzi as being credited with the process of introducing jazz to Germany's Weimar Republic. So this edit will require reliable (preferably secondary) sources beyond Danzi's memoir for support.

			The closest thing related to Virginia on ] is that it is currently held in a museum in Virginia; however, the page also details that the painting originated in South Carolina and was painted by a South Carolina artist. Would changing the description to say South Carolina, or nothing at all, be more appropriate than Virginia? Of course, if there is enough proof than it should just be left as is, or just remove the location entirely. ] (]) 17:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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Could someone add the black music history template? 24.98.23.182 (talk) 21:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Done. AllyD (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Images

@NebulaNavigator77: We've got way too many images in here now. Some of them are not appropriate, for example we've got Dizzy Gillespie in the Afro-Cuban jazz (cu-bop) section, which is fine, but then we've also got him again in the Afro-Cuban jazz renaissance section. He is not even mentioned in that section, and even if he was, we don't need another photo of him here when we've already got one associated with Afro-Cuban jazz. Even if we did, a photo of him from 1955 isn't appropriate in a section that is about something that happened in the late 1970s.

Also, please do not add pixel params to images. See MOS:IMGSIZE. GA-RT-22 (talk) 04:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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Change introduction too reflect historical accuracies from:

Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville song, and dance music. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, it has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in traditional and popular music. Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, complex chords, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation.

To:

The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.

Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception.

https://timeline.carnegiehall.org/stories/caribbean-and-latin-connections-in-jazz?

https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/harmonious-mixes?

https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/23207/chapter/238457511?

https://www.echo.ucla.edu/article-blue-horizon-creole-culture-and-early-new-orleans-jazz/? Biggsofcourse (talk) 07:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Biggsofcourse, the additions that you suggest seem to pertain more to what elements contributed to the origins of jazz rather than describing jazz itself. If placed in the article lead, I feel it would work against the topic introductory overview function. perhaps you can instead look to the Jazz#Early_development section with a view to proposing enhancements to what is already there? AllyD (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music. The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception. Biggsofcourse (talk) 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Not done: per above. This is the same text, just jammed into one paragraph. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 06:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Description of "The Old Plantation"

Looking at "Early history of Jazz", the description for The Old Plantation, it states that the painting depicts slaves dancing on a plantation in Virginia. But is there any proof that it depicts Virginia?

The closest thing related to Virginia on the page for the painting is that it is currently held in a museum in Virginia; however, the page also details that the painting originated in South Carolina and was painted by a South Carolina artist. Would changing the description to say South Carolina, or nothing at all, be more appropriate than Virginia? Of course, if there is enough proof than it should just be left as is, or just remove the location entirely. Asilojaz7 (talk) 17:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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