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== KKK and ABB == | |||
This article has a checkered past when it comes to ] issues and ]. The result of this activity was an irretrievably damaged article that needed to be nearly completely replaced. | |||
Three links which are of historical relevance are: | |||
The result of this overhaul left the article as it reads now, minus a handful of typographic corrections. The entire current article is based on a single piece of source material: . This article is therefore accurate based on the source cited, but needs additional material with ] sources to fill in the gaps and to assure neutrality. | |||
<s>Because this article has proven to have subject matter that is very sensitive to some contributors (and rightfully so), and because of the contentious history of the article itself, virtually all new material added will need ] cited. For details on cited sources, please review ]. Please review ]. Also, please reframe from deleting or overwriting existing material without first posting your intentions on this discussion page. Any deletion without discussion and consensus to delete will result in an immediate ]. Thank you for being ], and happy editing. Thanks, ] 05:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)</s> | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/Tulsa_Benevolent_Association | |||
:You have no authority to make this declaration, Scott. ] 02:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Why is EVERY massacre in the US against Black people called a Riot? This is a massacre, plain and simple. Mass Graves, Government coverups, and rounding up people to be shot. MASSACRE. -Unsigned | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/African_Blood_Brotherhood | |||
The mass graves are a pure urban legend. In fact, this whole article is pretty biased towards the more sensational and rumor-laden aspects of the riot. Government coverups, psh. Next you're going to spout that idiotic old wives' tale that there were bombers flying over the city. -] 04:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
I am framilar with the subject and I assure you that there are no mass graves and there is a consensus among black and white survivors of the riot that the "aerial bombers" legend is a hoax. ] 21:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
https://revolutionsnewsstand.com/2023/02/10/the-tulsa-riot-by-commander-tulsa-post-african-blood-brotherhood-from-the-crusader-vol-4-no-5-july-1921/ | |||
== So-Called Vandalism == | |||
So. I see ] has brought his POV-based edit war over here, along with accusations of vandalism. Very well, I will not touch the article further, save to add the markers that it is not of proper quality and is not NPOV. -] 21:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
The first link confirms that the KKK chapter in Tulsa was only founded in January 1922, seven months ''after'' the Tulsa riot/massacre. | |||
And there we go. Now, if someone cares to start sourcing the claims of mass graves to any sort of evidence, hopefully credible evidence, and clean it up to use less sensationalist language, maybe it will become a Misplaced Pages-quality article. -] 21:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
The second two links concern the largely forgotten activities of the militant African Blood Brotherhood and its presence in Tulsa in 1921. | |||
== Tulsa Race Riot overhaul == | |||
Buck Franklin in his autobiography confirms the presence of political agitators in Greenwood although he does not expressly identify them as ABB activists. ] (]) 13:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I have made a very honest attempt to turn this article into a solid and hopefully neutral encyclopedic piece. In the process, I am certain that many facts and figures have been missed. I hope that other contributors will continued to add, in good faith, additional factual, ] information to this important article. I have added a 'Controversy' section to facilitate other points of view, and encourage contributors to use the Talk/Discussion page to work out differences and conflicts of opinion. This article has the potential to become a significantly educational article and a great asset to the worldwide readers and users of Misplaced Pages. | |||
== New 123-page DOJ report. Can this PDF be embedded and made accessible? == | |||
I pulled most of the facts and figures directly from the . I realize that there are many differing points of view on this subject, but I used what appeared to be the most neutral source available to build a basic structure for this article - to provide a framework for future changes and additions. I am not attempting to establish this source as the only source for credible facts on this sensitive subject. | |||
News articles:<br> | |||
I also invite those who excel at writing scripts and templates to add the appropriate citations to this article. This is another reason I tried to stick with a single source this early on - to make it easier to cite sources. | |||
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/11/us/tulsa-race-massacre-report.html<br> | |||
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/01/10/tulsa-massacre-report/<br> | |||
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/10/tulsa-race-massacre-report-doj<br> | |||
https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/local-regional/2025-01-10/doj-credible-reports-that-law-enforcement-participated-in-murder-during-race-massacre<br> | |||
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5080213-tulsa-race-massacre-justice-report/ | |||
Official links to the Department of Justice report:<br> | |||
Thanks --] 22:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-results-review-and-evaluation-tulsa-race-massacre<br> | |||
https://www.justice.gov/crt/case/ac-jackson | |||
The 123-page report (PDF document):<br> | |||
== Unknown user: 68.0.119.82 == | |||
https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl | |||
Can this file be embedded and directly included for viewing to the side of the Misplaced Pages article text? ] (]) 16:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Thank you for your contribution to this article. Based on the points made in the ] at the top of this discussion page, your contributions can not stand as is. The edit concerning Dick Rowland after the riot will be reverted. You may replace this material without overwriting existing material if you are able to provide a cited source. The edit concerning the dumping of bodies will stand pending citaion of ]. If no sources are provided within a reasonable amount of time, this edit will be reverted as well. | |||
