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== January music == | ||
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Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). -- ] (]) 16:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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Now: ], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
I managed a few more pics and the first precious ;) - If you have a few seconds please look into the ''Sacrifice'' trailer, see her speak ... --] (]) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Great collaboration, Storye book found the pic, MONTENSEM wrote the lead after adding detail, and I feel you know a lot about the person after reading just that. (No discussion about an infobox, as for an estimated 95% of composers' articles. They have become normal, ], did you know?) --] (]) 09:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I made Leif Segerstam my ] story today. -] (]) 08:49, 16 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
Today we have the next composer of the kind, mentioned ] with two others. When I saw the TFP of ], however, I was inclined to help him to more accessibily but dropped it when I looked at the article history. I try to avoid conflict. I only step in when someone ''new'' to the strangest "contentious topic" I have encountered on WP gets treated as a warrior. I wonder what could stop that, - assuming good faith should be the first approach, no? --] (]) 14:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Good faith is so often the key to avoiding and diffusing conflict. But it's understandable why in moments it doesn't happen. Best, ] (]) 15:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
] is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his . - ] was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page ''now'' because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --] (]) 14:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:: Today's focus is another composer because he would have been 90 today, ]. There was a discussion in 2019, still on the talk, in case of interest in the study of good faith. --] (]) 22:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:: I wrote the article about his opera, and smiled when quoting from it "We pounded at the doors of the mighty; unheard remained the heart-wrenched agony, our people's mournful fate!" ;) --] (]) 22:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:: Today a violinist from Turkey, ], whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --] (]) 21:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:: ... and today, ], ], in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author ] (who also wrote ]). --] (]) 18:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:: Today I have ] (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with ] who became GA yesterday, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --] (]) 19:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
=== Precious anniversary === | |||
Did you listen? --] (]) 08:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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--] (]) 08:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:I've mentioned this before but precious was hugely important to me as an editor and as part of this community. I appreciate the work you do in giving it out (and commemorating it). Best, ] (]) 15:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:: Thank you! I love to do it. While I slowed down in giving, the daily routine of remembering things to be thankful for is an uplifting exercise ;) - Today, my first objective was to upgrade ] that I brought to the Main page (in poor shape, but I was too tired yesterday), - it's nominated for GA now. My story today. I'll make a story for ], although my first article this year is already off the Main page. - The second was to help finding a FA suitable for TFA on IWD. The third will be to turn to today's article, another recent death. Then a round of telling others the same things, and then I'll probably be too tired to give the first precious of the year. --] (]) 17:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::Well there is no deadline for telling someone they're precious, but it certainly remains appreciated by me and a highlight of my wiki creer. That other stuff is good too - all . On a different note I've read through the Rimsky-Korsakov RfC and am considering doing a close (if I do I'll need to read it through at least once more entirely). Best, ] (]) 23:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::: Well, I don't care how that will be closed, seriously. --] (]) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::: The choreographer is my story today, although her all-too-brief on the Main page was on 5 January. Her work mentioned is based on ]. I wonder if you are aware that one of the key debates of the infoboxes arbcase is now in ] (there were two earlier), - for background or entertainment, as you like it. It contains the key argument against an infobox (at least as I see it): "Please let's not add another eyesore to another beautifully crafted article." - I think the discussion remained civil, btw. --] (]) 12:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::: ] today who directed lasting performances --] (]) 21:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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With all the page moves etc, but I created those pages by clicking links that were all in my face so I assume you know what is up and i'm not (completely) insane? ] ] 10:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
:@] you're not insane (at least in this regards). Somehow the pages all got created as JSS (Alerts 0) which messed everything up. I have mostly fixed this; you have 1 or 2 more steps left to do. The step I definitely know you have to do is go to ] and uncomment the template that is on the page (and I think delete your statement that's on there). You may also have to transclude the page to the candidates page. ] (]) 15:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::I don't remember this being the least bit difficult in the past. I'm lost. I'm not running for template editor. I think I got it? ] ] 17:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== November music == | |||
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Bakreep forever-more. (Thanks for the laugh in a busy-crappy day.) ] (]) 22:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
: (And that has inspired me to name my next MMORPG character Bakreep... ) ] (]) 22:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
::I hope the character serves you well in your MMORPG and may I one day reach the levels that Bakreep has already reached {{smiley}}. Best, ] (]) 23:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
