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| == Requested move at ] == | |||
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| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 00:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| Please be aware that this project will likely necessitate extreme vigilance to maintain ] standards. I applaud you effort, but advise extreme care and caution in your endeavor. Best of luck, and happy editing! ] 03:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ''']]''' 11:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ==original council proposal discussion for Foreign relations == | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ''']]''' 13:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| ; Description : This WikiProject will aim to focus on articles that not much people really focus on. This Project will have 3 different kinds of articles under its scope: foreign relations, diplomats, and international meetings. Examples include, but are not limited to: | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ;:Edits made to WP articles are ''heavily'' focused towards topics regarding the US, UK, and other major English-speaking countries here in the English WP. This project will focus on foreign relations between...let's say-] and ]. The project would attempt to create a centralized list of further branching list of all ambassadors from all countries. It would also attempt to create a detailed account of any international meetings, such as those listed above. | |||
| ;:I realize that most of this project's work would overlap into other WikiProjects. But an American Wikiproject can't possible form a ] without the assistance of the Australian Wikiproject! Therefore, I think that the Foreign relations WikiProject could also be a place where country-related Wikiprojects could meet together and discuss.--''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 15:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Idea about diplomat categorization == | |||
| ; Interested Wikipedians (please add your name) | |||
| # ] 15:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| #] 21:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I am about to post an idea about fiplomat categorization at Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject Categorization. People here may have thoughts as well.] (]) 16:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| : I like the idea. I wonder how it would relate to the proposed "Diplomatic Missions by Country" proposal higher on this page, though. ] 15:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *I like the broader scope of this Project, and believe it has more appeal than the abovementioned Diplomatic Missions by Country. In the long run, broader is better and stands a better chance of survival, given the inactive narrower projects. ] 21:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It is actually ] It will be on the talk page there.] (]) 16:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
| Now we can start those 40,000 articles on bilateral relations!--] 00:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 23:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I received an inquiry on my talk page, and yes, I'm quite serious about that figure, actually. With ], and each state actor having a significant relationship with every other one, we really should ideally have 40,000 (200 x 200) individual articles on bilateral relations. Anyone care to get started on ]?--] 04:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's not the figure I question, it's the tone and meaning of your statements. If you seek to mock, be clear. I am certain the creator of the project was using Samoa and Palau as illustrations, not literally. I would be very surprised, outside the G8, whether most smaller countries even have individual articles about relations with their own neighbors, unless there has been some conflict historically. If you have something constructive to say, be open. If you are just being ugly, that is unworthy of an admin. ] 04:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::So far as I can ascertain, those two countries do not maintain formal relations with each other. Why should we have an article for this and similar circumstances if they are inherently unmaintainable? Your suggestion is grossly overstated.--] | ] 04:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::What I meant by the statement I placed was to point out that we don't have the foreign policies of some small countries as detailed as we want them to be. I only meant to illustrate the lack of coverage among our political neighbors less covered by the media. However, this project is open to suggestions, and I would love to change the goals, scope, and guidelines if necessary.--''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 05:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :It appears there's been some misunderstanding of my statement. I think this is a great project, and hope to contribute to it in future. I was just pointing out that there's a lot of work ahead (FWIW, I do actually think that bilateral relations between any two UN members would be inherently notable, though obviously Andorra and Tuvalu would be a low priority). By the way, I actually didn't notice you'd mentioned Samoa and Palau in the above section; I wasn't responding to that section in any way.--] 05:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks for clearing that up! :) I'm glad that you think this project's great. And yes, of course there's plenty of work to be done...that's pretty much why I thought this project would be needed.--''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 05:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| At ] I posted some questions regarding the name and scope of Category:Consuls that people may want to comment on.] (]) 17:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == High priority articles == | |||
| == Two almost identical pages should be merged == | |||
| I thought I'd pick out some of the major missing articles, from different regions of the world. These ones should be relatively easy to research; perhaps we could collaborate: ], ], ], ], ].--] 05:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Good idea! One question: How do we distinguish between ''Argentina-Brazil relations'' and ''Brazil-Argentina relations''? Doesn't the order of the countries' names imply a superiority between them? And I also think that we can get the help from other WikiProjects too.--''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 05:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::I think that under normal circumstances, the first name represents the perspective of that country. For instance, American-Italian relations represents the way America views its relationships with Italy; whereas Italian-American relations, represents the Italian perspective. Altough here, you need one single article to cover both of those things. Well, good luck! Heh...--] 18:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yeah, I've given the naming thing a little thought too. The standard method would be just work alphabetically, and this makes sense to me. Such an approach, though, would be complicated by special forms like "Sino", "Indo", or "Anglo". We might want to consider a standard format that would avoid the adjectival forms (] instead of ]). It would be more awkward, but it would also be more consistent. This wouldn't be too different from the type of standard format we use for monarchs and nobility.--] 06:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::Where the adjectival forms exist, I feel we should use them. No need to shy away from common usage for the sake of a arbitrary standard.