:I've added the report to '''Further reading'''. I don't know of a way to embed it and question whether that's even appropriate. ] ] 17:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Embedding it here would be inappropriate. But it could live at ? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 18:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
Note: I have heard these details mentioned, and don't doubt their validity. But in order to develop and maintain the credibility of this article and Misplaced Pages in general, all material must come from reliable sources and be verifiable. Thank you, ] 05:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
I recommend that the article note that the report released on January 10, 2025, was amended and improved, according to the January 17, 2025 memorandum approved by the Chief, Criminal Section, Civil Rights Division. https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl.] (]) 17:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:'''Follow-up''': The edits made by User:68.0.119.82 have been reverted based on reasons discussed above. Thanks, ] | ] 04:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Unknown User:128.32.14.36 == | |||
]: Thank you for your interest in contributing to this article. As has been stated above, due to the sensitive nature of the subject matter in this article, and its long history of ] and POV complications, any ] or otherwise altering of existing content will be reverted unless first discussed on this talk page and a consensus reached with fellow contributing editors. This, coupled with your of questionable edits, makes the motivations behind your most recent edits highly suspicious. Based on these points, your recent edits will be reverted. If you do not agree with this action, please discuss it here. | |||
Perhaps, if you wish to change this editor's suspicion about the motivations behind your editing habits, you could consider contributing quality content (in other words, ''adding'' new, ], ] information) to this and other articles instead of strategically deleting/modifying/quasi-vandalizing content in an apparent effort distort its intended purpose. Another step toward gaining general acceptance and credibility would be to ] and ]. Thanks, ] | <small>]</small> 15:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
== poorly cited == | |||
one citation at the end of this article is not sufficient. citations are needed ''throughout'' the article. | |||
] 02:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
*What purpose would it serve to have ... peppered all through the article, when they all point to the same source? I think Mr. Hall's explanation at the top of the talk page -- the one you struck-thru -- is valid and appropriate. On the other hand, it probably *is* appropriate to add the "cite sources" template to the top of the article. --] 17:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:The etc would show what really appears in the sources and what doesn't. I am new to this article and when I see questionable statements have no option but to read the whole cited report. ] 05:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
== NPOV claim == | |||
An anonymous IP address added a NPOV tag to the "Looting and burning" section. I don't see why, and they didn't bother to tell us here. Does describing a defense as "valiant" constitute a pro-defender POV? Are "countless" and "many" too unclear? Maybe so, but if there are no concrete suggestions on how to make it more NPOV, then I think it would be appropriate to remove the tag. --] 16:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC) |
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KKK and ABB
Three links which are of historical relevance are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/Tulsa_Benevolent_Association
https://en.wikipedia.org/African_Blood_Brotherhood
The first link confirms that the KKK chapter in Tulsa was only founded in January 1922, seven months after the Tulsa riot/massacre.
The second two links concern the largely forgotten activities of the militant African Blood Brotherhood and its presence in Tulsa in 1921.
Buck Franklin in his autobiography confirms the presence of political agitators in Greenwood although he does not expressly identify them as ABB activists. 89.243.78.236 (talk) 13:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
New 123-page DOJ report. Can this PDF be embedded and made accessible?
News articles:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/11/us/tulsa-race-massacre-report.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/01/10/tulsa-massacre-report/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/10/tulsa-race-massacre-report-doj
https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/local-regional/2025-01-10/doj-credible-reports-that-law-enforcement-participated-in-murder-during-race-massacre
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5080213-tulsa-race-massacre-justice-report/
Official links to the Department of Justice report:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-results-review-and-evaluation-tulsa-race-massacre
https://www.justice.gov/crt/case/ac-jackson
The 123-page report (PDF document):
https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl
Can this file be embedded and directly included for viewing to the side of the Misplaced Pages article text? 172.56.12.167 (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've added the report to Further reading. I don't know of a way to embed it and question whether that's even appropriate. Schazjmd (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Embedding it here would be inappropriate. But it could live at Wikisource? --jpgordon 18:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
I recommend that the article note that the report released on January 10, 2025, was amended and improved, according to the January 17, 2025 memorandum approved by the Chief, Criminal Section, Civil Rights Division. https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl.Mahoopes (talk) 17:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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