Hey Barkeep! I saw you were reviewing ] at the same time as I. I noticed the page was created in one edit with "clarification needed" tags and all, so I made the edit summary of this: {{diff||1270074136}}. Is there anything else that needs to be done beyond having that statement in the edit summary for attribution? I didn't see any notice at the source page of ], which hadn't been edited since October 2024 and the split came about in December 2024. Thank you, <span style="background-color: #FFCFBF; font-variant: small-caps">] <sub>(''']''' / ''']''')</sub></span> 20:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Now: Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I managed a few more pics and the first precious ;) - If you have a few seconds please look into the Sacrifice trailer, see her speak ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Great collaboration, Storye book found the pic, MONTENSEM wrote the lead after adding detail, and I feel you know a lot about the person after reading just that. (No discussion about an infobox, as for an estimated 95% of composers' articles. They have become normal, project opera removed the "no infobox" recommendation from its style guide in 2019, did you know?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Today we have the next composer of the kind, mentioned in my story with two others. When I saw the TFP of Mr. Balfe, however, I was inclined to help him to more accessibily but dropped it when I looked at the article history. I try to avoid conflict. I only step in when someone new to the strangest "contentious topic" I have encountered on WP gets treated as a warrior. I wonder what could stop that, - assuming good faith should be the first approach, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Good faith is so often the key to avoiding and diffusing conflict. But it's understandable why in moments it doesn't happen. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Today's focus is another composer because he would have been 90 today, Georg Katzer. There was a discussion in 2019, still on the talk, in case of interest in the study of good faith. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I wrote the article about his opera, and smiled when quoting from it "We pounded at the doors of the mighty; unheard remained the heart-wrenched agony, our people's mournful fate!" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Today a violinist from Turkey, Ayla Erduran, whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- ... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton (who also wrote The Rite of Spring). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Today I have a composer (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with another who became GA yesterday, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Precious anniversary
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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've mentioned this before but precious was hugely important to me as an editor and as part of this community. I appreciate the work you do in giving it out (and commemorating it). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! I love to do it. While I slowed down in giving, the daily routine of remembering things to be thankful for is an uplifting exercise ;) - Today, my first objective was to upgrade an article that I brought to the Main page (in poor shape, but I was too tired yesterday), - it's nominated for GA now. My story today. I'll make a story for Dada Masilo, although my first article this year is already off the Main page. - The second was to help finding a FA suitable for TFA on IWD. The third will be to turn to today's article, another recent death. Then a round of telling others the same things, and then I'll probably be too tired to give the first precious of the year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well there is no deadline for telling someone they're precious, but it certainly remains appreciated by me and a highlight of my wiki creer. That other stuff is good too - all . On a different note I've read through the Rimsky-Korsakov RfC and am considering doing a close (if I do I'll need to read it through at least once more entirely). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well, I don't care how that will be closed, seriously. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The choreographer is my story today, although her all-too-brief on the Main page was on 5 January. Her work mentioned is based on The Rite of Spring. I wonder if you are aware that one of the key debates of the infoboxes arbcase is now in Talk:The Rite of Spring/Archive 3 (there were two earlier), - for background or entertainment, as you like it. It contains the key argument against an infobox (at least as I see it): "Please let's not add another eyesore to another beautifully crafted article." - I think the discussion remained civil, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Otto Schenk today who directed lasting performances --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well there is no deadline for telling someone they're precious, but it certainly remains appreciated by me and a highlight of my wiki creer. That other stuff is good too - all . On a different note I've read through the Rimsky-Korsakov RfC and am considering doing a close (if I do I'll need to read it through at least once more entirely). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! I love to do it. While I slowed down in giving, the daily routine of remembering things to be thankful for is an uplifting exercise ;) - Today, my first objective was to upgrade an article that I brought to the Main page (in poor shape, but I was too tired yesterday), - it's nominated for GA now. My story today. I'll make a story for Dada Masilo, although my first article this year is already off the Main page. - The second was to help finding a FA suitable for TFA on IWD. The third will be to turn to today's article, another recent death. Then a round of telling others the same things, and then I'll probably be too tired to give the first precious of the year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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SPI
Hi Barkeep, you closed this thread/report at SPI Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Icewhiz#7 January 2025 with no action. Was that because it was filed by a sock account or because you determined Boksi and BePrepared were not sock accounts?
Thank you, IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 23:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @IOHANNVSVERVS I only considered the BilledMammal element of that filing substantively and closed the rest of it on "it was filed by a sock" grounds. You can see at the SPI below it I do substantively consider BePrepared (and there is a new SPI open about them as well). Barkeep49 (talk) 01:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- I see, thank you.
Do you think the concerns and evidence I presented warrant an SPI filing for Boksi?IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:27, 16 January 2025 (UTC) Nevermind for now, there's not much to go on in what I added alone. I do think they are a likely sock however, perhaps I'll gather more info and file an SPI another time. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
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Second set of eyes
Hey Barkeep! I saw you were reviewing History of Székesfehérvár at the same time as I. I noticed the page was created in one edit with "clarification needed" tags and all, so I made the edit summary of this: . Is there anything else that needs to be done beyond having that statement in the edit summary for attribution? I didn't see any notice at the source page of Székesfehérvár, which hadn't been edited since October 2024 and the split came about in December 2024. Thank you, Utopes (talk / cont) 20:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks @Utopes. I thought I'd seen attribution of the clear split but obviously didn't; your post facto comment suffices under the license. If I was feeling more motivated I'd have linked it back to the main article better. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)