--] | ] 06:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well, we should have ''some sort of standard'', because otherwise these articles will be titled quite randomly, as a cursory survey of the categories would show. As I see it, there are three types of name-forms we could be using, noun (e.g. India), adjective (e.g. Indian) and special prefix (e.g. Indo), where special prefixes only exist for certain countries. The first question is, what is to be the basic form used (i.e. ] or ]? And then, if we assume countries with special prefixes always form the first part of the name, what do we do with double-prefixable countries — do we just go alphabetic (and alphabetic by country or by prefix?) or use the form that's more established? And what about prefixes that exist, but are a little rarely used, like "Russo"? It might be possible to work out these issues, but I hope you at least see the attraction of a simple standardized system.--] 07:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Most of these types of articles that involve major countries have already been created. I think it would be best if we invite the other WikiProjects with countries to participate in this discussion as well.--''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 16:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::I saw that you were asking about this on the Peruvian Wikiproject. I'd personally say that with regards to domestic Latin American relations there does not exist yet an article on Peruvian-Chilean relations. This is important because since the ] the two countries have been considered "enemies" by "nationalists" from both sides. It also goes into cultural aspects such as the ] debate over who has the right to claim it as the national drink. Luckily there already exists a decent article with regards to ], which is another important bilateral relationship in South America which came to mind when reading this.--] 19:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::You bring up a good point on that, too. Should we be creating articles on relations between all countries, whether they're hostile or peaceful?--''''']''''' <sup>]</sup> 19:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Just dropping in from ]. Thanks for the notification! | |||
| ::::::::I think standardisation in that matter is a good idea. As to naming, how about we use commonplace forms for the title, but use the alphabetical ranking of the ] for priority? E.g., "Sino-British" because CHN comes before GBR in the ISO list. | |||
| ::::::::As to Ed's question, well, that would be on the order of 200*200=40.000 articles, and probably more accounting for historical countries, regions, empires etc. As long as there's not much to say about a relationship, it may be better covered in the "Foreign relationships of ..." articles. ] 19:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::The name order should be alphabetical or whatever sounds more "right" like putting Sino before American... - ] 19:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::: Just popping in to say that I agree with Fedayee on the naming. (My apologies to Zimbabwe, who would never be in first position due to this policy.) Further, I think that discussing both perspectives (i.e., A to B, & B to A) in one place would lead to a better & more helpful article, unless the matter becomes too complex or long. -- ] 22:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| If there are any Polish-related relations articles, I (and many others at ]) would likely help. Personally a ] list is on my 'to translate from pl wiki' list, and ] is on 'to do' list...--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 04:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| These two articles are almost identical and should be merged. Retaining both is confusing ] (]) 23:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Project guidelines - comments == | |||
| :No, they are about different topics. The first article is about missions that foreign countries operate in Timor-Leste (mainly embassies in ]) and for diplomacy with Timor-Leste. The second article is about missions that the government of Timor-Leste operates in other countries. —] (] '''·''' ]) 23:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement! == | |||
| In ], editors are urged to add banners of projects that they think are relevant. I would propose that this project lets those other projects decide what's in scope for them and what isn't.<br />Also in the same section, for diplomats, editors are urged to place this project's banner first, the WPBiography, then the others that were there. There have been many incidents where project members have taken issue with their banner being put "below" others when their's was there first. I would think it best if the banners be placed in chronological order.<br />All in all, this has the promise of being a great project! --''']'''<sup>]</sup> 02:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Please could you explain what your reservations about my POV are? Also, could you please explain your accusation of bad faith? ] 06:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Gladly. For you to nominate for deletion a project less than a week old that members are joining at a decent rate, each asking what needs to be done and setting parameters and guidelines, and actively building, and for which you yourself have not contributed to any of the discussions, fairly drips with ]. ] 06:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Proposal about Ambassador categories == | |||
| Could WP:FOR clarify the standard naming order for the relations titles? | |||
| I made a proposal about Ambassador categories at ] talk page that people in this project may want to weigh in on.] (]) 14:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| For example, should ] be ] or ], etc... Also some nationalists might switch the order of the countries in the titles (i.e. Japan-Korea relations --> Korea-Japan relations). I think that WP:FOR will play a very important role in making standard procedures that would minimize inter-ethnic/national disputes. (] 22:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| :OK, I've gone over the feedback in the above section, and I think I've come up with a workable guideline using "colloquial" terms. We should use adjectival forms (] rather than ]), with the countries being ordered by the adjective with fewest syllables first (for common usage reasons), and tie-breakers being broken by the alphabetic order of their name in English noun form (American is filed under "U"), just because that's easiest to remember. In keeping with common English usage, we should also recognize a limited number of special prefixes, specifically "Anglo-", "Sino-", "Indo-", "Franco-" and "Russo-", which will always take the first place. If we are discussing two countries which use prefixes, the first item would be the one nearest the beginning in my previous sentence, as I've ordered that list (which took some research to perfect) with common usage in mind. I do not think that other, less common prefixes, like "Luso-", should be used. The thinking behind this proposal has primarily been to generate "common names" using a fairly simple and standardized rule, and I think it works at that.--] 23:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
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- It is actually Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Categories It will be on the talk page there.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Eurasian Economic Union
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Consuls
At Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Categories I posted some questions regarding the name and scope of Category:Consuls that people may want to comment on.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Two almost identical pages should be merged
List of diplomatic missions in Timor-Leste
List of diplomatic missions of Timor-Leste
These two articles are almost identical and should be merged. Retaining both is confusing Blue Moses (talk) 23:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, they are about different topics. The first article is about missions that foreign countries operate in Timor-Leste (mainly embassies in Dili) and for diplomacy with Timor-Leste. The second article is about missions that the government of Timor-Leste operates in other countries. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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Proposal about Ambassador categories
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