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== KKK and ABB == | |||
Because this article has proven to have subject matter that is very sensitive to some contributors (and rightfully so), and because of the contentious history of the article itself, virtually all new material added will need ] cited. For details on cited sources, please review ]. Please review ]. Also, please reframe from deleting or overwriting existing material without first posting your intentions on this discussion page. Any deletion without discussion and consensus to delete will result in an immediate ]. Thank you for being ], and happy editing. Thanks, ] 05:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
Three links which are of historical relevance are: | |||
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Why is EVERY massacre in the US against Black people called a Riot? This is a massacre, plain and simple. Mass Graves, Government coverups, and rounding up people to be shot. MASSACRE. -Unsigned | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/Tulsa_Benevolent_Association | |||
The mass graves are a pure urban legend. In fact, this whole article is pretty biased towards the more sensational and rumor-laden aspects of the riot. Government coverups, psh. Next you're going to spout that idiotic old wives' tale that there were bombers flying over the city. -] 04:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
== So-Called Vandalism == | |||
So. I see ] has brought his POV-based edit war over here, along with accusations of vandalism. Very well, I will not touch the article further, save to add the markers that it is not of proper quality and is not NPOV. -] 21:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
https://en.wikipedia.org/African_Blood_Brotherhood | |||
And there we go. Now, if someone cares to start sourcing the claims of mass graves to any sort of evidence, hopefully credible evidence, and clean it up to use less sensationalist language, maybe it will become a Misplaced Pages-quality article. -] 21:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
== Tulsa Race Riot overhaul == | |||
https://revolutionsnewsstand.com/2023/02/10/the-tulsa-riot-by-commander-tulsa-post-african-blood-brotherhood-from-the-crusader-vol-4-no-5-july-1921/ | |||
I have made a very honest attempt to turn this article into a solid and hopefully neutral encyclopedic piece. In the process, I am certain that many facts and figures have been missed. I hope that other contributors will continued to add, in good faith, additional factual, ] information to this important article. I have added a 'Controversy' section to facilitate other points of view, and encourage contributors to use the Talk/Discussion page to work out differences and conflicts of opinion. This article has the potential to become a significantly educational article and a great asset to the worldwide readers and users of Misplaced Pages. | |||
I pulled most of the facts and figures directly from the . I realize that there are many differing points of view on this subject, but I used what appeared to be the most neutral source available to build a basic structure for this article - to provide a framework for future changes and additions. I am not attempting to establish this source as the only source for credible facts on this sensitive subject. | |||
The first link confirms that the KKK chapter in Tulsa was only founded in January 1922, seven months ''after'' the Tulsa riot/massacre. | |||
I also invite those who excel at writing scripts and templates to add the appropriate citations to this article. This is another reason I tried to stick with a single source this early on - to make it easier to cite sources. | |||
The second two links concern the largely forgotten activities of the militant African Blood Brotherhood and its presence in Tulsa in 1921. | |||
Thanks --] 22:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
Buck Franklin in his autobiography confirms the presence of political agitators in Greenwood although he does not expressly identify them as ABB activists. ] (]) 13:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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== New 123-page DOJ report. Can this PDF be embedded and made accessible? == | |||
Thank you for your contribution to this article. Based on the points made in the ] at the top of this discussion page, your contributions can not stand as is. The edit concerning Dick Rowland after the riot will be reverted. You may replace this material without overwriting existing material if you are able to provide a cited source. The edit concerning the dumping of bodies will stand pending citaion of ]. If no sources are provided within a reasonable amount of time, this edit will be reverted as well. | |||
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Note: I have heard these details mentioned, and don't doubt their validity. But in order to develop and maintain the credibility of this article and Misplaced Pages in general, all material must come from reliable sources and be verifiable. Thank you, ] 05:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/11/us/tulsa-race-massacre-report.html<br> | |||
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/01/10/tulsa-massacre-report/<br> | |||
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/10/tulsa-race-massacre-report-doj<br> | |||
https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/local-regional/2025-01-10/doj-credible-reports-that-law-enforcement-participated-in-murder-during-race-massacre<br> | |||
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5080213-tulsa-race-massacre-justice-report/ | |||
Official links to the Department of Justice report:<br> | |||
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-results-review-and-evaluation-tulsa-race-massacre<br> | |||
https://www.justice.gov/crt/case/ac-jackson | |||
The 123-page report (PDF document):<br> | |||
https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl | |||
Can this file be embedded and directly included for viewing to the side of the Misplaced Pages article text? ] (]) 16:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:I've added the report to '''Further reading'''. I don't know of a way to embed it and question whether that's even appropriate. ] ] 17:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Embedding it here would be inappropriate. But it could live at ? ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 18:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I recommend that the article note that the report released on January 10, 2025, was amended and improved, according to the January 17, 2025 memorandum approved by the Chief, Criminal Section, Civil Rights Division. https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl.] (]) 17:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC) |
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KKK and ABB
Three links which are of historical relevance are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/Tulsa_Benevolent_Association
https://en.wikipedia.org/African_Blood_Brotherhood
The first link confirms that the KKK chapter in Tulsa was only founded in January 1922, seven months after the Tulsa riot/massacre.
The second two links concern the largely forgotten activities of the militant African Blood Brotherhood and its presence in Tulsa in 1921.
Buck Franklin in his autobiography confirms the presence of political agitators in Greenwood although he does not expressly identify them as ABB activists. 89.243.78.236 (talk) 13:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
New 123-page DOJ report. Can this PDF be embedded and made accessible?
News articles:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/11/us/tulsa-race-massacre-report.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/01/10/tulsa-massacre-report/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/10/tulsa-race-massacre-report-doj
https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/local-regional/2025-01-10/doj-credible-reports-that-law-enforcement-participated-in-murder-during-race-massacre
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5080213-tulsa-race-massacre-justice-report/
Official links to the Department of Justice report:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-results-review-and-evaluation-tulsa-race-massacre
https://www.justice.gov/crt/case/ac-jackson
The 123-page report (PDF document):
https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl
Can this file be embedded and directly included for viewing to the side of the Misplaced Pages article text? 172.56.12.167 (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've added the report to Further reading. I don't know of a way to embed it and question whether that's even appropriate. Schazjmd (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Embedding it here would be inappropriate. But it could live at Wikisource? --jpgordon 18:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
I recommend that the article note that the report released on January 10, 2025, was amended and improved, according to the January 17, 2025 memorandum approved by the Chief, Criminal Section, Civil Rights Division. https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1383756/dl.Mahoopes (talk) 17:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
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