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== Black American Timeline ==
== Suggested additional text for the Diversity in Jazz: Jews in Jazz section to include ] ==


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Cioa fellow Misplaced Pages editors: Just a quick suggestion of additional text and references for the section entitled '''Diversity in Jazz: Jews in Jazz'''. The following text might be helpful:
⚫ Could someone add the black music history template? ] (]) 21:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::'''] also helped to popularize "Sweet" Jazz music through his appearances and ] broadcasts from such landmark venues as Chicago's ], Broadway's ] and the Starlight Roof at the famed ]. He entertained audiences with a light elegant musical style which remained popular with audiences for nearly three decades from the 1930s until the late 1950s.'''<ref></ref><ref name="The Big Bands - 4th Edition"> George T. Simon. Schirmer Trade Books, London, 2012 {{ISBN|978-0-85712-812-6}} "Shep Fields Biography" on Books.google.com</ref><ref name="nyt1">{{cite web |title=SHEP FIELDS, LEADER OF BIG BAND KNOWEN FOR RIPPLING RYTHEM (Published 1981) |url=https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/24/obituaries/shep-fields-leader-of-big-band-knowen-for-rippling-rythem.html |website=The New York Times |accessdate=28 October 2020 |date=24 February 1981}}</ref>
⚫ * Done. ] (]) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


== Images ==
I hope it proves useful. Many thanks for your consideration and Happy Editing!] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)NHPL
{{reflist}} ] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


{{Ping|NebulaNavigator77}} We've got way too many images in here now. Some of them are not appropriate, for example we've got Dizzy Gillespie in the Afro-Cuban jazz (cu-bop) section, which is fine, but then we've also got him again in the Afro-Cuban jazz renaissance section. He is not even mentioned in that section, and even if he was, we don't need another photo of him here when we've already got one associated with Afro-Cuban jazz. Even if we did, a photo of him from 1955 isn't appropriate in a section that is about something that happened in the late 1970s.
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Also, please do not add pixel params to images. See ]. ] (]) 04:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


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Cioa fellow Misplaced Pages editors: Just a quick suggestion of additional text and references to be added to the section entitled '''Diversity in Jazz: Jews in Jazz'''. The following text might be helpful:
::'''] also helped to popularize "Sweet" Jazz music through his appearances and ] broadcasts from such landmark venues as Chicago's ], Broadway's ] and the Starlight Roof at the famed ]. He entertained audiences with a light elegant musical style which remained popular with audiences for nearly three decades from the 1930s until the late 1950s.'''<ref></ref><ref name="The Big Bands - 4th Edition"> George T. Simon. Schirmer Trade Books, London, 2012 {{ISBN|978-0-85712-812-6}} "Shep Fields Biography" on Books.google.com</ref><ref name="nyt1">{{cite web |title=SHEP FIELDS, LEADER OF BIG BAND KNOWEN FOR RIPPLING RYTHEM (Published 1981) |url=https://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/24/obituaries/shep-fields-leader-of-big-band-knowen-for-rippling-rythem.html |website=The New York Times |accessdate=28 October 2020 |date=24 February 1981}}</ref>


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I hope it proves useful. Many thanks for your consideration and Happy Editing!] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)NHPL
Change introduction too reflect historical accuracies from:
{{reflist}} ] (]) 23:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC) ] (]) 00:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville song, and dance music. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, it has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in traditional and popular music. Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, complex chords, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation.
:I don't know who makes the final decision, but this seems like a reasonable request to me. <small>--Comment by </small> ] (] about my ]) 14:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Where should it be added? ] (]) 20:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::OP has suggested adding it to "Jews in jazz" <small>--Comment by </small> ] (] about my ]) 20:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> By the way, {{u|SelfieCity}}, as long as you have the proper privileges for editing a page, if you see an edit request that you think looks acceptable, please do feel free to make the decision and implement it on your own. In many cases, editors who frequent pages about specialized topics are more likely to have more knowledge about those topics than those of us (like me and {{u|M.Bitton}}) who watch for and respond to edit requests. As such, they are in a better position to evaluate and implement such changes.


To:
:(Though, in this specific case, I ''do'' have specialized knowledge regarding jazz music.)


Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music.
⚫ :-- ] (]) 03:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Cool, thanks for letting me know! I'll keep that in mind in future. <small>--Comment by </small> ] (] about my ]) 14:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.
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Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception.
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https://timeline.carnegiehall.org/stories/caribbean-and-latin-connections-in-jazz?
Cio Fellow Editors: Just another quick suggestion for additional text to be added into the paragraph '''DIVERSITY IN JAZZ: JAZZ AND RACE''' after the sentence: '''The original Dixeland Jazz Band, whose members were white, were the first jazz group to record....'''
::One can add the sentence===> '''In New York City, ] is credited as being one of several white musicians who contributed to the introduction of the jazz genre into Germany's ] during the early 1920s.<ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref>
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⚫ I Hope it also proves to be helpful! Ciao ] (]) 17:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)NHPL
:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> The only source actually provided for this edit is the memoirs of Mike Danzi himself, and thus a primary source. The links are to two annotated bibliographic entries summarizing his memoir, and to a review of the same. The following are excerpts from that review:


https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/harmonious-mixes?
:{{tq|The reader should be warned that the book ... is vastly underedited: misspellings, misusage, and errors in grammar and punctuation abound.}}


https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/23207/chapter/238457511?
:{{tq|And the book is loaded with "factual" information, recalled by Danzi in miraculous detail without the aid of his correspondence, scrapbooks, and diaries, which he destroyed after his wife's death in 1956. None of Danzi's "facts" can therefore be accepted at face value without corroborative evidence}}


https://www.echo.ucla.edu/article-blue-horizon-creole-culture-and-early-new-orleans-jazz/? ] (]) 07:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:This review specifically cautions against relying solely on Danzi's memoir for factual statements. The review itself says nothing about Danzi as being credited with the process of introducing jazz to Germany's Weimar Republic. So this edit will require reliable (preferably secondary) sources beyond Danzi's memoir for support.


:{{u|Biggsofcourse }}, the additions that you suggest seem to pertain more to what elements contributed to the origins of jazz rather than describing jazz itself. If placed in the article lead, I feel it would work against the ] function. perhaps you can instead look to the ] section with a view to proposing enhancements to what is already there? ] (]) 13:53, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:-- ] (]) 03:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2025 ==

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Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music.
The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.
Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception. ] (]) 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:ESp --> per above. This is the same text, just jammed into one paragraph. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 06:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)


== Description of "The Old Plantation" ==
::Ciao Pinchmel123: Many thanks for the expert insights--Quite correct-- several of the references cited above are in fact reviews of Danzi's autobiography. Sorry about that --they seemed relevant. For what it might be worth, it should also be noted, however, that '''his autobiography has been routinely used "with caution" as a primary source of information by various scholars of Jazz''' over the years despite the misspellings, errors in grammar and punctuation cited above. (See "Mike Danzi" on JSTOR & Google Books for the use of his book as a reference source in the bibliographies of numerous scholarly articles/books about Jazz in Europe in the early 20th century).<ref></ref><ref></ref> Admittedly, accurate documentation from this period is somewhat problematic, largely due to the attempts by the Nazi regime to suppress the evolution of Jazz, which it characterized as a degenerate art form--a situation which Danzi appears to have encountered quite often while in Germany for an extended period of time prior to World War II. In any case, here are a few more reference citations from additional independent sources which may prove to be relevant and supportive of the suggested additional text. I hope they help. Thanks again for your help and Happy editing.<ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref>. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
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:::] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> Linking to search results, more generic reviews of books (rather than the book itself?), and instances where Danzi's name is mentioned in print will not help. In my opinion you'll need to provide ''page-specific references'' from reliable secondary sources that support the language you've requested be added to this article. That means the pages of specific sources that support the claim that Danzi contributed to ''introducing'' jazz to Germany during the time period in question, not just that he performed in Germany. (For me, an exception to the page-specific part of this would be articles or books that are clearly entirely about Danzi ''introducing'' jazz to Germany in the '20s.) It would also probably be useful to also see sources that emphasize his race/ethnicity, since the language you've proposed highlights it. --] (]) 21:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::===>>A very intriguing discussion about a murky period in the history of Jazz as it evolved in Europe. One possible solution to the scarcity of "page specific secondary reference sources" might be to amend the proposed additional text to the following:
'''In addition, several Anglo-American musicians such as ] influenced the development of the Jazz genre in Germany during the early days of the ] in the 1920s.''' The following reference citations from the book ''Different Drummers: Jazz Culture of Nazi Germany'' (Publisher Oxford University Press, sorry but a specific page is not available on this ebook) & ''Phonographic Bulletin'' (Publisher International Association of Sound Archives, Pg. 49) and the article "The Jazz Experience in Weimar Germany" (Publihser Oxford University Press pp. 145-158) might be helpful in this regard.<ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref> I hope some of this is helpful Cia!] (]) 18:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)GCL
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Looking at "Early history of Jazz", the description for ''The Old Plantation'', it states that the painting depicts slaves dancing on a plantation in Virginia. But is there any proof that it depicts Virginia?
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The closest thing related to Virginia on ] is that it is currently held in a museum in Virginia; however, the page also details that the painting originated in South Carolina and was painted by a South Carolina artist. Would changing the description to say South Carolina, or nothing at all, be more appropriate than Virginia? Of course, if there is enough proof than it should just be left as is, or just remove the location entirely. ] (]) 17:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Ciao fellow editors; Kindly consider including the following text at the start of the section '''The Jazz Age''' following the paragraph '''In 1924, Louis Armstrong joined the Fletcher Henderson dance band for a year...''' to include the text:
'''By 1924, one of Armstrong's favorite "Sweet" big bands was also formed in Canada by ]. His Royal Canadians Orchestra specialized in performances of "the Sweetest music this side of Heaven" which remain popular with audiences in the United States and internationally for three decades until 1954.<ref name="Jazzonline">{{cite book|last1=Wald|first1=Elijah|editor1-last=Ake|editor1-first=David|editor2-last=Garret|editor2-first=Charles|editor3-last=Goldmark|editor3-first=Daniel|title=Jazz/Not Jazz: The Music and Its Boundaries|date=September 2012|publisher=University of California Press Online|isbn=9780520271036|page=31|url=http://california.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.1525/california/9780520271036.001.0001/upso-9780520271036-chapter-3|chapter=Louis Armstrong Loves Guy Lombardo|quote=Louis Armstrong often referred to Guy Lombardo's Royal Canadians as his favorite band, but this fact is rarely cited and almost never pursued.Critics and historians who celebrate African American music tend to dismiss Lombardo's music as boring, mainstream pap, unworthy to be treated alongside the masterpieces of Armstrong or Duke Ellington. Thus, while celebrating Armstrong, they ignore his musical opinion—and that of the public, which made Lombardo's orchestra the most popular dance band not only of white America, but also at Harlem's Savoy Ballroom. How have such prejudices affected our views of the past? How has our understanding of black musicians been limited by an insistence that they fit modern definitions of hipness or authenticity?|doi=10.1525/california/9780520271036.003.0003}}</ref><ref></ref><ref></ref><ref></ref>
Enjoy] (]) 21:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)GCL
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Could someone add the black music history template? 24.98.23.182 (talk) 21:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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@NebulaNavigator77: We've got way too many images in here now. Some of them are not appropriate, for example we've got Dizzy Gillespie in the Afro-Cuban jazz (cu-bop) section, which is fine, but then we've also got him again in the Afro-Cuban jazz renaissance section. He is not even mentioned in that section, and even if he was, we don't need another photo of him here when we've already got one associated with Afro-Cuban jazz. Even if we did, a photo of him from 1955 isn't appropriate in a section that is about something that happened in the late 1970s.

Also, please do not add pixel params to images. See MOS:IMGSIZE. GA-RT-22 (talk) 04:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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Change introduction too reflect historical accuracies from:

Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville song, and dance music. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, it has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in traditional and popular music. Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, complex chords, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation.

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Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music.

The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.

Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception.

https://timeline.carnegiehall.org/stories/caribbean-and-latin-connections-in-jazz?

https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/harmonious-mixes?

https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/23207/chapter/238457511?

https://www.echo.ucla.edu/article-blue-horizon-creole-culture-and-early-new-orleans-jazz/? Biggsofcourse (talk) 07:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Biggsofcourse, the additions that you suggest seem to pertain more to what elements contributed to the origins of jazz rather than describing jazz itself. If placed in the article lead, I feel it would work against the topic introductory overview function. perhaps you can instead look to the Jazz#Early_development section with a view to proposing enhancements to what is already there? AllyD (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music. The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception. Biggsofcourse (talk) 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: per above. This is the same text, just jammed into one paragraph. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 06:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Description of "The Old Plantation"

Looking at "Early history of Jazz", the description for The Old Plantation, it states that the painting depicts slaves dancing on a plantation in Virginia. But is there any proof that it depicts Virginia?

The closest thing related to Virginia on the page for the painting is that it is currently held in a museum in Virginia; however, the page also details that the painting originated in South Carolina and was painted by a South Carolina artist. Would changing the description to say South Carolina, or nothing at all, be more appropriate than Virginia? Of course, if there is enough proof than it should just be left as is, or just remove the location entirely. Asilojaz7 (talk) 17:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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